Wildcattt555

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  1. 6 hours ago, zurew said:

    Yes, I am sorry, but "he said this and I agree with him" won't be enough for me to prove the claims that your buddy made who isn't even a doctor lmao.

    Noone said that every death is coincidental, but you made a positive claim "thats its because of the vaxx" and you literally didn't provide anything to prove it. I know this is again something new for you, but when you make a positive claim, the onus is on you to prove that point.

    Stop for a little bit and think for one second in your life:

    • 69.1% of the global population has received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. Don't you think that if these vaccines are so fucking bad, you would have seen actually tens if not hundreds of millions of the vaccinated dropping dead or at the very least tens of millions of the vaccinated people flooding the hospitals with serious side effects? 
    • You also have an unsurprisingly big misunderstanding about the long term side effects when it comes to any vaccination. Do you seriously believe (of course you do,because you haven't done any serious research, and because you have no idea how any of these processes work) a vaccination let alone an mrna vaccination can lurk in a body not causing anything for 1-2-3 years and then suddenly it can cause serious side effects? I know this is another suprise for you:
    • Do you seriously believe, that if for example western covid19 vaccines would have had or has serious side effects neither Russia nor China nor any other company or country would have reported on it, knowing the fact that some of these are enemies and can get and could have got massive financial and political gains doing so?
    • How do you explain all the stats that prove that vaccinated people are less likely to die from cov19, less likely to end up in a hospital from cov19 and these stats are all confirmed from all over the world.

    Seriously I need to be a teacher for you without charging you for my time? I already gave you lessons for free, but you still have a lot to learn. Just because its possible that vaccines can kill people that doesn't mean that alone proves the point of (a few hundred thousand people died because of the vaxx). There are countless studies that shows how unlikely it is to die from the vaccine.

    You conveniently never talk about covid19 itself just only about the vaccines, if you would take your time for once, and if you would want to make an honest and serious comparison between the two,then your would realise,that vaccination is better by far in a lot of relevant regards: lower transmission rate, less likely to get serious side effects, less death rate, much lower chance to end up in a hospital because of it.

    i asked u a simple question about why it is so improbable:

    and you said 

    69.1% of the global population has received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. Don't you think that if these vaccines are so fucking bad, you would have seen actually tens if not hundreds of millions of the vaccinated dropping dead or at the very least tens of millions of the vaccinated people flooding the hospitals with serious side effects? 

    IF THE VACCINE IS BAD IT MUST BE EXTREMELY BAD AND THAT MUST BE OBVIOUS BY NOW

    wow idiot... nice one  

    (people are dying at much higher rates btw retard )

    "You also have an unsurprisingly big misunderstanding about the long term side effects when it comes to any vaccination. Do you seriously believe (of course you do,because you haven't done any serious research, and because you have no idea how any of these processes work) a vaccination let alone an mrna vaccination can lurk in a body not causing anything for 1-2-3 years and then suddenly it can cause serious side effects? I know this is another suprise for you"

    HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU SERIOUS.YES, WHAT EXTENSIVE STUDIES HAVE U SEEN ON THE LONG TERM EFFECTS OF MRNA  VACCINES, AND U KNOW FOR CERTAIN THEY CORRELATE TO COVID? 

    YOU GAVE ME NOTHING RELEVANT TO ANSWER THE ONE THING I ASKED

    two inapplicable logically flaweed arguments 

     

    terrible arguments, poor writer, flawed thinker, no reasoning ability... thats why i say you are stupid.... you call me stupid because thats all you can do... you cant supply any good arguments. when u try you look fucking pathetic .   

    YOU LACK THE INTELLIGENCE TO UNDERSTAND EVEN YOUR OWN LIMITATIONS

    you are an actual stupid person,

    examine your own arguments, seriously

     

     


  2. 7 hours ago, zurew said:

    Yeah Im totally scared from people making shit up without backing up their claims with anything. It seems that you don't really see how stupid you sound when you think that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" is a good argument.

    Your conspiracy guy made up a lot of claims and he pulled all of those claims out his arse, because he can't really show evidence for any of it, but it seems for guys like you thats all enough. He could say anything stupid without showing and evidence,and you would go with it, just because its antimainstream, but yeah totally you are the smart rigorous guy here who care about and who can handle the truth ?.

    Its really funny,that you try to sound smart talking about statistics and logic in your other posts, when your logic is "someone who I agree with said it, therefore its true" and that tells everything about you , how stupid and bad your epistemic process is and how incapable you are to change your position on anything.

    Even if your claim would turn out to be true, I would still say that you are stupid, because the only thing that matters in this case, is how rigorous the epistemic process is that you using to arrive at your consclusions. I know this is a new thing for you, but there is a massive difference between probable vs possible, and you think that those two are totally the same.

    I thought you would say some stupid thing like that and you don't even pretend anymore that you try to be objective. So your process is this: making up claims from nothing, then trying to cherrypick data and evidence for it, got ya.

    u took the evidence of absence quote out of context. even after i explained it lol.. not going to re-explain it you can go back and try again.   

     

    "the only thing that matters is  how rigorous the epistemic process im using to arrive at my conclusions?" are you serious? the only thing that matters is if the vaccine is causing these cardiac arrests and sudden deaths. i listen to the opinion of doctors, all i did was point out a reasoning error that you still dont understand.  

    many physicians are risking their careers and publishing studies exploring the link between the vax and health issues...  its not my fault if you dont do any research or listen to the evolving opinions of medical professionals.  

    "safe and effective," i get it. thats your little mantra that comforts you and wont abandon it for any reason. every death is  coincidental.  for you the vaccine can do no harm.  i am extremely stupid. you are right, and you take this fact as further support that the vax is 100% safe and effective. which although no doctor claims we can know definitively right now , given unknown long term side effects,  you cling to this  faith like a zealot. 

    what"  epistemic " reasoning are you using that makes you so sure it is extremely improbable that serious side effects are arising from the vax?? thats not a rhetorical question, if yourre so smart and im so dumb explain it... it's the terror that you could be wrong /so you dont entertain the possibility.. if not, prove me wrong.  

       every time you call me stupid you reveal your fear.. i feel bad for you.   i can be stupid and you can still be wrong..  but i dont like false humility... obviously i am not stupid, and i do not think you are particularly smart. id say you have a very emotional mind and a pedestrian intellect ..you are tough to distinguish from most people here:) 

    address the one thing i asked you to...tell me why it is so improbable and prove my stupidity for not understanding the difference between possible and probable lol ( i doubt you even have a competing theory to explain the rise in excess mortality rates in age groups that  have extremely few covid fatalities)  ...this rocket science concept i cant grasp

     


  3. 54 minutes ago, Girzo said:

    @Wildcattt555 There is absence of evidence that I have 10 million dollars. That's not an evidence of me not having it. Gonna spend 20k on slot machines, be right back

    yeah, you understand that logical reality.but  you dont seem to understand why i brought it up. 

    implying that the probability of hitting a jackpot and having that money  is somehow tied to the likelihood of serious vaccines side effects is not compelling .  

    or however else you may  have thought that was a relevant counter example...  i honestly dont know  

    there is already circumstantial evidence of excess mortality rates building that seems to separate issues with the vax from covid itself.   you just created a completely arbitrary  equivalence linking  their probability without any justification  for doing so...

    you have no evidence that i have thumbs, and no evidence that i dont. im doing exactly what you did just using something very likely as opposed to something very unlikely....   see how silly that was for you to say that? i didnt speak to the probability of any covid related issue with that " counter analogy" at all and neither did you 

    saying that if someone questions the safety of the vax  without undeniable   proof  is tantamount to believing there is a causal link between fire hoses and house fires is absurd. thats why i brought that phrase up.  

    they are implying that  it is inherently counterintuitive and baseless to assume the vax  potentially does any damage without direct evidence. this is demonstrably naive and illogical.

    i get that its a waste of time trying to educate people here. this will be my last post. good luck to you all.


  4. 12 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

    @Wildcattt555

       Come on now, if you wanna attack me, attack me and the argument, none of this half way passive aggressiveness. Why you got to edit your post? Couldn't clear the forum's coastline? Need more guidance for inciting violence? Come bite me some more, every piece you take from me makes me gayer, every name calling makes me closer to my calling. I'm a loser, dumb, and low IQ? Okay, I'm Chuck Norris hulking up and down with these Numb Chucks on the low, so don't blame me for being the low blows when I upvote upwards up to heaven's gate on sacred merits: Church. I like to spiral up per round a bout per clout chaser that lasers at my mirror, the nightmare reflecting their projection from my eyes, making them dejected whilst prematurely ejaculating away their hate and self loathing . Don't worry, I'll bake the hate out of you, so this rap can be reflective for you.

       I'm so sorry the vaccine ain't working for you, so sorry you fear the needle my dear. Sorry you deeply fear the deep state and getting strangled by the mask you wanna gasp on with some aspirin powder. You need to pee out your insecurities of late. I'm tired, from anti vax this and that, so I just wanna flex and fax out my civic duties here, but oh dear, even here anti vax talks are near, so I gotta ask this: What's the point of being in a civilization, when villainization in the nation, you villainize civilians? What's the point of civic duty, when you make civilians the villains in your mind to justify dutifully serving the virus to serving it to them? What's the point of being a citizen, when you abuse Zen to use it against women, and men, a children meant to have led a wonderful life, but you helped the virus snuff that outta them, so don't pretend and deny, you innocent when you are hemmed in guilty for ending them, and guilty for over loading the beds, making the docs and nurses burnout to near death. What perverse justification would you use in this universe to verse out your masked innocence in this lame hate blame game as of late? What would you say to avoid the justice and void incoming retribution, inbound for you? What would you you say and do to save face when hell's hounds gnarl, ready to tear your face apart? Please, face the music, of the mad piper, it's lullaby is driving you to the cliff, beat it ASAP when it's early, cuz when sunk cost hits it's too late, too late to relate escaping when you are nearly over cliff's face. Too late and too deep in fort Knox when the ribbon knots are knitted this tight and fortified, don't rely on Eminem's fans to lend a helping hand when they don't even understand.

       Or, maybe it's Maybeline's fault after all? Nope, you can't default from this rope a dope, balls on your court still to answer for, foe. So, fee fi fo fum, I am a half Englishman, Caucasian bloodied with Asian magic coursing through my veins, both the giant killer and gigantic slayer, with Thor's hammer I grind thee to pieces, pound the flour, bake it  to break bread with those deserving for second chances.

     

    STUPID DELUSIONAL CHUNT THINKS SHE CAN TALK ABOUT KILLING ME IN A RAP" BECAUSE SHES AN "ARTIST.   

     


  5. 6 minutes ago, zurew said:

    Says the guy who started posting in this thread calling the op low iq. You are not doing anything big or new here, I won't address anything you say, because you are insufferable and it takes 2 minutes of thinking to find answers to your questions, and you demonstrated in other threads that you are actually a conspiracy theorist don't pretend that you are not. "Ohh when an athlete die, it must be because of vaccines" - that is your level or argumentation and its not worthy enough to spend any time on it because your positions are already fixed and you have no interest in actually changing it. 

    You and guys like you show again and again that you haven't done any research on this topic, have no idea about even the basic talking points, because you are so lost in your own conspiracies and bias.

    i addressed about 5 specific things, geez... oh im insufferable now... u sound so cool, smart.


  6. 52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Do not spread misinformation here.

    The long-term side-effects from Covid were statiatically worse than any long-term side-effects of the vaccine. This is the fundamental mistake of vaccines skeptics.

    yeah that was in poor taste thats why i immediately  removed it from my post. glad u caught it in the 5 minutes it was up and addressed it, and not the actual thing we are discussing.   thats great that you have proof that the covid vax does not cause clots or heart issues ect.  

    covid itself causes the heart issues and clots then? how convenient.  doesnt matter your opinion carries no weight with me.. 

     

    i do appreciate you responding directly to me for the first time that wasnt a coy little threat advising me to be careful.

    not only did i enjoy your legitimate spiritual videos of long ago,  i admire the social  intelligence you demonstrated in creating a cult.., super impressive that you convinced a good number of people that you are an actual guru by reappropriating past spiritual  and religious ideas. i just hate that you send people down a shallow and fruitless path and deceive  people into thinking they can achieve " god realization"  deep spiritual insight and  a transformed mode of being without the traditional practices of self restraint snd discipline outlined in every major spiritual/religious work...your " teaching" is at odds with everything from kabbalah to the tao te ching..

    literally the first thing they talk about in tao te ching is the need to conquer desire...im sure u dont respect the kabbalah or the bible so i wont waste my energy..,

    . trying to bypass this  crucial step in self evolution is damning and prevents any change of value,  but it sure does appeal this this generation of ADD riddled pleasure seeking degenerates  

    u cant take a helicopter to the top of the mountain... you know this to be true. u are a fraud.    putting new wine in an old jug... sewing new fabric on wilted garments... its just so arrogant to think you know more than thousand year old traditions... they had drugs back then... means to hallucinate...this is explained at length why it doesnt work in many texts.. youre smart enough to know you are selling a fundamentally different and inferior way of life. cheers    

     

     


  7. 1 hour ago, zurew said:

    At this point all antivaxxer should get the label "Apolitical", because they haven't and have never brought any value to the table here, they are repeating surface level arguments and questions and all of those has been answered at least one time if not numerous times here.

    They are digging this topic up as if they are interested in actually exploring the hard and deeper questions on this topic, but the only thing they demonstrate over and over again, that they haven't thought 10 minutes about this topic and that unironically they can't do their own reasearch because basic questions and problems need to be explained to them over and over again while acting like they are good faith and actually capable of changing their position on the matter.

    anti vaxxer... because i oppose the forced administration of one vaccine i must be fundamentally opposed to all vaccines... false

    i didnt bring up a surface level argument, i questioned the idea of NDT's  social health contract that requires one to take experimental vaccines in a health crisis

    what research are you referring to that would unequivocally justify the US covid vaccination policies, or should have lead me to agree with them?

    if u are going to patronize or insult someone, you should have to address one fucking thing you disagree with.  

     


  8. 1 hour ago, Recursoinominado said:

    Jesus Christ, this forum is full of anti-vax conspiracionist...

    I once had a vision of creating a high-consciousness state yellow/turquoise community and this dream is shattered now, seeing how dense most people are missunderstanding basic scientific and statistic logic.

    The human mind is just too much of a maze, most humans are stuck for life.

    Sorry buddy, but the dumb one here is you.

    thank you for not addressing a single thing anyone said and calling me dumb. you really put me in my place.  

     

    i am not anti vaccine or a conspiracy theorist, i simply do not think people should be forced to take vaccines that have not been adequately tested, such as the covid 19 vaccines.   

     

     


  9. 12 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

    @StormLight

       Because trial testing took an addition 5 years to fully complete and full proof a vaccination, more or less. The main problem was that, based on available and incomplete information of a spreading virus in Wuhan, to the Chinese government's response, and the knowledge so far, in that timeline, it was very reasonable for those companies, Pfizer included, to decide to rush the trails ahead of time into mass producing vaccines for availability ahead of time, all due to the reports of the virus's high spread and the effects from footages of many hospitals filling up with people infected and ventilation equipment increasingly needed, to the point that warehouses had to be converted prior in China. That's a 5 year gamble risking and assuming that the virus wouldn't get as bad enough that I and my group can safely provide the vaccines. Not just vaccine production, but the policies by government and enforcing Covid lock down mandates via wearing masks and keeping a 2 meter safe distance.

       So, given what we've experienced so far, with 5 years of Covid, we can now imagine more accurately what would happen if governments didn't enforce Covid lock down mandates and safe practices, or that businesses elected to do a full vaccine trails and don't rush to mass production. I can safely say, that if wthey didn't take the precautions and more conservative approaches, we would have killed so many people, 10 million more, from mere negligence and choosing a laisse fare attitude towards Covid.

       To me, morally speaking, I can't see myself make the choice of not taking a vaccine, and wear my masks and keep distances and wash my hands more than usual, simply because I don't want to be a spreader for this virus. Becoming and being a spreader for this virus is me becoming guilty of third degree murder, and being guilty of being an accessory and accomplice to a mass murdering thing to those who have more weaker and more vulnerable immune systems, so fuck the virus, you'll never benefit from me spreading you you fuck.

    5 years of covid? do you even know what year it is?   holy sh*t dude

    the vax doesnt stop transmission and to claim that "10 millions more" people WOULD have died when you accused the guy in the video of making statistical leaps and logical fallacies... just wow.  youre also misusing the word murder, like a "demagogue" may to play on the fear and emotion of a people , another word you misused.   you are a low iq person. im sorry if that is hard for you to hear, but you may benefit from that knowledge if you read about logic and statistics and the  actual  scientific process. 


  10. On 1/10/2023 at 6:41 PM, Danioover9000 said:

       Here's a video that Leo Gura posted in blog of the discussion:

       My thoughts: Neil did a good job having a reasonable discussion, despite Patrick's libertarian and business bias. Classic Democrat versus Demagogue discussion, one who's more scientific, reasonable, all about logic and the hard facts, versus a guy who's all about clout, PR, rhetoric and combining fallacies to make himself look good.

       What are your thoughts and feelings about this video?

    you must  take an experimental vaccine before the long term efficacy or side effects are known to avoid transmitting the virus to others as part of a social health contract.  that is his argument and it is not a good one,  with little to no precedent in america. please tell me how the other guy behaved like a demagogue or used logical fallacies?    is it because he brought up that people * may have suffered cardiac arrests due to the vax, and neil agreed while adding that  if he said the vax definity caused this he would be confusing co-occurrence  with causation?  

    further, how was forcing children, who have little to no risk of serious complications from covid, to take a vaccine  justified? to protect the sick and elderly, a group who most americans sadly do not give a shit about?  potentially endanger the lives of children to  maybe protect the elderly if the vax is effective at stopping transition, which it turned out not to be?? does any of this make sense to you? he is doing damage control.  before i watched the video or heard  NDT say anything about the vax i knew he would be defending it.   please open your eyes and try to think critically. 


  11. On 12/18/2022 at 2:15 PM, DocWatts said:

    Saw a discussion on his book where someone described him as akin to 'Ben Shapiro writing about nonduality', which makes me wonder if I might be better off finding these insights elsewhere without wading through braindead political takes to get there...

    they  meant his literal and  hyper analytical /intellectual style, not the nonexistent political content.   u wont understand hawkings.   a lot of his methods would be considered ascetic for people on this site, and will just be  dismissed as nonsense because you would never attempt them or be able to put them in a practical context to understand or confirm them. ( similar to those who criticize the idea of gurdieffs work)

     


  12. 6 hours ago, Someone here said:

    Honestly, I don't care anymore whether these are SSRI’S or not .the thing is they work .

    I don’t know if depression can be cured in all people. What i do know is my life changed for the better substantially since  my doc prescribed to me these medications. That was five months ago.  I have felt real good ever since. I learned how to get myself better.  Also Mindfulness helped me a ton . 

    and like I said I don't take them anymore.. if i miss on dose of my meds? Depression is back? He'll no. 

    The transformation i underwent just by finding a nice blend of three drugs is incredible. I learned happiness. Joy. Peace. I feel that almost every day. I do not choose to worry about my dependence. My depression has alot to do with a chronic disease diagnosis when i was young. I take insulin every day. Adding the anti-depressant dependency? None of us are perfect. I don’t mind the dependencies that keep me alive.

     telling people you cured your depression by going on and off two anti psychotic medications that you believe to be ssris isnt good. im not attacking you personally, just letting people in this thread know not to use any aspect of this as advice for a similar situation, because what you did is dangerous. those drugs effect your brain chemistry powerfully and long after you stop taking them. there is NO WAY IN HELL, your doctor prescribed those medications to be a temporary fix for anything and advised you to stop taking them when you felt better.   if he did you are seeing a state doctor who literally does not care about you or wasnt  qualified to be treating you.    jesus you said u take insulin and didnt know the most common  serious side effect of zyprexa is elevated blood sugar. this thread is a monument to pharmacological  ignorance. 


  13. 3 hours ago, Someone here said:

    Don't worry ..I know why I'm taking these medications and I knew about their side effects before taking them .

    I take them because they are necessary for my condition.  I suffered from depression, mood swings, anxiety, panic attacks and felt like I was losing my goddam mind .

    2021 was pure hell for me . And now I'm finally healed thanks to these medications. 

    Also I'm pretty sure Invega and Zyprexa are SSRI’S. I'm on both because my situation was severe . I was so miserab,I was suicidal.  So the 3 types of SSRI’S were mandatory.  But thanks for  your gentle reminder. 

    why wouldnt you google what an ssri is, or the medication you used to take before responding?   ssri is selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor,  that is the most common type of anti depressent, and only prozac is one.  whats more, you were on medication for bipolar disorder. so really not a good idea to stop taking it unless you were misdiagnosed which is rare. the invega and zyprexa were prescribed to treat mood swings. so its common to believe you dont need them if you are feeling better. the thing is they are likely to return if you havent addressed the inherent health issue that was causing that to happen. this almost never happens. u would know if it was a thyroid issue or you were  misdiagnosed bc of drug use ect, whatever it could have been....you can go up to 2-3 years unmedicated for mood swings before having a mental health relapse btw. you didnt fix it with exercise and meditation. trust me


  14. On 12/17/2022 at 8:08 AM, Someone here said:

    Over the 2021 year  ..I  suffered from anxiety disorder and panic attacks .and I made few posts about it here on the forum . I tried therapy of course. I saw a psychiatrist and he prescribed me some SSRI’S.  Namely Prozac, Invega, and  zyprexa. They have some nasty side effects (dry mouth ,needing to pee constantly, erectile dysfunction and lack of sexual interest). But they are 100% worth it . Try these medicines for few weeks and notice how your anxiety will subside effortlessly.  Thats the physiological aspect.  Also you want to eat food that helps the brain to release feeling good chemicals (serotonin, dopamine etc). Like fish .

    The psychological aspect is not less important. What I did is I tried a meditation technique called (watch the space between thoughts ). I" invented" this technique myself.  I talked about it here :

    Give it a read . What this meditation technique does is it blocks away the whole story of your past and the whole story about your future.  And makes you 100% grounded in the present moment.  And there is no anxiety to be found in the present. Anxiety is always about what's gone and what's coming.  So when you block away every single thought about your history and your future and just stay with what's present...you will feel safe and secure. 

    I have moved from being a fear based person to being a love based person. Anxiety is a form of fear. I can not have fear and faith at the same time. I choose to walk in faith and put myself in the arms of God, where all is safe. I identified each fear and released it replacing it with love and grace. Today, I live in the moment which is a gift and why it is called The Present. There is no fear in the “Now”. Everything is just like it is supposed to be and I enjoy the moment. 

    So in conclusion.: try these medications mentioned above +try this meditation technique +put your trust and faith in God. The only place who you can let go and enter the kingdom of heaven. 

    If you have any questions.  Let me know. 

     

    youre aware you listed 2 very potent anti psychotic  medications that arent ssris, right? sounds like you are doing well but ive heard this happen many times where a psychiatrist will medicate the patient for a serious condition without telling you while they are waiting to confirm your dx.  you have a right to know what you are taking and the potential side effects.    make sure to ask why they have you on Zyprexa and invega. and why u need both unless you were having serious issues before the second was added.  it is very very dangerous to pile on medications like that unless absolutely neccesary. you have to advocate for yourself.   


  15. On 1/6/2023 at 5:28 PM, Devin said:
    1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

    Make sure to post one article every three days for the next year, or else we're not keeping up.

    exactly, this has always happened. it's easy to find hundreds of similar articles in 2020, 2019 ect.  we just dont pull them up to prove it because it's so redundant at this point.   it is 100% normal, even common, to be born with heart issues and have problems in your 20s and 30s because of it. 


  16. On 1/7/2023 at 7:12 AM, Victor van Rijn said:

     

    gaslighting usually  refers to interpersonal situations.   to see " wokeness"  as an almost sentient entity  that has fundamentally bad intentions rather than occasionally negative expressions in society is a very flawed *interpretation of what is happening.     there is a backlash on both the right and left extremes with even the most benign  social justice intent. white people not being able to accept black lives matter as a slogan because they " claim" they cant understand that specializing a race in a slogan for social justice doesnt inherently demean their own race. But this backlash is not really a backlash on the name BLM, or wanting to be racist, but a fear that the blm movement will be forced to deprive them of limited resources to help Black people and fuel the movement( you know, politics),  it is not racism disguised as anti racism, but  a venting of potentially valid issues they have within  consequences of the movement, and often fear disguised as racism or anger  

    all these issues have a hidden crux. what truly ought to be done to make ammends for slavery? its not ignore it entirely and its not give everyone huge sums of financial reparations , its somewhere in between, and it is incredibly difficult to both agree on shat that solution is, and implement it.   i have heard people get mad for uber eats having a " black owned restaurants category displayed prominently on the front page  . like, really is that too much reparation..  society isnt inherently evil and gaslighting itself because we dont have a brilliant solution to heal our national shame..

    again  the name BLM  or the black lives matter movement or sj in general is not consciously created with the intention to deceive or "gaslight."     no , society isnt gaslighting itself.   shes not even using that term right if it were true  as gaslighting refers to denying someones objective reality, not a simple deception. all deception is not gas lighting.  

     

    yes all of these tag along movements latching on to the emotion of blm and almost implying they have suffered a comparable  wrong really muddies things, but there is no " intent" that creates the madness.   it could, like most things, be a giant conspiracy that all these movements were created to fight against the " racist homophobic  patriarchy and  against themselves for attention and resources to create chaos, but it can and likely did happen organically.

     

     shoehorning every aspect of social justice into " marxist dynamics/ subversion tactics is also another popular yet horribly flawed take.  attributing every social evil to a corporate or governmental power play is the very definition of a conspiracy theorist. this is why alex jones thought he could just say he was playing a character. because he is just playing a character. (he doesnt really see everything in terms of a hegelian dialectic. that is absurd.  if he did he wouldnt be able to manipulate people who are actually in that mind state) but all this conflict arises because people cant sift through what is happening in real time with any sense of understanding so they flock to a "side" out of embarrassment fear and political requirement 

    it is so complex that you either become naive and credulous, or  dismissive and  paranoid  of the " official narrative."  

     

    it is very difficult to even articulate the problem, let alone the solution:

    its literally at its core  a disagreement on the perception and  structure of reality itself...appraising  the relative importance of  LITERALLY competing injustices and distilling their estimated  impact  into a heirarchy of historical ill...all   tainted by trauma and emotion( because injustice causes emotion not cognition)

    ...rather than the required intellect, and attempting to divide up current resources that in no way could even be supposed to be sufficient for this impossible theoretical task.but even using the resources available in a " fair" way which gives any degree of satisfaction  to various groups with history of slavery  or genocide or extreme prejudice ...is not achievable. trying is making it worse.   trying is good the outcome is bad  

     

         the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  


  17. 10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    All of Teal's points are valid critiques of stage Green. But I feel like she's not acknowledging that this is just how stage Green is. What else do you expect? Nobody gives a fuck about real awakening (not even Teal's audience I would suggest). Of course Green has limits, and of course group-think, conformity, and intolerance are some of the biggest downsides of Green. But our society is nowhere developed or mature enough for Tier 2. Wilber makes this same mistake of talking about Green as though we should already be beyond it, when obviously most of the world still has yet to experience Green. Half of America demonizes Green. This is a fact you cannot deny. So there cannot be Yellow any time soon.

    And also it is dangerous to make a video denouncing wokeness without at all addressing how lower stages of the Spiral will weaponize this to create a MAGA-like regression into Blue, Orange, and even Red.

    When people like Tate, Trump, and Kanye dominate the news, it is political malpractice to record a video against wokeness and not address the evils of anti-wokeness. Many people will watch this video and leave with the conclusion that woke is bad and anti-woke is good.

    The danger posed by Green is less than the danger posed by Blue and Orange. You cannot discusss Green in isolation from its alternatives. The alternative is not Yellow, it's Orange, Blue, and even Red.

    If Teal is seriously gonna complain about gaslighting, how about the masters of gaslighting: the right-wing? As if cries of reverse-racism and reverse-sexism by the right are not the mother of all gaslights. The right has been gaslighting about racism for 200 years.

     


  18. if u consider the covid outbreak at face value u cant place malicious intent on the vax. it was/is a real disease, people were dying and they had very little time to stop it from spreading. do u produce a possible remedy immediately  or or do u let people continue to die while u are making sure it works/ is safe.

    the bare reality is scarier than the conspiracy theory.   the medical establishment could have been acting in completely appropriate, even   honorable  fashion and still not  produce an effective or safe vaccination given the time restraints caused by the growing death toll .  now depending on how dangerous it is, they will "lie" to reduce hysteria, also for the greater good as the damage is done  

     

    to assume that they deliberately created the disease and the poison vax with the intent to reduce the population  is tantamount to 9/11 theories. its technically possible but there is no real reason to be cynical to the point of paranoia  rather than accept the official narrative/ truth  

    our fragile psyches  prefer our tragedy to be evil and not random


  19. 5 hours ago, no_name said:

    It seems that the more loving and forgiving you become of yourself, the more loving and forgiving you become of others. 

    The more you start to understand your own psychology, the more you understand why narcissist is the way they are, why religious people are the way they are, etc. You relate it to the time you were ignorant yourself about something, you start to understand ignorance.

    However, what are some of the reasons you would still stay away from such people? Why wouldn’t you date a narcissist for example or a religious person? Is it again because of strong self love? Because you want to grow and growth is limited when you are around ignorant people? Because you can only give so much of your resources to such people? Or would they bring you down your conscience level?
     

    Can someone bring you down your consciousness level? Or is it a sign then that your level was not that high to begin with?

    im just curious what negative traits you presuppose religious people to have.  are you prejudiced against all religious people or is there one specific group  that inspired you to place them in the same category as narcissists?      


  20. 39 minutes ago, Devin said:

    I already posted this two posts ago,

    https://www.ahajournals.org › doi

    Sudden Deaths in Young Competitive Athletes | Circulation

    by BJ Maron · 2009 · Cited by 2235 — Sudden deaths were predominantly due to cardiovascular disease. Looked at 1980-2006 of 1866 athletes who died suddenly

     

    There are cardiac arrests in sports many times every year.

    yes many used to be dozens not hundreds. ?

    and dipshit, we were talking about the nfl. u arent * debating honestly. 

     

    maybe im the parochial American idiot. but we are the center of the sports world. please list other instances like this in american sports.  I  HAVE WATCHED AMERICAN SPORTS FOR HOURS EVERY WEEK FOR 30 YEARS AND HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT. do you think im lying? what could my motivation be?  I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE COLLAPSE ON A FIELD OR COURT LIVE. i have now, multiple times.  again what is my motivation to lie?  your motivation is quelling your fear that you maybe should have waited to get the vax and just want to convince yourself u didnt mess up. im sorry for that. it sucks. i hope issues like this are more rare than they appear they could be now.   but dont tell hysterical lies and distort facts and reality to make yourself feel better.    

    jeez dude u are trying to cite facts to combat evidence people are seeing with their eyes. wake up. ( there are cardiac arrests in sports every year)... so if people start getting struck by lightning on tv a lot you are going to argue that its a natural occurrence  because it is a possible occurrence? obviously not. u are emotionally reasoning. thats why your arguments are so silly. 


  21. 8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    What — a person collapsing? That is why you need to watch sports in general. This has always been a thing.

    no, a person's heart stopping for ten minutes, obviously. you people are too dumb to talk to.   i watch the nfl so thats why im being rude. you are misinformed or lying.   and yes people have had heart attacks on the field pre covid in the global sports world. there is data that this has increased drastically post covid. so its either the virus or the vax, but people like you who claim this is normal reveal yourselves to be completely ignorant.