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Is butters the average kids face of a truly developed high consciousness human society, stage yellow and above?

Philosopher in the desert: I randomly stumbled across this picture which had the title „philosopher in the desert". I think it perfectly captures the nature of a philosopher in a humoristic style as someone who gets lost in wondering while simultaneously keeping his survival instincts at zero as you could easily slap 'dat ass. Which is why philosopher are so rare, you get easily caught up in survival and the ones who dont easily get exploited so they are hard-forced by the current as well.

"Moral truths" are made up Borderlands 2 is a world all of its own. People don't have traditional morals there, everyone is a "psychopath". Thats the paradigm there: the best people are the ones who are the most brutal and manipulative. Although the Borderlands 2 paradigm isnt suited for our society of course, its just a fantasy world, it's interesting that it is very easy how fast our (or at least my) mind(s) adapts to the new paradigm as it shows that moral truths aren't objective and rather something we adopt trough our environment.

Ken Wilber: "No One is intelligent enough to always be wrong." AI Arts artlessness without human steering. "Hold my beer!"

@Jordan Great will look into it.

I just watched this video with Healthy Gamer GG and what he had to say about meditation blew my mind. I thought I roughly new what it was about but his expertise and the clear way he articulated his wisdom showed me that there is probably still a lot to learn from meditation and so a lot more to get out of. I am missing comforting meditations so much actually. So my question, do you know where to find these professional meditation teacher which can show you one of the 112 meditation techniques which is tailored for you? 51:47 to 1:01:10

I hate that guy. 😂 Not sure how that's possible but I do. I am already a very calm person, so maybe that's that that it is antithetical to how love works with opposite attract each other and stuff.

True.

So this is a big obstacle for me right now. I job as a substitute teacher and probably my biggest weakness is that I am too nice. I am gullible when students mention a concern, I have problems putting students in their place, I have problems punishing wrong behavior (today I wanted to subtract a note from a student who cheated instead of giving him a bad note). At an existential level somehow I connected niceness with survival I am pretty sure. And I feel like I am in the process of unwrapping it but it feels scary as hell. I am just scared that in this process I am going to flood away the loving part as well. Like when you do a colonic irrigation you dont just flood away the bad bacteria but also the good. In general if some of you went through the same I would be very thankful for responses.

@Michael569 thanks that was a lot of good stuff. Unfortunately I only have each class 1 hour a week, there is no way a deeper connection can be formed. And as it is it's too loud to teach. I have tons of good ideas but I cant really teach them. It's really bad. I feel like a looser. I started with no experience so it's not all my fault. I never acted authoritarian in my whole life probably. But much has to do with my insecurities as well. As it is I probably need to ask for support. The second option that you mentioned sounds dreamy. Something too look up to.

Not enough lol

A meditation teacher isnt the same as a guru in my understanding (although they can be both) because a meditation teacher is simply one who has lots of knowledge and experience with how different minds function and therefore which meditation techniques are suitable for different people. Not very different from lets say an optician who studied the functionality of different eyes and therefore can make competent suggestions which glasses are suitable for the patient (for people with foresight or short-sightedness for example) - the field of a meditation teacher is just a bit more complex and mental of course.

But wouldn't you get a higher baseline state yourself if you did the practice? Even if you know fully well that this is far away from the highest states of consciousness. Thats what I dont understand.

Hate is limited Love. Stupidity is limited Intelligence. The first perspective is from a survival point of view, the second of a non survival (unbiased) point of view.

Not sure if I understand exactly what you said. It is the goal to get stuck in them. Or do you mean that you shouldn't get stuck in them in the sense that you shouldn't see them as the end goal? But when you say it still has value for everyday human existence, why do you not want to do it, you still have an everyday human existence for the most part I would guess. Or is it too much of a struggle for you to take it seriously because you have seen magnitudes above that? So is human spirituality the best that human can practically do or can it be reinvented? So you think they actually locked in the fantasy and not the higher state of consciousness? Well there are false promises everywhere. Magic weight loss, magic money making, etc. why would spiritual gurus be different especially when there are no objective ways to tell if they are right or not. So that makes sense I haven't seen that clearly.

With all your comments in this thread I have the impression that you have a very low opinion of these states of consciousness. It seems to me that you try to be the realistic counterweight and I appreciate that because it's easy to get soaked into these fantasies. But on the other hand I think you might discredit these states too much. While they might not be the highest and deepest states or all perfect states there is the possibility that they could give people a huge jump in life quality. In our society where so many of us suffer deeply/ are super depressed/ mental health crisis etc. it seems a bit negligent to discredit these states like that. Even if they reduced our everyday suffering by 50% that would be an insane improvement for society. You also dont really offer an (edit: spiritual) alternative. High awakenings are great but as you said they dont really help with everyday life that much. Just as a side point: I think with your spiritual journey you built a huge spiritual confidence/ ego, feeling invincible and superior to everybody and that ego got crushed when you had personal issues recently because it made you feel weak and small like everybody. Just want to point out the possible trap that your ego might have a backlash which shows itself in discrediting other teachings because they reveal weaknesses in your (edit: spiritual) teachings. (covering everyday life quality)

Creativity: Ordinary consciousness is not much creative because things happen in a way that are related to each other; meaning manifestation means less creativity, because it disconnects things which aren't that closely connected to each other. All of reality is absolute creativity because it combines things that are the least connected with each other.

A Dalton like idea: Two friends. One gets satisfaction in life by helping the other. The other gets satisfaction from life by helping his friend get satisfaction in life by acting like he is helping him.

Just saw some window color on a window yesterday and this insight came to mind. Reality was filled out with window color in that moment because I had the attention on that. It was so weird that this was a conscious state rather then whatever I contextualized it in before. How can everything be window color for a moment, how's that possible? Because reality is infinite and therefore every subset can be infinite? How's this infinite world ended? It's also so interesting to see how different reality can be. For people who see reality as a really stable thing it's hard for them to wrap their mind around that. For them they think reality is a certain way with few tweaks and varieties. Like eating a salad and sometimes it has tuna, sometimes eggs and sometimes kidney beans in there but it always hits common ground. Well no you can experience color window consciousness and dragon scream consciousness and plush consciousness and shrill consciousness and cold consciousness and romantic consciousness. They are so different. It's funny when people think that their bubble of thinking is the entire world. Like how ignorant can you be to think that your little perspective is what reality is.

I would like to create content that raises societies level of insights, love and consciousness. For that you have to make your understanding very clear and accessible. I thought about art. Mangas and films might be great for that as well. But exaggerated illustrations are great as well. It's very hard to create something like this I would imagine because your understanding needs to be actual and very clear.

It's nowhere near the problem of the past of course but still a big thing I imagine. Even in more developed 1st world countries like Germany where I live it's still a problem.

Imagine getting "rädert": So somehow I just bumped into an ancient dark part of history "Rädern". It was an extremely horrible act of execution. The victim got all of his bones of his limbs broken by letting an iron wheel fall onto it. After that either the injured victim got plaited into the wheel (which worked because of the broken bones) to die a slow and painful death because of the wounds or the victim got choked to death or guillotined. I am usually not a person who can graze from these inventions of violence. But somehow this stayed with me. The thought of getting my limbs broken, being in horrible pain that I probably couldn't even breath, being completely defenseless because I cant even move a thing anymore and then getting choked to death. What I find fascinating about that sort of torture is the consciousness state of intense letting go, of intense giving up. There is absolutely no way to escape. Imagine that your fighting spirit is so totally fucked up that you smile with your last bit of ear in your lunges. Somehow this touches me. (Although I do see the craziness of it. I am watching out for my mental health, maybe I am deluding myself lol.)

The opportunity of asking god a question: Alan Watts talks about a thought experiment in which you could talk to god and ask him any question you want to ask. He says that it is difficult for us to find a question which is worth asking god. What we would ask is rather a questioning of "Oh WOW is this for real?". (Side point: This might be the place in which we can ask ourselves what the limits of our language are because god could give us all the answers, the only limit is our language in which we ask him.) But on the other hand every question you would ask god would be all the answers at once. Because every part of the universe is connected to everything else. Kant wanted to do a science a priori. Which means a science which entirely built on facts before empirical reasoning (because that could be flawed). Math is one of these sciences. Kant searched for more a priori things though because he reasoned that when he found a few a priori truths about reality he could make a bigger picture out of that which could be unshakably true (like math). He wasnt really that successful with finding a priori truths though. But now if we could have a real 100% true fact about empirical reality then from this point (theoretically) you could conclude all other facts about reality. If you get an almost 100% truth about reality (some delusion is probably always there) you could still expand from that point quite widely.

Why would they cut it? No deeper reason for it.