RMQualtrough

This happens. Some days thinking is obscured and answers hidden. Other days, seemingly randomly, everything is clear. I wonder if this is normal? That a person's clarity comes and goes... This is already everything... When you think about entering another person's body/mind you are thinking character level, not background level. The character is a limited thing. Movie playing on a screen: Magically sentient character wishes to become another character, or become the screen. The screen is already whole and undivided. The sentient character is a limited form upon it. The character cannot become the screen AS the character because it already is it. It cannot become another character because the other character is a separated limited form appearing on the screen. The character's apparent limitation can disappear when you grab the remote and turn the TV off. When the appearance of limitation is gone. Your character (= an appearance) cannot be limited and unlimited at the same time. For the "character" to be unlimited it ceases to actually exist at all, so the apparent limitation vanishes, leaving only the screen upon which the character appeared... But the character is at that point not there anymore... But even when the character WAS there, the screen still was present and whole, despite the apparent limited form. The sense of limitation itself is created by the appearance of these forms, which all of us are. It is not actual, even though one form cannot become another form or the screen as a whole. There is only ever the screen and everything that is on it is a limited, finite form within it. It would not be quite right to say that when the limited form disappears it becomes the screen, since it always was, but I don't know a better way to word it....... I think that is close enough.

Also... Characters don't have experience, awareness has experience. You are not a character experiencing awareness and the world around you. You are awareness experiencing a limited character... This character is finite... The question of why you are limited to this body and not another, is a character-level question. The character is asking this question, not the sheer nothingness which you know yourself to be when you say you are conscious. That is why I said, for the limitation to vanish, the finite character would cease to exist. All form is by necessity LIMITED and FINITE. And then when you cease to exist you "become" all of infinity, even though you ALREADY ARE like the screen behind a movie... But from character-level this explanation is I think the best... Watch the current thought in your head (one of the finite elements which make up your "character") disappear. The thought became nothingness, it became infinity. You are nothingness. Awareness is nothingness. The thought was finite and yet it appeared in the nothingness which is whole and complete. When the thought lost its limitation (the limit which allowed it to appear as a particular thought to begin with), it became nothing again. Which is what is observing your finite character. That is what happens when limitation vanishes. The thought or character does too. They return to the sheer awareness (= nothingness, that without finitude) that you are.

God, consciousness, existence. Synonym: Nothingness. Why and how would nothingness be lonely? Lonely is a sensation or thought, which is limited, which is why it isn't nothing (anything without limit is nothing). God isn't real. It's nothingness. You are nothingness. Everything is. Lol.

Hypnotherapy doesn't work on me, meditating does literally nothing at all. I have bad genes for being in touch with anything like this... However I definitely broke through enough times thanks to DMT (of course) to have a rather large amount of insight. I know that I am nothingness. I know that nothingness is exactly what all people essentially are. I know this, I experienced this many times. I of course had the out of body experience (which is not the NDE type, but rather the illusion of awareness having form and location disappearing). I know other people are nothing but images. I know when I look in a mirror, my body just like that, is also nothing but an image. I completely grasp this, understand that... Of course nothingness can't be created or destroyed. Of course my entire life is an appearance happening in that, and that is what has the apparent beginning and end. When I am walking with a friend, or perhaps family, I know that if something peers through their eyes it has to be nothingness doing so. I do not understand quite why I do not then have a sort of "PS1 game" split screen type view where their sights are available to me if you see what I mean? As nothingness is also what I am, and nothingness cannot itself be finite. In fact it is the only possinle infinite thing. I only need very small pointers towards how this "others" thing works, as I already fully grasp much of it due to drugs (yay). But there is not any consistent pointers or teachings on this one single matter. It's very inconsistent. Has someone had genuine insight into this matter for real? Not just books or videos, or weird visions of Jesus proclaiming it to be a certain way, but something with the same self evident certainty as emptiness etc? I'm not doing drugs again, my genes are shit for achieving these states, I just need some tiny pointer........

You're slipping away from reality bro. Remember middle school science class. Light bounces off the hand, into the eye, signal to the brain, the brain produces an image. You aren't looking at your hand, you're seeing an imaginary representation of it. There's no reason the representation must look the way that it does. I can confirm drug trip frog paws were still functional. A sober person beside me would ofc not see the frog paw hands I am.

You only need to mention d*rk.fail. People can find what they want from there.

I think you're real... I don't have a Dr. Pepper Zero anymore, but I think that the me that did have one was real. I don't think it's all just false memory of a life. I think I did drink a Dr. Pepper, and am about to drink a Cherry Coca-Cola Zero (these diet drinks are good for cutting weight). All of this form is finite. I can't expect then to be infinite... Tbh with you, the sense of unity I did have on high dose DMT combos, was different than subjective solipsism. It was more like, say you took two people, and washed away everything about them, they would at that stage be literally one and the same. As the shared unlimited thing is not the appearances on top. My ego and person is a finite thing. If we both had a HEAVY breakthrough trip, for a moment, we would be merged and literally one. But in that state we also cease to be and it's a blackout... So I suppose a touch before blackout is the most useful......

We exist. Nobody is tricking you. I'm watching Kitchen Nightmares rn in bed with a Dr Pepper Zero.

Bro lol. You can't go bald or get a wrinkle and just blame the acid you did once.

I've been considering this a lot. I'm now relatively far removed from the direct experiences, with rare flashbacks or insights. But I consider this... You can't possibly have infinity plus other. Now, ALL forms, all experiences, are finite. Proveable, easy. These finite things cannot be outside of infinity (as said: infinity AND x is impossible). So I think it is evident that infinity divides within itself. This is how things can even appear. If it didn't do this, things would never appear. Every single experience is finite. You can definitively find that you are nothingness. We feel that is infinite of course, because we can certainly find that what we are is not limited in any time or space. But it can't be the entirety of infinity within this experience, because there are finite appearances happening. SO, it might be more that these appearances are a division, and when the forms and experiences vanish, the illusion of separation is gone. But then of course there is not you there anymore... Rupert Spira said similar about a house that was built. The air inside the house and outside, it's the same air. But the construction of the house makes an appearance of there being an inside air and outside air. When the house is demolished, the apparent limitation is gone....... I think that is right.

When I read trip reports I wrote only minutes after coming down, I often doubt it happened and think I'm either lying or exaggerating.

Yeah man, the thing especially with LSD (and hence I guess also LSA), if truths are presented they are very abstract... I believe that is why teens who use it at parties have a hard time communicating the ideas which come to them. Some of the very abstract ideas I had on acid, made sense after I had my DMT breakthrough and learned about the existence of nondual tradition. Then I could see in some of the LSD trips (though not all) a lot that makes sense. And not shoehorning it to be right, but genuinely the ideas were accurate but presented in strange abstract ways. More symbolic, less direct. But yeah there was still random nonsense. Right now I can't point to any acid realization that I think was definitely delusional BS, but some things which might have been. In all cases though, abstract and symbolic. To add: IIRC LSD is the only psychedelic which looks to increase brain activity. This may represent how the mind is then working, drawing a LOT of connections across the board and hence very abstract, rather than the states of very low brain activity where the message comes through clear.

Tbh not every drug trip is illuminating, some of them are just random bonkers shit... I had father time come out of a cliffside, then was sat at a picnic table with the grim reaper... Hallways of white with Simpsons characters repeatedly flying past me. It's just random fucking shit sometimes... Psychs make a person very suggestible. So if you do go in all "God realization here it comes!!!" then it might just conjure up some BS like that even if it's not sensical. To me whether you get the understanding you want or just random BS seems random to an extent, I never did find a way to make something reliable and repeatable. Basically I wouldn't worry about "understanding less than before", I might just chalk it up to a jumbled mess, bad luck at the craps table init.

Thanks for the link, I see all of this is very alien to psychedelic trips, as there is a lot of specific terminologies I don't understand, and specific pathways that are not in line with drug trips (since drug trips don't follow any specific order). A DMT breakthrough will cause something that to me sounds like the result of what is described there. Leo's descriptors of his experiences are ofc more in line with what is familiar to me as he just does a bunch of drugs.

Do you have a more detailed trip report on that 5 experience? That sounds very strong. Can you elaborate on what ideas came to you about how it was all working etc?

Right, this is one of the most interesting elements IMO. Great topic. I wonder what you would think if you knew for a fact your physical death has already happened. Like in eternalism. Imagine knowing your death has happened and yet you're here. Like wtf are even the implications of that? Difficult for a human to comprehend non-linear time, which would be like a novel or flipbook. Certainly we have only known now. It does not mean past and future events did not happen, but they happened now. So not really past and future in actuality... On acid I have had delusional ideas of course, but one that was interesting... I was playing with one of those synths you can program a note into each beat and it plays over and over. And I considered that I am like those frames on the synth, and I die each frame that passes... Acid actually produced a few interesting ideas but often very abstract.

@UnbornTao I think the anxiety is just anticipation of a threatening or emotionally distressing experience. If I talk to people, I may hold a fear that they will immediately attack me or put me down. I've had the condition for 13 to 14 years, nearly half my life. I don't even try to eliminate it anymore. I just let it happen and don't judge myself for that nervousness.

@The0Self Isn't the 6th Jhana just a hard DMT breakthrough? I don't know much about those, just some quick reading it sounds like that.

A real witch would not be overwhelmed by random villagers, sadly it was just regular innocent people being murdered amongst hysteria... Got a cold the day after you argued with a neighbour? WITCH! BURN HER!

Interesting... Anxiety I suppose a defence against a potential feared situation? What about depression? I have never found a way to actually stop or overcome my anxiety, but it can become easy to accept yourself and let the anxiety happen without all the judgement etc. Which helps in a different way.

What do you personally get out of the altered states beyond recognition of what you are? Are you searching for something specific?

You would have to get into a SERIOUSLY dissociated state to not want to GTFO when some dude starts drilling into your tooth. Maybe so dissociated you can't even feel your body anyway. You could easily do so with drugs. I suppose some people can get in a trance to that degree sober. Def not myself.

Everyone is inherently nothing, that is what you call consciousness. Your character dies, the entire content within that nothingness that you call "you" vanishes. The nothingness can't go anywhere obviously, because it is already nothing... When recognizing that you are the nothingness, and that if any other things are aware in apparent space they too are inherently nothingness, then you wonder why if you are the same nothing you are stuck "in this body" so to speak. Conversely, when you realize your entire character is an appearance taking place within that nothingness, you wonder what it is experientially like to cease to exist, as you then are identifying as the character... You already know what it's like for your character to die as it happens every monent. Nothingness remains. But it seems to remain within the same character from each character's knowledge...... We are all it fundamentally, we are all appearing in it, it IS nothing (that I know is the case) and it therefore has no border. Only things can and do have borders... Actually each vision we have is limited and has a border. The text on this screen is limited, it's black shapes. To appear here it has to be black and not white. That is one of countless borders which make up this moment... There can never be infinity AND something else, so these limited things must be divisions within itself. It is impossible for them to be outside because if something was outside of infinity, infinity would have a boundary. Which is impossible in nothingness AKA consciousness. We are one of these divisions surely... The sense of continuation maintained by a mind trick, consisting of memory, etc. Where do those limited things go when they end? I was having a thought an hour ago, and that thought is now gone... If it has ceased to be, it has become nothing... And consciousness IS nothing, so that thought must be reintegrated with the same nothing that is currently watching my fingers type these words. When the last moment of our character ends, it will surely go to that same nothing just like the moment hours before this one did. But where will we find ourselves then?....... Each dead person instantaneously reaches the end of the universe, like how when undergoing surgery you instantly arrive many hours later in the recovery room, and so at the final moment of each character, it should all be together immediately at the total collapse of the universe... Back into itself like a reverse big bang and then back out? I am not sure... These are puzzling things indeed.

That's the medical type definition. In this case you couldn't function as a human nah... Imagine not knowing where your hands end and the world begins, shit like that. Or your hands warping around into frog paws and little plasticine soldiers. You're legit insane and nonfunctional then.

If the universe does indeed ever collapse. If it does then of course inevitably we """wake up""" as the one singular nothing. I don't think that could happen as something we actually realize because nothing without thingness being necessitated isn't possible. So I don't think there will be an "a-ha!" But if we imagine there is a brief moment in a big crunch where we do recognize... Just as a thought experiment. ALL of us will feel that it is OUR own consciousness that has remained. Even though it is all of us. So I say that """waking up""" for real would feel like waking from a dream, where the same awareness seems continuous. As opposed to say, another character's consciousness from within that dream waking up and leaving you in oblivion. It will always feel like it's continuous you. I'm explaining shittily. But it will be EXACTLY as if nobody else ever existed. It will FEEL like literal subjective solipsism was the case, even if it wasn't (and I think it is not). If you see what I mean?????