Holymoly

is this possible?

5g was too much for me in the dark maybe if I didn’t lemon tech it

Ah yes very true

I would like to know what people on this forum would say about this. It’s from a popular instagram account: mo.magnon.

I imagine too high of doses could be like traumatising the protector to get to the trauma, so in order to heal one part of yourself you had to traumatise another part yourself.

Yep i would say the same thing, Come up anxiety is really good at getting your ego in check and all you want to do is lay down and calm down by doing your best to feel the feelings . Your mind will give you all kinds of ideas as to why you cant just sit with it, this is often just your brain seeking a dopamine hit because thats what has been wired to do when our trauma is about to come up. U cannot do anything to make yourself feel better, when you do this your brain will be able to make the connections that will allow it to open the flood gates and let the traumas out. This 100% will happen sooner or later psychedelics when guided by the somatic experience of the body allow the brain to unload/ unlearn. i used to have really hard time with LSD because i avoid the come up anxiety some how, this is the fun part haha its like a roller coaster or somthing like that and your higher self loves this shit.

Im in regional australia and a few months ago I saw what looked a little bit like a meteor coming into the atmosphere except it made turns on a dime like a zig zag and it was going fucking fast heading south, defiantly looked like something was controlling it making turns and shit was weird as haha

@Leo Gura or a good therapist to help him gain awareness around his schizoid tendencies, would try that before medication

Is it possible that the more breakups you have the less effected you are ?

Probably don’t have to worry about it but vitamin c and vitamin e help to protect the body from smoke

I’m abit torn on my view of psychedelics, I have been using lsd for the past couple of months and it’s hard to say how I feel about it definitively. I had my first experience with lsd when I was about 18 at a rave and it was quite horrific, when I was coming up I started to understand things on what seemed like a profound level like never before but I was surrounded by people who were not inclined like I was and who hadn’t done psychedelics so when explaining what was happening to me they couldn’t hold the space and I ended up spiraling off by myself for the rest of the night caught in loops that were insane I’ve never tripped that hard since i don’t think hahah I did quite allot. The next day I felt very refreshed though. I had a sense during this trip that I need to find an elder or go to therapy or something witch I ended up doing a few years later. I told my therapist about this experience and she told me that she thinks it wasn’t very good for me to witch I had a strong emotional reaction in the form of crying. I was questioning her about the efficacy of using psychedelics and she said well actually no indigenous or traditional culture used psychedelics meaning hunter gatherers and they can actually make your baggage worse. I think the point she was making was that agricultural society’s used them and these society’s lacked the wisdom of the hunter gathers. so if you were to draw upon the wisdom of the hunter gather to improve your life, you wouldn’t go down the psychedelic path, Idk? I felt like it was getting a little argumentative if I’m being honest on her part I was just curious what her thoughts were but it seems she may have a chip on her shoulder about psychedelics. Could be for good reason tbh especially when a 21 year old is asking u about them who doesn’t have his shit together She also had me work with a male counsellor she was training who is the same age as me 22 at the time or something. His position I think was that its not the best way especially without a shaman and after doing a trip by myself he said it was a step backwards. As far a I know he had only done lsd once but I still respected him and her because I felt they had the ability to get things done in life that I didn’t, I’m a musician and so was my male counsellor except I struggle from creative blocks and he doesn’t, he also said the best way to clear baggage etc is to move towards what you want and when the blocks come up you work through it ideally with a guide rather then taking a psychedelic and having them come up. I think that is the wisdom of the hunter gatherer thing like if you take a psychedelic who knows will come up but if you work towards what you want the blocks that come up are going to be the relevant things that you should work on to get what you want. not some random trauma from when you’re a kid witch might be be putting the cart before the horse in a sense, I.e why are you doing healing in the first place? It can get kind of messy this was all a few years ago I’m now 26 and have still not had much success with certain blocks. I’m certainly more grounded thoe. But I’m not even sure of that, having them tell me point blank all these negatives about doing psychedelics for healing but also having this extreme curiosity about them and feeling like I want to do them has me thinking quite allot especially during my trips weather what I’m doing is healthy or not it really trips me out. recently my trips have had my body in full spasms realising heaps of shit but then also feeling like is that even good and I just avoiding doing the real work. Or am I just at a point where I’m kind of at a dead end and just want to go for it with them because I really feel they have insane potential and I’m not privileged enough to have the most expensive therapy every week and at the end of the day are they really ever going to encourage me to do them since it could potentially harm their reputation if it goes wrong ? If I’m being fully honest I really want to do them I love all the stuff Leo talks about and I feel like I’m naturally good with philosophy and stuff and always have been and I just feel like I can’t fully trust there opinion Because they have a vested interest and it’s my life on the fucking line here so I’m willling to take the risk but they simply cannot because it would be unprofessional. Thoughts?

Can I ask is that your intention enlightenment?

What the best dose for such a purpose? Is 200ug going to take you beyond practical purposes? My main goal is to figure out how to get laid but if I can heal some deeper stuff I won’t be complaining

@Razard86 About taking them at a rave let me be a bit more clear. Im quite aware of the danger of doing them at a rave ive been through it myself and know it can mess you up, i'm aware these things are extremely unpredictable and its the most heart breaking thing when you have some thing come up that you REAAALY wish you had taken more care and done it in a better setting, this danger is so much so that i think that for the majority of people this is a bad idea, but i idk i think its possible that some people know themselves and the substance well enough to do this. Perhaps your right they shouldnt ever be taken at a rave i personally at this stage of my life would not do that. Dance therapy is somthing the people do at raves and imagine it could be healing in certain circumstances and i try no to hold such dogma on things i dont know about. some raves have those chill out tents and stuff allot of the time people really want to fucking dance when on these things and im not so sure thats a terrible thing if you have good friends who know you well and you can trust to help you through such things. Again i wouldnt do this myself im just saying i can see it being possible that some people could. what im saying is that for some people a single dose of lsd isnt really going to effect them much and danger can be minimised especially if its combined with mdma. I think it could be fear mongering though saying they should only ever be done in a therapists office or with a shaman, i think this is for healing and once your done healing you will likely not want to go to some random rave with a bunch of people you dont know and trip it just wouldnt be right. im just trying to see both sides of the coin here some people i respect greatly are very firm on the idea that they should never be used recreationally gabor mate being one of them Im certain jordan peterson would think its totally ludicrous haha, both very mature people who i would LOVE to do psychedelics with them as my sitter, but these people arent perfect and according to terrence mckenna this is what people did in a way when first encountering psychedlics if we see the psychedelic as the thing doing the healing we run the risk of losing what healing is witch is very possible for example gabor mate though he was a healer but when going to the amazon the shaman there saw that he was carrying a shit tone of of baggage he absorbed from people he was 'healing'. im at a point where i just want to heal and learn ways of getting my needs met and understanding myself better, but if im so immature why have they been helping me? my recent trips have been very healing and eye opening, but i know this stuff is very tricky and i could be deluding myself about that imagine wanting to jump and dance and celibrate life but then being in a therapist office and being like oh yeah thats right i need to HEAL because im SICK idk you would really want a very very good therapist but i also think ultimately people know how to heal themselves best not therapist. and if people have a strong natural desire to dance isnt that kind of the point of life? Again im not an expert and perhaps im too optimistic and humanity isnt ready and we all need to do it with therapist for a few hundred years before some thing like a rave is a safe space for this experience. idk i dont go to raves since that experience but i know people there were doing it and who am i ultimately to decide what they should do

@Razard86 I wasnt judging

@Jodistrict Interesting!

@Israfil why do you say that?

Feeling abit of judgment on your part here, this was 8 years ago and I obviously had no idea what I was doing. I’ve read a couple books since then haha. I didn’t have to go to a therapist what I said was I felt like I needed to find an elder and is that really a crazy thing? LSD helped me to realise that I had very few connections to any true elders. Ram dass took lsd and it led him to his teacher/guru how is it different for me? I learnt a fuck load in therapy. also I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong about using psychedelics for fun at a rave or something but just not for inexperienced people who haven’t done any healing yet

Even things as simple as put your phone on do not disturb you will likely be contemplating and doing serious work and having something distract you like that can be realllly frustrating

its a good question though and you might feel weird like what am i supposed to be doing rn. Im curious how much you have tripped with a long lasting psych like lsd it was defiantly a learning process for me. you want to minimise shitty activities like looking for your shoes

III find that you want to not get too busy racing around doing things keep it simple avoid things that will require allot of doing things haha. plan shit out. if you want to go for a walk during your trip make sure you know where your shoes are before you start tripping haha etc. i find i really like to just lay in bed during the first few hours of lsd. once the big break throughs are over i like to play some musical instruments or watever dont worry about it too much the main thing is just being calm and safe. you can plan out your trip with a few activies like that the main thing is you will be tripping and thats the main thing you are "doing"

@Hojo not in therapy this was like 3 years ago

@Hojo also the idea that hunter gathers didn’t know how to harvest as far as I know isn’t solid I know that aboriginal Australians were both hunter gathers and farmers this is a fact. Their main way of getting to alters states was through art music and dance this is also not certain because they likely kept allot of secrets from the early settlers that was lost when they basically all died and Maybe they were wise enough to see that they don’t need to farm it would be a waste of energy the earth does a much better job then they ever could a providing. That being said they did actually farm so idk haha

@Hojo not a psychiatrist a psychotherapist, isn’t it possible to go to a therapist not because you have serious mental problems but because you recognise that some people are a step ahead of you and they can help you on your journey?

If all that exists are states of consciousnesses how can self-realisation or truth realisation not be a state of consciousness