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@Osaid I guess you didn't understand what I meant, because I don't see how you could even have 2 different perspectives on this conversation; The absolute and the relative. There is nothing outside of your experience and at least to me it doesn't matter how I try to think about the thing. Can you explain the difference between these perspectives so I see what you are trying to show me?

@Osaid It doesn't even matter do you think this thing from absolute or relative point of view, because there is nothing outside of the "experience" that is happening for "you" HERE and NOW. So the thing is as radical as your parents and friends aren't doing anything or existing while you don't see them. So whole "universe" looks exactly like it looks for you right NOW when you read this text.

@hoodrow trillson Is it like you don't want them to suffer so you would look like a better person in their eyes? Or is it because non-reacting makes you feel like a strong person in the eyes of yourself? I mean couldn't you help "others" just, because it feels nice to do so and not, because you don't want the negative thing that comes from not helping? If just acting good makes you feel happy then at this point you don't need to imagine "others" that do not exist. At this point realizing solipsism wouldn't change your behaviour, but maybe it would just make you more confident, because you understand that there is no one who could judge you : )

@hoodrow trillson You speak about solipsism as it would be like an upgrade you could buy from Leo's shop . The thing is that, if your only reason to act nice towards "others" is because you don't want them to suffer or something then I would as you think twice about continuing it. I mean there is no problem in helping presumably "others", but like with other things in life, you should do them just for your own enjoyment. So helping "others" should give you happiness and if not, then don't do it.

@Jahmaine If you thought that you have 2 million dollars in your bank account and someday someone reveals to you that actually you have only 2 dollars, even if that doesn't change the fact of how much money you really had, that still makes you depressed. By that I try to show that it isn't the "reality" which makes us happy or unhappy, but our thoughts, mind images and ways of seeing the situations that really matter. For some people it is beautiful thought that there are "others" and when that thought gets destroyed that's when the fairytale is dead, forever.

@Jahmaine The reason is that people assume that they need "others" to have fun and they fear "losing" this quality when realizing solipsism and that is the main reason they avoid understanding it. People want happiness and only the ones who really have contemplated that enough understand that happiness and truth comes pretty much hand in hand. My opinion is that you don't really need to understand all things to have extremely good life and that is the reason I stress so much to ask what is the point of life? which of course is to be happy which is to accept present moment as it is.

@seeking_brilliance Every moment is created in real time and there is nothing behind the curtain. I am not still saying that it couldn't be possible to know what happens tomorrow based on your dream. It's all about how this whole show unfolds which is mystery of course.

@WokeBloke They are spiritual seekers and they want spiritual stuff and that is as simple as that. If you don't want to know more about actualized.org or spirituality overall then do something else, but making these claims and arguments day after day really just messes people's minds even more. This forum is for teaching purposes and not for some weird arguing. Either drop your desires to do things on your own way or the forum as you did with your Youtube channel, but you aren't openminded enough NOW to have conversations about deep topics. From your perspective everyone else is your imagination, if you just could reach this level of understanding someday. This is not the easiest thing to understand, if you want to understand this thing with the level non-spiritual people try to understand it. If you really want to end your constant confusion I would offer you one more conversation, if you would just accept it lovingly? ?. See this forum as a school and if you don't agree on the teachings then don't come here to ruin others experience. Sorry for being strict with you, but I already have tried my best with you including 3 hour conversation. I would really love to make you realize these things, but I fear that you can't do this, because you can't let a thought away that you know more that the one who is talking to you. With much love and authenticity -joNi- ? ? ?.

@machiavelli I will be be the translator for you. There will be always some dream "playing" for "you" and right NOW I can't just say which will be the content of your "next" dream, but I promise that there will be never ending chain of dreams. It doesn't even matter if this is another thought that you imagine, because it helps you to undestand "reality". @Someone here Leo means that the "experiencer" will never die, but there may happen death within the dream, but only thing which happens is that "you" go to new dream. @Leo Gura You see how clueless these folks are after you play with them ?

@Leo Gura You should include to your answers whenever you are talking in absolute level and when in relative level, because yeah your response is correct, but it could be misunderstood or not understood at all. I agree that this present moment is all there is, but of course there is chain of events when we think relatively. For example my birthday is fifth day of december and it will happen in "future" as long as nothing too weird happens for example my body dies. I have read couple of your conversations with the members here and I see that they really don't get what you are trying to say and it doesn't help that you play with them. Yeah I understand that it is your forum and you do it for your own enjoyment, because what else there is to do. I understand that even the thought of future happening is another thought which is within this moment. Anyways you are falling into same trap as the Nahm did with an endless parroting of everything is a thought. You just say that everything is imaginary. I just made this post, because you said that you want good criticism whenever it is needed. If your point is just to have fun and answer as you like then there is no problem, but if you want to be as clear as possible then you could maybe do less responses with more information and quality. Now a days it just sounds like a you are copy pasting responses. I understand that it is sometimes frustrating when people don't get what you mean, but always talking in absolute level is not the solution, imo. With love -joNi- <3

@Arthogaan If there would be real "blank state" then it would just be "skipped". So total blank state is not real and is just a thing you are imagining.

@Arthogaan Who said that it first needs to start with no dream? That is thing which cannot be aware of and thing which cannot be aware of isn't there in a present moment which means it does not exist. So by a definition this kind of state which is said in the video cannot exist. Non-experience cannot be experienced and therefore it is not real and if it could be experienced it wouldn't be non-experience anymore. @Michael Jackson I never said that there is god or is not. I only said "if it would be the case ..." which was just to induce some thoughts to run.

@Arthogaan There isn't even that "blank black potentiality" outside of the dream, because there is no outside and if it would exist then it would exist within the dream. So the conclusion is that there is only the dream which is happening right NOW. "The sleeper" and the dream is same thing.

@Arthogaan There is only present moment and if it would be the case that there is no god in it right NOW then god wouldn't exist right NOW. What infinity just means is that there are no edges in it. Can you perceive the edges of your present moment right NOW? To see edges of what you see you first need to see that which you do not see and that contradicts itself. So try right NOW to become conscious that you don't see edges of your experience.

@Terell Kirby I don't have any bias towards spiritual people and I even see myself to be part of that group. It is just well known that, if you drop a word like logic in spiritual conversation then always there is one who says that truth does not need logic. Yeah I undestand that, but we were talking in relative level anyways and I just told you that, you know that you have an answer when you don't feel like questioning it anymore. What would be the point of asking question when you already have the answer for it?

@Terell Kirby I already knew while adding that last part about the logic that all spiritual people will start an argument about it. I didn't mean it in a rational way that everything needs to be math or something. But what I just said was that you don't need to ask your teacher what is the answer for 2 + 2 when you already know that it is 4. If you want something else, but conceptual answer why are you asking me to answer it conceptually . It doesn't matter what the "answer" is, because when you know it, you know it and that's it : ) -joNi-

@Terell Kirby You don't need to question anymore when you already have the answer. Based on this logic as long as you question you haven't attained the answer and when you don't have a need to question this anymore I would argue that you have the knowledge. It's not even intuition, but basic logic.

@gettoefl @Manusia How does it make you two feel when others give positive compliments about the person you really aren't? I mean, if that does not make you feel better then what is the point of doing so. You guys should learn to start telling your opinions and thoughts to others without too much thinking about what they are going to say and as I have said previously - if they don't accept you as you are then they aren't the right people for you. Your first goal is to express yourself and it doesn't matter at this point how others take it. You win anyways, because you overcame your fear of expressing yourself.

@Terell Kirby When you don't need to ask this question then it is something beyond conceptual.

@WokeBloke How could we be different beings? Everything must be one so that proves we are the same one.

@thisintegrated You missed the whole point I said. Of course I don't want to live in country where they allow bad things to happen without any good reason, but the thing is that every benefit has its cost and in flexible rules you have grey area. That is rule making 101. Would you rather live in country where they don't take anything situationally and when you hold robber in a floor to wait police to arrive, they give you ticket from obstruction of movement.

@thisintegrated Either you lack radicality or situationality in making rules. If you make it too radical then there is no enough flexibility and if it is too situational then there are lot of grey areas. You choose either of these 2 cases, you lose. That's why you need to learn to make decisions between 2 bad choises, because truth is that you need to choose something or freeze which is even worse.

@Manusia I would almost say that, if you feel like being at home while being at pubic place talking to people, that is strong indicatinon that you are being yourself. To do that you need confidence which comes from not taking social situations so seriously. Being cool is all about letting go and not adding anything just to make others like you. Also you know that you are thinking authentically when it is based on your deepest desires and opinions. Seeing that requires that you have first contemplated your desires and opinions precisely. After that just act from these motivators : )

@StarStruck It doesn't matter, at least for me. Usually I have about 20 tabs open, but that is, because that guarantees that I will never run out of things to do. It's like to-do list and when they are looked again or aren't interesting anymore I will close them.

@WokeBloke NOW you seem to be asking right questions ?. If there is no "perception" of something then it is not happening in present moment which means it does not exist. In case you have seen, there is no "perception" of time, perception, consciousness, I, gravity, control, etc. Direct "experience" cannot be denied though, because I guess you agree that the "sensations" are happening.