Zen LaCroix

Something that the dating coaches don't talk much about is trauma. Trauma is will drag you down when trying to meet women and makes it way harder. Still approach but also you wan to be releasing trauma. Ask chatgpt to give you a somatic experiencing exercise based on Peter Levine's work

30 girls a week is not high volume. You can say it's a starting point for a new guy to learn something. Approaching opens up possibilites so anything can happen. Newbies get rejected right on the approach like 90% percent of the time or more. He's gonna do 5 approaches in a day and they're mostly gonna be like 5 - 10 seconds long anyway. Girls reject you right away generally when you approach nervous, with a weak voice etc. Trust me I know from experience. Then there's all the other newbie mistakes he might make.

You're projecting onto me. You don't know what I want. I don't know what you mean by full conquest. A lot of you guys have such an aversion to learning cold approach and that's fine. But don't act like it's not coming from a place of fear. The original poster is a newbie who stuck in his logical brain and has poor social skills based on what he telling us. He can start of light and work his way up to 30 a week. But if he wants to get even decent he's gonna have to approach way more than that Approaching a lot gets you in the zone and forces you to notice patterns. Also you just get a lot more social experience approaching more. That gives more opportunites to meet girls where there's attraction both ways along with good logistics.

You don't realize that 30 women in a week is actually low volume. That's 5 women a day for a week or 10 a day if you're going out 3 days a week

Game can be a great avenue for spiritual growth. Depending on your level of consciousness. Granted that you are doing it sober It forces you to get out of apathy up to a higher level of consciousness You may have to deal with emotions you don't like and learn the art of detachment and letting go. Which is very spiritual. You must learn to control your own emotions which will make you grounded and give you some inner peace. You will face lots of rejection and that can make you bitter or you can use that as an opportunity to strengthen your resolve. To let go more and more and self generate good emotions from within.

You guys are saying pick up but most guys I know call it Game. Owen Cook has even at times called it Frame since that's essentially the most important aspect of it all. Getting the girl to fall into your frame

Don't you personally become extroverted once you get in state?

Some of these guys are so dillusional they seem to believe that most women are on onlyfans

Tell us more about your philosophy

Leo you're continuously suprised by how underdeveloped your audience is

What do you mean by embracing the feminine? What is the feminine to you?

After dating you is he still a virgin?

The Lord of the Rings movies were in post production for 5 years

I asked ChatGPT as well. I didn't mention any specific stages in my prompt. It gave a short snippet on each stage and at the end it said: ✅ Most Dysfunctional Stage: Red — because it’s driven by raw ego, dominance, control, and emotional volatility with little empathy or self-awareness.

Yea those are some negative effects that can be worked through. You're really not supposed to be value scanning. When it comes it comes to devaluing individual interactions it can give you that I don't give a fuck type of vibe and help your charisma come through when you don't really care about an interaction. In most interactions when a man approaches a woman on the approach the man cares more than the woman if the interaction goes well or not. It can can display great value and be very attractive when the man carries that nonchalance The best guy I knew at game who could pull multiple times in a day from day and night game went around trolling the girls he approached and they loved it. It was a sight to see. He would approach and the girls would try to instantly reject right on the walk up and he would just troll them and it was like a switch just flipped in their brain and they would become interested in a least who he was.

The speakers included Owen Cook, Marczell Klein, Sid Samtaney, Zac and Damon Day 1 Limiting beliefs come down to you not believing you can Everything you do should come from what you want Biggest limiting belief is that it takes a long time If you change your mindset you change your life quickly Anyone who has success in anything isn’t doing from a difficult paradigm Beliefs and Desires conflict and create inner conflict Stop thinking it’s hard When you look a tour life that’s what you optimized for If you wanna improve your life optimize for want you want Guy with delusional confidence wins Invisible mental barrier, limiting beliefs create an internal war inside Best skill is to liberate yourself from limiting beliefs Charisma, Internal self-belief and going after it Best skill - skill to control my own thoughts and feelings Confidence We living in a confidence hierarchy. Whoever has the most confidence is the alpha Marczell went out and approached lots of girls and got addicted to feeling confident His intention wasn’t to get with a girl it was to become more confident At 15 he could approach and girl in any situation If your goal is sex and you don’t get it. Confidence goes down (When going out its best to not make the goal sex make it something else) When you’re confident your brain just picks up the skill with no limitation His goal was to get over his fear of rejection Simplify things to understand them and so you can actually use the information You can be hypnotized to be confident (Mentalism) You want to program your mind so that there’s no conflict within. You are fully aligned with your goal Change doesn’t mean time ti just means change Owen, Marczell & Sud Owen is extremely intense. The most intense person I’ve ever met in my life. He has fire and aggression in him Being proactive not reactive Be at the cause not the effect Owen looks rich. The jewelry glistens. The glasses the shirt look high quality If you want permanent change you must change at the identity level and you can’t remember what it was like Flow state connect conscious and subconscious A man with strength of mind is very attractive Few celebrities have confidence. They’re also scared to approach women You gotta be swinging you gotta be taking risks Very few people aware in the mindset of taking action past their comfort zone The passive meek attitude accumulates Being a good hunter means you’re willing to take risks Be willing to fail See lanes, see opportunity Abundance is required internally to be successful Jealously comes from you believing you ant get what someone else has Everything you do when you have money is for you to have you money There’s a promotion oriented brain and a prevention oriented brain Rain the stakes Run into the burning building (metaphorically) Once I commit to doing it I will figure out the solution You have to win you have no choice Everything intentional the way he moves his hands, dresses etc Easiest way to change your life is through hypnosis Create a second personality Sid Samtaney - Extreme intensity even more so than Owen sometimes like woah Breaking tension hurts your perceived status The ability to hold tension is an indicator light Breaking tension shows sometimes is messed up with you and a lack of self-belief Boldness Need to know you can take up space and nothing happens and you get proof not promises Confidence is a reflection of you self-belief The self belief has to be pure. Your foot can’t be on the gas and the break at the same time You’re in a freakish amount of momentum Everything and the kitchen sink must be throw at it Flow state makes work more fun and effective Jobs are bullshit and they exhaust you When you are at the job you are at the mercy of a boss Getting rich Absolute value for time Time + focus + momentum It’s a war for time, focus and momentum Everything is out there to deplete you. You gotta fight and guard your time When people gossip tune out Once you’re rich its easy to get richer since you’re in the right circles Spiritual ascension You’re at the cause not the affect Everything is easier Vibrations are contagious Need to find something you can start getting money in and do it after your job Permanent work is idiotic Build the principle Live off what it pays you Get 100% of your time back If you have a job you will rot away in a nursing home You know you have a good relationship because its not hard A vibe of valuing your time A vibe of being at the cause not the effect The key is confidence and you need nothing from anybody else People pleasing is taking If you’re giving there and inconcious belief you will receive Crack in the Dam Time efficient Potent Energy Virility Get back time, focus and momentum Being an emotionally regulated source of grounding energy Problems Gatekeepers, to much money to start Miasma Container events Build a big network Charisma Social Skills Personal Branding The skills you get from going out meeting girls helps you get millions Day 2 Higher Purpose Day to Day Motivations Lower Purpose (Pain) What is the cost of not doing this stuff? You don’t need motivation, motivation is fleeting This is all psychological Motivation is an entry level paradigm You need to have clarity on your vision Compile your notes into action steps Buy into your own vision We value what we invest into Fear is an entry level paradigm 0 - 1 is the hardest step. The first step is the hardest step Need to be ruthlessly consistent “I’d rather die than have a job” I am going to be this and the alternatives death Speaking loud is an exertion of your nervous system similar to a boxer knocking someone out a sprinter sprinting Your nervous system should fire Acceptance of pressure Handle adrenaline You’re going into the abyss If you’re not continually going into the unknown. You’re going too slow Train the mind and the body to handle adrenaline Are you gonna die doing this? Act first then course correct later Mind can loop on downsides when afraid Fear is really excitement If you want freedom you will have to take it It’s the bold people who make the real/impact The ultimate high comes from not dying after going outside the comfort zone Your mindset is just a strategy to get things in life Mindset Beliefs Emotions Patterns Your beliefs are just a strategy to either not die or get what you want What minute gets me to be rich and have an amazing dating life Change happens now Confidence is a belief that you will get what you want You know that you’re changed because you’re all in You actions say where you are Weight loss Eat carbs 30 -60 mins after 3x a week lifting 4 days not working out no carbs What do I want? What are you doing wrong that’s not getting you the result? You’re always in a trance. Find out what trance you’re in When you try it implies you can’t do it Have a goal and figure it out You have to have the obsession acquire servant syndrome What do they want? What are they scared of? Focusing on rejection is low caliber thinking People who take extreme ownership of their situation get ahead Subversive Elites - Psychopaths Masses - On autopilot, numb Regular people - connected to God Flywheel - when it speeds up it lives off the power of its own momentum If you don’t have access to a flow state you’re a puppet EVERYTHING FROM A YOUNG AGE IS DESIGNED TO GET YOU TO LISTEN TO AUTHORITY Conscious non-resistance Find something so profound to you it’d make you cry Learn the ancillary skills The skills that bring your vision to life Public speaking Leadership Marketing Social Skills Study click-bait and thumbnails You gotta learn how to have kids so you gotta learn dating The worst thing that can happen to you is staying the same and getting what you want Pick Up A process of personal alchemy and dedication The best gift that women give to men is rejection As a man you have to have a penetrative energy MASTER HIERARCHY Allows ugly, short meant to have the sex life of a god To the girls be more Hilarious Comfortable with yourself In states Leader Having it down to where its like getting a sandwich out the fridge Be out of your head. Alpha makes are out of their head When you have the transformation life gets so fun. His life is just so fun everywhere he goes Marczell’s vibe is an I don’t give a fuck vibe You want be very spiritual and also be like a psychopathic narcissist Day 3 It’s always better to be in the moment when approaching a girl The moment you want to retreat like a turtle in its shell go and do the action Anytime you’re under pressure relax Anytime you’re in your control muscle over release something will be off Be in your release muscle Foot on the gas not the brakes THE GIRLS WANT A GUY WHO’S NOT IN THE BOX OF SOCIETAL CONDITIONING Over time of getting in a flow state often your baseline state increases Push yourself but hot to the point where you’re incongruent Ramp up your state Don’t use crutches Slow is smooth and smooth is fast Practice moving and speaking like molasses People move towards value, strength and status ALWAYS CONTROL THE FRAME In ever mammalian species the top 1% of males mate with 80% of the women Get it in your head that for the rest of your lie you will be aware of how you’re coming across Avoid being meek Speak life a juicy buffalo wing Be positive dominant You need to have a core of strength Fully own yours even if you are stifled The leader is strong. Weak person cannot be trusted by particularly women You’re gonna have people try to shame you and put you back in your box when you are transforming Everyone has to face their demons it may not be comfortable What is your version of hiding? Me- Being quiet, smiling sometimes Don’t put on a character. No mask The mask comes on when we are uncomfortable being ourself There’s has to be something in you that want to conquer that wants to win A part of you that is not tame , not giving a fuck Trying for rapport tonality brings out aggression in others Speak in breaking rapport Voice should inflate downward Stop looking at good looking men as your role model Look at short unattractive men who get a lot of girls as role models Vitality Fearless Hilarious Owen’s last girlfriend at 45 was 20 years old Be honest that a good looking 6’5” guy and a short guy are gonna have to go about dating very differently Go on a rampage Clarity- You need to explain business model very clearly and explain cash flow Explain the psychology behind the whole ting You need to be able to communicate with full self-belief What’s your motivation? Why are you in this? Time cost. Energy cost. Everything in life has a price Need a sense of urgency that it has to happen now Unless you light a fire under your ass it aint gonna happen We have extreme normalcy bias Owen and Sid constantly feel like they’re moving too slow You have to get unstuck. Unfuck yourself You are always in your own way self-sabotaging All change happens when you step out of your current identity If you’re not caught in you will stay stuck You must have self-belief Create a very unique lifestyle. You can do so an an entrepreneur Your presence should say I am a guy that fucks. I’m a guy that gets p*ssy You need to get horny for the girl. Extremely important Look at her and figure out something that will get you horny about her Gotta believe you’re game is good All stress is self-induced Status is in your mind Believe you are higher status than others Need to have a healthy level of narcissism and believe you are better than others to get what you want If you focus on the future what you wanna become you can become that Protect your focus like your life depends on it RAS should focus on the good Learn from your failures but only replay the wins in your head Let go of the story you tell yourself about your life (Owen eating rice crispy treats) Approach anxiety comes from you being one person in your life and another when you approach the girls Owen going out 4 -5 hours a day everyday Don’t be a coward Who you are in between sets and when you aren’t approaching is really important. Can’t be putting on a character when you approach Make no mistake tis is a course that teaches ugly short men who to get beautiful women Bathe in the tension Owen and Sid use aggressive body language that physically riles them up and adds to their intensit Be able to generate different facial expressions and emotions at will Make love to every word you say

How does it make you crazy? I'm curious.

You don't have to be sold on the girl to go on a date with her. Many women go on dates with guys who they're unsure about. Men do it too. If you didn't find her attractive at all then that's a different story. Either way you should go. There is nothing wrong with doing this.

I thought guys just did this naturally. I know that I do.

Pick up can be spiritual. It will strip you of many of your mental weaknesses. You have to face what is probably your biggest fear public speaking/ public humiliation. And you will feel that. You have to take rejection and not learn to become indifferent. You develop control over your emotions and over yourself. Everytime you approach when you don't want to you develop more control over yourself.

I went on a Derek Moneyberg bootcamp for $2500. Before you signed up it said on the website there would be 3 to 1 instructor to student ratio. It was made to seem like there would only be 3 students and then Derek. After I paid for it I got my confirmation emails and it was clear that there would be more than 3 students. There were 11 students and we met in a private room in a steakhouse. Derek had a few assistants so the ratio was 3-1 in the end There were cultish vibes. He came in late and starting talking us. We spoke back and forth about what we wanted. We didn' t leave the steakhouse until about 1:00 am. the bootcamp officially ended at 1:30 am and we hadn't even hit the club yet. I remember being in the club and I was nervous to do an approach so I went up to one of his assistant instructors who was a bit dismissive. I remember him letting me know the bootcamp ends at 1:30 am. I was like what? we just got here! The whole point of me signing up for their bootcamp was because I thought they would push me to approach but they weren't helping guys in the club. The term bootcamp is just a marketing term On the second night Derek was sitting at a table with his girlfriend and all his assistants. The guys who paid for the bootcamps for standing around. I got an assistant to help me approach but that night I only did 2 approaches. Derek clearly looks down on his clientele and his assistants who try to be just like him act the same way. I remember asking a question and them looking at me like I was stupid when answering. I'm my head I was like wtf I did pay for this bootcamp. He kept going off on liberals and talking about his political leanings of being fiscally conservative and socially liberal. He had a lot anger in him it seemed. I learned a valuable lesson though. I realized noone can actually teach you game form the most part. Game is learned by taking action. You use the resources and surround yourself with guys who have good game to pick up their vibe and learn about game. However, to actually learn it meaning to have to have the behavior change you have to do it. For example you can go out with a guy who's game is great and see for yourself the importance of being unreactive. However, if you haven't trained yourself and your are a reactive person you will not be able to just be emotionally unreactive. You become that way through actions.

Why will they regret it? Also many women regret dating a guy years later after they've evolved and changed looking back in hindsight.

When you are at the free tour he sells his bootcamps directly to you. I'm not familiar with sales tactics but its pretty clear hes sells by psychologically dominating the people in the audience. He offers the bootcamp at the end of his talk and tells the people to go in the hall if they're interested in. There he gets the first batch of people who are super interested. Then he starts talking about the bootcamp and tells people if they just wanna hear about go in the hall. With the span of 2 - 3 minutes he becomes more and more intense and aggressive while not being pushy at all. He does not hide the fact that he selling he straight up tells you he's selling to you and even says come out and hear the pitch. You almost feel you have to do it. He sets the frame of stern father telling his kids what to do. When you go in the hall there's like 30 guys there and Owen pitching the bootcamp SPEAKING IN THE MOST INTENSE AND AGGRESSIVE FASHION YOU'VE EVER SEEN A HUMAN BEING SPEAK IN! It's probably very intimidating for some guys. He's completely psychologically dominating most of the guys there. And you've probably never in your life ever seen a human being speak with as much conviction and intensity as he does when selling bootcamps. It's EXTREME!

He claims to lose a lot of money doing free tours. He used some business acronyms to describe how. I'm not sure if he meant actual money lost or the potential of more money being made that is lost from doing free tours. I couldn't wrap my head around it because he's been booking cheaper and cheaper hotels to do these events and he fills his bootcamps up along with other sales but anyway I digress. Maybe it was some business stuff that just went over my head

How did you meet this girl?