Federico del pueblo

Sure. But when someone comes to me and says "I know that the moon is hollow and that there are Aliens living inside of it who control everything that's happening on planet earth" Can we now say that these claims are completely false, completely correct or something else?

@bloomer Not true. There doesn't have to be a girl already attracted to you for another girl to become attracted to you. You only have to (ideally) act AS THOUGH other girls are attracted to you, to make girls attracted to you, but even that is not absolutely mandatory. You have to realize that girls are needy too, you don't have to be hyper non needy, just a bit less needy than her is enough. You could even act vulnerable and admit your anxiety like "Hey, I'm shitting my pants and you seem out of my league, but anyway, I thought you looked interesting so I wanted to come by for a moment" Ironically admitting your insecurities can sometimes be perceived as less insecure than acting confident when you're feeling insecure, because you know, when you show your insecurity, at least you are confident enough to show your imperfection, if you hide your insecurity you are afraid of other people seeing your weakness which can make you look insecure.

These are a lot of very exaggerated beliefs, do they actually stem from first hand experience? I mean if you live in a tiny town with two night clubs and you walk from one girl to another saying "hey, you look fucking hot, let's go home" then ok, it will happen. But it's not like bars and clubs will punish you for pro social behaviour like going to people saying "Hey, you guys look like interesting people, how's your night going?" Lol. I think you guys create these over the top beliefs to have more excuses not to take action. I've been to so many clubs and bars and I've been thrown out of ONE club because I talked to some girl who happened to be the girlfriend of the club owner ? Other times were just because I was so fuckin drunk that I fell asleep sitting on some box.

@bloomer In the beginning your new thoughts feel like bullshit because they are against your existing beliefs. Though you just assume them to be true even though it feels silly. You ignore evidence for your existing negative beliefs and instead gather evidence for the validity of your new beliefs. You will start making new experiences which at some point will be more positive than your current experiences (or expected experiences). You apply certain principles like non neediness and therefore start to step by step make better experiences, which become positive reference experiences for the new beliefs you want to create, e.g. "girls are attracted to me" etc. You will simply embrace the fact that your new thoughts are (or seem like) bullshit knowing that this is what needs to be done to change the wiring of your brain (you LITERALLY change your mind, but it's a continuous process).

That's the kind of bath in steel you have to go through to become strong. You may very well have sex with a girl before 500 approaches, especially if your standards are not incredibly high. Don't expect to have sex with a model within your first few hundred approaches, but normal girls should be possible. You'll have to change all of these limiting beliefs like "nobody wants to talk to other people" etc. Start assuming things like "everybody wants to meet new interesting people, and I'm one of them". You have to start somewhere... Rejections are not bad, but opportunities to grow and have fun with. Just wonder "what was funny about this rejection?" and then keep going. A successful approach is accomplished the moment you managed to utter a sound to a stranger, from this point forward you will rate the approach as a 100% succes, even if you vomit in the girls face and shit your pants out of fear that same moment, or she throws her drink at you. I know all of this feels like you have to bullshit yourself, and that's true. Though you are already bullshitting yourself anyway with your negative thoughts and assumptions, so you'll keep bullshitting yourself just with more helpful bullshit ok? Good luck.

It might. But it will also come across as awkward if you don't say anything at all and stand there silently in the corner with a drink in your hand. The main reason you'll come across as awkward will be your anxiety and probably weak delivery. You could also say these openers as though they just came to your mind right before talking to the people, not like you're saying some memorized line. You can always still think of something spontaneously yourself and say that.

Seminar for year 1: Go out and talk to people Seminar for year 2: implement all of the attraction tactics etc. Just think of a view things you can use as canned openers and use them, this is ok, because you won't be able to think of something spontaneously due to your fear and lack of experience. "Hey you guys look like fun, so I wanted to say hi" "Hey, you look interesting, so I was intrigued and wanted to meet you...Hi I'm bloomer, what's your name?" "Hi, you guys have some great vibes goin on here, so I wanted to come by for a moment, I'm bloomer, who are you?" "You look like cool people and I think cool people should meet other cool people..." Or make your own versions.

I can grasp that. Though, why is it completely effortless to have the NYC experience if I live there and a lot of work to have the spaghetti monster experience including the use of a substance? It still seems like there are different realms. Also if I really did use Salvia and then see the spaghetti monster you could probably videotape me during my trip and not find any spaghetti monster in the video, whilst for me it would have been clearly there and more real than anything else. So now that everything is imaginary, what should stop someone from claiming that God is indeed a bearded man in the clouds? I mean if he can imagine such a thing, isn't it then true in a sense (or just as imaginary as e.g. the city of New York)?

Do you still have the link to that video? ?

That's funny because I had exactly the same thought "where is actually this Emerald girl? She used to post a lot." And I have no idea of course.

that "if I were gay" sounds suspicious to be honest... ?

I mean there is no thing that absolutely doesn't matter at all to any woman. Ofc you will find some women to whom D size matters, just like to some women it matters if you have tattoos or not.

Hi man. I must say that you have really changed a lot!!

I was just kidding with my post, to see how much outrage it would cause ??

Ok, thanks for all the answers!

Thanks! This clarifies a lot! But one more question: If I took an axe and chopped my index finger off, for the rest of my human lifetime I would not get my finger back (not attached to the hand at least). But if I took a high dose of salvia and then saw the flying spaghetti monster (lol) and it would act aggressively and bite my index finger off, probably after the trip I would still have my index finger right? Is this because I imagine the physical laws of the universe to be completely real or for another reason? Could it be any different than how I described too?

A big D.

I totally agree. But those are things that would be a completely normal part of "conventional game". Though in regards to the original questions of the OP: I don't see a necessity to have a game style that is mostly centered around creating compliance as the main strategy. "Normal game" works well when done correctly and there is enough space in it to include some compliance, so I don't think the weel has to be reinvented. But anyway, what do I know...

I agree, but still assertiveness and leadership must be calibrated and happening within a context where they make sense, and they tend to make more sense when at least a little bit of attraction has already been established. Otherwise I would just walk around and say things like "Hey girl, undress yourself NOW!!!" "Hey you, suck my D$#!" and it would work because I'm being so assertive. But yeah, one must test these things to know for sure.

@Jenkins As I said in the first post, bringing up the fact that you're not looking for anything serious early (minutes to a few hours after approaching) will often lead to rejection. It screams "so he just wants to f#$k me" to the girl and therefore she may reject interacting with you rather early, or will put up many obstacles to sex. Guys usually get laid by doing the opposite I.e. framing it like sex is a win for her. You don't owe it to a girl to communicate your specific relationship intentions (or a lack thereof) so early. And when this issue comes up you can say "I'm currently in an episode where don't want to be committed and just enjoy my single life and explore what types of girls I like etc., if you want to we can keep this thing that we have going, but at the moment I can't offer more, it has nothing to do with you, it's just a lifestyle choice I made for myself, at least for some time" or something similar.

Honestly I think this dude is just plain wrong. Why would you want to do something for someone if you don't even like him a little bit? Imagine a girl you find completely unattractive says "pls hold my drink for a second" before you have even spoken to her. Even if you do hold her drink, you are then not gonna also buy her a drink and then drive her home in her car and then eventually have sex with her just because you complied to her in the beginning. Attraction creates a level of willingness to comply and a willingness to qualify. Without attraction no compliance is gonna happen IMO. Outer game definitely does build value, but if your delivery completely sucks, then it won't. The worse your inner game is the more likely your outer game delivery will be off, because you're not believing in what you're saying and seem incongruent as a consequence. That's what makes game hard.

Just read my post, that's all you need to know really. This other stuff is overcomplicated and partially toxic ("then she gets punished" lol). Watch Leo's latest series on getting laid and if you want to still get more technical I'd recommend Todd V dating.

But isn't that exactly the sort of narcissistic, delusionally confident behaviour that will ruin my life as you said?

I think he means that e.g. bartending enables him to just be around attractive girls a lot, even if it's just the hot co workers, dancers or whatever, so he can desensitize. But also bartenders get a lot of attention from the girls in the bar, often collecting a lot of numbers.

Inner game is huge but to say that it's only about inner game is a bit off imo. Because the question is, if you haven't been super good with girls from the beginning, where is your amazing inner game supposed to come from???!!! You can work on your insecurities to some degree even before doing game. Your negative beliefs and so on. But you'll still need to develop an understanding of what seduction looks like, i.e. understanding the outer game. In practice you will build your inner game over time, by doing inner work and outer work simultaneously, you go out and correctly apply the principles and techniques and hopefully gain positive reference experiences. These positive experiences encourage you to do the successful behaviour again, which will lead to more positive experiences, which will in turn increase your confidence again (= better inner game). After many positive reference experiences you will then have changed certain beliefs, or at least you are enabled to do so. E.g. you can start to think "It seems like hot girls often like me" and you will know this statement to be true due to your past experiences. Your improved beliefs about your attractiveness will make it easier and easier to do correct outer game behaviours, because if you believe that your hot you're gonna act as though you're hot. When you act as though you're hot around attractive girls and then also maintain your frame when you're being challenged by the girls ("shit tests"), then the girls will subconsciously assume that you must be good with girls in general (because otherwise you wouldn't be able to behave like this), which usually creates attraction. In short: If you look like you're getting laid, then you're gonna get laid! P.S.: From what I've seen from John Anthony on YouTube he seems like a very toxic guy, his whole marketing strategy is to talk shit about other coaches, that's really a red flag for me.