Federico del pueblo

@Javfly33 Have you gotten lost in spirituality a bit too much buddy? ? There are actually endless accounts of people who were suffering from specific emotional or psychosomatic symptoms who then reexperienced some past trauma (childhood, baby age, birth or even past life or transgenerational) which then alleviated some or all symptoms. What you suggest is along the lines of "there is no trauma", "there is no psyche", "there is no past nor future". It might be true from a very high perspective but it's mostly just impractical to deal with "real world issues".

@VictorB02 ❤❤❤???

I just recently started with them...so let me just tell you that before you'll get to the part with the Infinite love you may first go through some episodes of "lot's of awkwardness and past pain" if you are remotely as affected by emotional stuff as I am (during a single psychedelic experience but also overall, getting a bit closer to this love with each trip). Yep, you need a vision for the future!

Maybe if you get some of that infinite love that Leo talks about you'll then need a bit less of the physical satisfaction and worldly love? => somespiritualgirl ?

@somegirl masturbation maybe? Those 3 don't go together too well, you see?

@StarStruck I think the simple "no bs answer" is: yes it's the same. By this I mean that the specific words you used point to the same thing/reality. What one spiritual teacher would call the "field of consciousness that connects everyhing" is the same as some other teacher might call the "quantum field". Both expressions are of course just pointers, not to be confused with the real thing.

@flowboy Hey buddy, sorry for reviving this thread again now, but I had a question in my mind I thought you would be predestined to answer. If there is some emotional symptom in the present, how do you trace it back all the way to the very root cause (typically in early childhood or even earlier)? I'm asking because in the case of developmental trauma it can seem very tricky to find the actual cause - the "mother trauma" so to speak amongst all these different things that happened over a few decades. Like for example there can be a sense of unworthiness in the present and you could find logical reasons in the present like "because I don't have enough of X I feel unworthy", but that's of course way too superficial, it started much earlier. It seems a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack at the moment and additionally there can be the difficulty of not even remembering certain incidents due to repression.

@somegirl sounds all good! We'll hear from each other ?

@somegirl Sure, you seemed like one of the more reasonable people on here. I have actually avoided the dating section for quite some time now (couldn't stand the toxicity anymore) and it's been a better experience like this overall. I hope your self work has been fruitful, good luck anyway!

@somegirl I thought you had died about a year ago, but here you are again, lol ?

Have you done that?

What about DMT trips can be so traumatising? Is it like seeing evil entities that will chew on your soul? ?

I definitely think so. I think 100 - 130 should be enough, like you can still think and won't get warped in another dimension where the pick up gods will interrogate you

In the last months I've had several kind of extraordinary experiences in this state when you're still half asleep but already awake, of a kind like I've never had before. One time I woke up, so I knew I was awake, but parallel to being awake I'm still also dreaming. Knowing that I'm in my room, lying on my bed I now get a sense that I'm moving upwards, like floating to the top of my room, to then get kind of excited and anxious about this process, which immediately warps me back in my lying on the bed position. Another time I experienced the same, but this time I feel like I'm flying to the far right and upper end of my room and (while not having any visual sense, it's like I'm blind, just darkness), to then suddenly see a visual representation of the "meditating monk with the 7 chakras illustrated" which hangs as a wall carpet on that wall (but I saw it as a standing cart box figure instead ?). I wake up from this experience and am fully awake, but now I have specific involuntary motoric movements of my head, face muscles and jaw, exactly in the same way like when during my lsd trips my body starts abreacting the strong emotions that come to the surface from the unconscious mind. Another time I'm still mostly asleep, but low-key lucid, I feel my body and then suddenly I feel a strong blissful energy in that area of the 2nd chakra which immediately spreads throughout the entire body, giving me something like a "bliss orgasm". The freakiest experience was this: I wake up, but are still somewhat dreamy. Now I get an anxious sense that there's someone lying next to me (I was alone though), like I hear the breath and movement of someone. Then I just manage to calm myself down and realise that I'm probably still dreaming and I become accepting of my anxious state. Though I still have an intuitive sense that any moment some kind of "presence" will show up but I'm willing to accept whatever may unfold and don't resist it. The next moment an invisible but audible entity shows up. I clearly hear its breath and a voice that starts talking in inedible language (at first) while simultaneously caressing my face with some blissful energy (as though its hands are made out of this energy) and very briefly becoming visible as the silhouette of a female looking face that I sort of see as though it was pressing itself through a layer of "dream material", kind of like when you put a silky cloth on your face. At some point I start to understand what the entity is saying and she says something along the lines of "you must choose someone who will suffer instead of you" (note that I'm dealing with a chronic and quite limiting health condition which could be what was meant by "suffering"). Then the entity tells me a precise date of the past, from way before I was born (like 1969/08/13) without any context. She then assures me that she likes me, I quickly see the Silhouette of her face again and then she disappeares and the experience comes to an end. If you feel like you have anything of value to add to all of that, feel free to do so. I don't have any idea what these experiences really are.

No. Sounds like a pharmaceutical pill, right? What does it do for you?

What I do at the moment at moderate dosages (1V-lsd) is to bring up the limiting emotions I have. So basically I think about what scares me and then really feel into it and allow it to be. It seems like in these states the energy of these emotions flows again as opposed to being stuck. You get all of these stuck, pent up emotions out of their repression and can finally release them. The body reacts with wild movements like heavy shaking, but this feels healing. Then sometimes I get an urge to cry out the accumulated pain and thus I do exactly that. I feel like I'm improving with this procedure.

Cool. Feel free to share I'll ask you for help if that turns out to be true ?

Because you did not dream him up to do so. Just like when you're 5 ft 9 tall you're dreaming yourself up to not be 6 ft tall (as God, not as an ego).

@davecraw I have no idea of Solipsism (as in direct experience) but I'd still like to point out what I think you might be getting wrong (according to what I understand Solipsism means). The way the word Solipsism has often been used here (in my understanding) is as follows: when you are experiencing your life as "davecraw" then davecraw's bubble of perception (or pov) is all there is. Everybody else is a figment of your consciousness. It's like God creating all of your experience out of "dream stuff" (i.e. consciousness) while simultaneously being unaware that it is creating it. When you then awake you become aware of how you're creating reality as God, but in this moment your identity is not "davecraw" anymore, it's everything which you are perceiving. According to this model of reality I'm just a dream character without my own pov, I'm simply however you dream me up to be (you as in God, not the illusory davecraw). I personally don't believe that this is how reality works, but consider that I also don't know how it actually works, I merely have some kind of intellectual understanding of different models of reality. Now I don't know why you'd think that I should be able to tell you your 4 digit code within this model of reality called Solipsism, if anything that would be true for what is typically called "oneness", where reality is just one big thing that includes you and others, at least as illusions. Within this "oneness" model you'll typically hear things like "I am you" "We are all one" and so on. Though it's important to understand that this does not literally mean "Federico = davecraw" in the finite, relative sense. It means something more like this. Any separation between you and me is an imagined limitation. This imagined limitation exists because God dreams it up. One does not simply overcome this limitation by trying very hard to see your 4 digit code in my mind (as Federico) because that's what "Federico" means. "Federico" is just a dude bro, he's not some psychic with paranormal powers unless God imagines him to be this way. Federico could awaken to God though and become God. But if he does that he's not going to be Federico anymore (in the typical exclusive sense) because the imagined boundaries of Federico will have dissolved and then consciousness becomes aware of what consciousness is, which is everything, which is God. But God is then not going to sit there and be like "oh shit...but now I really have to proof to davecraw that I know his 4 digit code - through Federico"...no! God doesn't care about such petty human ego nonsense in its fully awake state, only as an ego unaware of God it would want to do that. Also: God already knows your 4 digit code - as you! Do you know your code? If so, God knows your code. It's more like you are a water molecule in the ocean and I'm a water molecule in the ocean. So we can experience ourselves as that molecule or as the entire ocean, but when we are the entire ocean we're not gonna be concerned about the state of a single molecule. But then please also consider that people actually have experienced very extraordinary things in very expanded states of consciousness where they were indeed not limited by the ordinary limits of time and space. Like someone is on a couch in one city having a high dosed lsd trip, but within this lsd experience travels to a completely different location thousands of miles away, where he can derive extremely specific information about that other place even though he's never physically been there. Or 2 people tripped at the same time and were able to read each other's thoughts and could later confirm to each other what they were thinking during the trip. So crazy "paranormal" things do happen within consciousness too. I hope this does help somewhat.

Those are some pretty crazy experiences you mentioned there. I'd assume that you're balls deep in things like meditation and/or yoga, right? Anyway I wonder if any of these experiences mean anything or if they point to anything. Like in my example with the entity giving me this very specific date and telling me that "I must choose somebody who suffers instead of me", is this complete fantasy nonsense or potentially meaningful stuff?

Excellent! Good idea, had the same experience myself (nothing happening in a holotropic breathing session), but it could in fact take several times. Would be curious to know whether now, after having opened my unconscious mind several times with lsd, unconscious stuff would come to the surface more easily with holotropic breathing work ? Feel free to report back here if either psychedelics or the breathwork yield any kind of results for you.

@Lana Faye I want to add a somewhat more controversial view here, just in case nothing else helps you might want to contemplate whether this stuff could be relevant: If you study the work of Stanislav Grof (a psychiatrist and the "godfather of LSD therapy") you will learn that the process of giving birth can potentially bring up the emotions and sensations you felt during your own birth (which is a type of trauma that virtually everybody has according to Grof, it just won't necessarily create obvious problems later in life because it is repressed and thus unconscious). If you're interested check out what ChatGpt says in the added screenshots:

So you mean "trastorno por déficit de atención con hiperactividad" with TDAH, as in adhd? ? Sure. This suggests that some specific work is necessary, apart from meditation. I don't know how you view the use of psychedelic substances, but I can just quickly tell you about my own experiences with lsd in the context of dealing with a chronic stress condition, which is a dysfunction of the nervous system. In my moderately dosed lsd trips tons and tons of stress come to the surface, it's like I open a barrel filled with stress and then the stress can flow out of it. My body reacts so strongly that I'm lying on the matrice twitching like a fish on land who's struggling because of the oxygen deficiency. I don't even get to where forgotten childhood incidents become conscious again because there is so much current or recent stress that comes up and gets abreacted by the body. It feels very healing though, like the anxiety is flowing out of me. So maybe you'd like to contemplate if that's an option for you too (be modest on the doses though, especially in the beginning). You'd have to research whether with your specific mental health challenge you'd be at an increased risk of suffering adverse effects from psychedelic states. Apart from that, meditation combined with some kind of regression therapy and maybe emotional freedom techniques (Eft) is what I would suggest.

@Recursoinominado is it general sort of vague anxiety or specific anxiety in response to specific triggers/situations? In general meditation is said to be effective in reducing anxiety, mostly due to neuroplastic changes in the brain, like a decrease of activity in the fear center of the brain (the amygdala in the limbic system) and strengthening of the prefrontal cortex which is involved in the down regulation of irrational fear responses from the amygdala. So basically your brain becomes more balanced from meditation. But it's important to understand that if your anxiety has significant roots in traumatic incidents or developments (especially during childhood) then you will probably also have to do more specific work, like trauma release techniques, UNLESS you become extremely advanced in meditation, because these memories and the formed associations are a root cause of your current anxiety even if the anxiety seems vague and unrelated (random).

That is progress my friend!