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Wonder if this whole Campus situation in America has anything to do with the Rafah operation which I assume is going ahead ? Deflection, distraction, then destruction.

Each groups narrative of home and heritage fuels a cycle of conflict. Words are imbued with the power of the histories they carry, and the word Zionism for the Jews symbolises hope but for the Palestinians is one loaded with the weight of the Nakba and continuous displacement adding to that load till today. That’s why people react to it negatively - not because of what it envisaged or started but because of how it started and what is done in its name till today. What is sanctuary to one is stolen soil to another. Israelis have to face the fact that the safe haven they constructed for themselves out of necessity is neither safe nor a haven as long as it exiles the natives in the process. The process of their return is engineered top down with the help of colonial powers at the time (and maintained by their help today) - rather than a grassroots movement that comes more organically and naturally to the local habitat. The implementation of Zionism has evolved into an imposition, a structure forcibly embedded rather than naturally emerging within the local environment it seeks to inhabit. This imposition destroys Palestinian life at its worst and disrupts daily life for Palestinians at its best by making the mundane tasks of life into the militant. When traveling to work, visiting family and farming ancestral land is consistently militarized with checkpoints and surveillance, the response from those under it naturally escalates against this humiliation. Militant conditions can expect militant reactions.

@Bobby_2021 Good analysis. A narrative you’ll never hear in the West lol. Iran can produce these missiles like cigars. They penetrated Israel’s two most sensitive and highly defended air bases and sites. Westerners and ultra-Zionists can keep thinking the escalatory actions of their states make them ‘safer’ if they wish. This wasn’t intended to be destructive by Iran but demonstrative - yet it’s spun as an Israeli victory, the same way Ukraine was led down its path by hubristic blindness on part of the vested interests.

@Nivsch Romanism = The aspiration to establish a Roman state in the land they had sovereignty in the past (Israel /Palestine for 400 years) Ottomanism = The aspiration to establish a Ottoman state in the land they had sovereignty in the past (also Israel/Palestine for 400 years) Its not just the value of something by itself, but the cost of it that matters. We can value aspirations, and they may be fine and good as they stand alone - but when the cost of these nationalistic aspirations means the extermination of another groups identity, expulsion of them from the land, and occupation and subjugation of those that remain - that is a cost too high. That cost includes backlash and 'resistance' which includes terroristic elements, Israel is paying this cost till today including the cost of alienating itself from the world. Saying Zionism is noble and good and any critique of it is bad or misunderstood can miss the point and fine line where Zionism becomes Ultra-Zionism - a more extremist fundamentalist version of itself. Because the lines are blurred, many Zionists have and hold Ultra-Zionist talking points and positions without realising it. 'Normal' Israeli's criticise Netanyahu while remaining unified in their governments support for unleashing Hiroshima-level destructive force on Gaza. The polls show majority of Israelis didn't think Israel went hard enough on Gaza - after dropping multiple Hiroshimas worth of bombs on a strip of land a 3rd of the size, and much more populated. They exclaim to care for the hostages (which they use like a smoke screen for their ulterior agenda) - yet rain down dumb bombs on exactly where their beloved hostages are held. Defending Ultra-Zionism is like defending a workplace bully who's aspiration is to climb the corporate ladder at any cost. He cuts lines, takes credit for others work, shoves children and steals seats on the bus from the elderly on his way to work so he can suck up to his boss and get brownie points. Its one thing to have aspirations, it's another to execute them at any cost.

The point of using the term zionist is in fact to differentiate between the different shades of Jewish people ie apply nuance to complexity. Not every Jewish person is a zionist or a ultra-zionist. Imagine discussing Islamic terrorism and addressing terrorists as 'da muslims be crazy' implying that every muslim is a Islamist. Ardent zionists seem to be incapable of self-awareness and applying their same line of logic to the very people they harm in their obsession with themselves. Case in point:

Same can be said for Palestinians. The Western narrative only wants to look at the latest scene ie October 7th and overlooks the context of the situation. I wonder why most of the world looks at the West in contempt with regards to its handling of this situation. The US doesn't support a two-state solution, the US only supports saying the US supports a two-state solution. It only supports its freedom to noble speech and virtue signalling, but not any tangible action in line with that speech.

Makes one question who is the more rational actor or not. Saw this interesting comment on Twitter: “The IDF openly says several (i.e., more than one) Iranian missiles hit Nevatim. They say that 5-7 missiles hit the base and gloat at Irans failure. Iran was not seeking a knockout blow, but rather a demonstration of capability. Nevatim was defended by the world’s most advanced integrated anti-missile defense shield which incorporated Arrow 2, David’s Sling, THAAD, and Patriot 3 with the AN/TPY-2 X-band surveillance and targeting radar. This system was designed to exclusively defend against the Iranian medium-range ballistic missile threat. And yet…5-7 missiles hit Nevatim. The Israelis have acknowledged 2 runways and three warehouse structures hit. Not a knockout blow—it wasn’t intended as such. But any BDA expert would note that the point of impact was center mass, a clear indication of precision guidance. 5-7 missiles hit the world’s most heavily defended location, defeating an integrated ABM defense that was custom built to defeat the missiles it failed to shoot down. The point of this exercise is to note that if Iran had send 30 missiles at Nevatim, the base would be inoperable. Israel knows this. So does the U.S. Army. Which is why Iran has achieved strategic deterrence over Israel without a single loss of life compared to Israel’s. Which was the whole point of the operation. Were Israel to retaliate in a tit for tat and escalate from this point it would indicate an irrational leadership in Israel with a deadly arrogance that blinds them. Iran also seized a ship of the wealthiest families in Israel (Ofers) and the worlds largest shipping company to demonstrate their control of the strait of Hormuz and the capability of shattering the energy markets and global financial system were their existence to be threatened. Who is the more rational, restrained actor in the region?” They seek deterrence through demonstration rather than devastation.

Worrying escalation if true - hard to tell these days with how viral false news can be but major outlets now talking about it. Iran usually gesture symbolically and attack via aiding proxies but this time things seem different and more direct.

“Russia is already at war with us.” ''We used the CIA to funnel money and weapons to Chechen rebels to help foment violence intended to break up Russia into component parts. We used the CIA to create a malignant political “opposition” designed to undermine the Russian government. We continued to push for the expansion of NATO to include Ukraine even though a sitting U.S. Ambassador warned it could lead to war. We facilitated a violent coup in Ukraine for the purpose of installing an anti-Russian ultra-nationalist government. We allowed the CIA to build 12 bases inside Ukraine for the purpose of carrying operations targeting Russia. We built a Ukrainian military designed for the sole purpose of fighting Russians. We facilitated the genocide of Russians in the Donbas by supporting Ukrainian/German/French non-compliance with the Minsk accords. We ignored all efforts by Russia to resolve the Ukrainian issue peacefully. We supplied tens of billions of dollars in military assistance to Ukraine in order to sustain a conflict we hoped would lead to the strategic defeat of Russia. You have a warped understanding of the world, General. Russia isn’t at war with us. We’re at war with Russia.'' Source:

Good and valid points from everyone including OP. Here is a interesting video with quite a bit of depth as to modern dating dynamics and the problems being faced:

While it may be true that 2 million Palestinians live well alongside Jews in Israel, it overlooks the underlying tensions that exist. I know Palestinians living in Tel Aviv and Nazareth who barely share anything on social media regarding the situation or even like/comment on things to avoid any possible issues with the authorities. It also fails to account for the 5 million other Palestinians, of which 2 million reside in the besieged Gaza Strip, and the 3 million living under military occupation in the West Bank. This is the reality that most refer to when they speak of apartheid in the Israel. "Pinkwashing" is when a country uses its relatively progressive LGBTQ+ rights policies and representation as a way to distract from or deflect criticism from its human rights abuses. The argument is that Israel purposefully highlights its inclusive policies towards the LGBTQ+ community as a way to portray itself as a tolerant, modern democracy, while simultaneously perpetuating human rights abuses and an occupation of Palestinian territories. While no one denies LGBTQ+ rights progress in Israel, it shouldn't be used as a political tool. This becomes a 'human rights industrial complex' which co-opts the very movements it claims to champion, using them as tools of oppression rather than instruments of freedom.

What wasn’t new to many on this forum but is now becoming news to many of Israelis allies: Shapiro’s comedic response.

You can't un-need needs, communities are formed around facilitating those needs and/or as cathartic echo chambers for those unable to meet them and to release negative emotions within - anger, shame, frustration, bitterness. These communities can turn into men pretending they don't need women all the whilst operating in a manosphere bubble driven by their sexual needs for women being unmet. Women are consistently warned about the potential dangers posed by men throughout their lives. They're advised to navigate cautiously and be mindful of manipulation. But who extends a warning to men about the intricacies of women? Usually no one. Most men stumble upon this wisdom through the harsh teacher of pain through experience. Natures trick on men is the maternal mirage - the deep, unconditional love men receive from their mothers becomes the model they expect from all women. They believe the same vessel that inflated their esteem is incapable of deflating them through rejection. As these men unearth un-flattering truths, the response is to dismiss them as embittered and having chosen the wrong partner. They're gas lighted and brushed aside. Pain, while an essential checkpoint on the journey to enlightenment, is also the birthplace of hatred. Hate, in essence, is the residue of love disappointed by unmet expectations, leading to suffering. It's the natural reaction to the demise of a cherished falsehood. Men, once blinded by unconditional love for women, perceiving them as universally benevolent and the embodiment of positive femininty, now view the feminine as the exclusive source of their anguish and the destroyer of their innocence. This births misogynists. This skewed perception, painting women as purer and kind, eventually drives men to extremes—either becoming simps or evolving into outright misogynists, just as women who have been hurt typically become misandrists and fan the flames of radical feminism. Yet, this is a transient phase, a coping mechanism to grapple with pain by rejecting and vilifying those who caused it. The journey begins as a fool, blindly trusting and loving, only to transform into a different kind of fool—one who blindly distrusts and hates. The error lies in perceiving them as entirely good or entirely bad. True evolution occurs when it is recognised that people are not categorically good or bad, pure or tainted, selflessly loving or selfishly lustful, but that they are a blend of both. Ignorance makes you love blindly and resentment makes you hate blindly which only prolongs the suffering longer than needed. The operative word in both is ignorance - which is what society should look to rid itself of.

The question with conspiracies is this - was it created by a cabal of elites or opportunistically used by them. In other words, was it a conspired into existence or a natural consequence of life that was later conspired around to take advantage of it. The two extremes are that every major event was conspired into creation or that no conspiracy is possible because the worlds too big and random + a world where a evil cabal exists is too scary to confront and fathom leading to learned helplessness. Truth lies somewhere in the middle - some events are conspired into existence and other times powerful people conspire around events already set in motion by the randomness of life. Countless hours can be spent discussing conspiracies but ultimately whichever the case - the weaponisation of something rather than the creation of it is bad enough to attribute some responsibility and ill intention and put a spotlight on.

Jeffrey Sachs on the Moscow attack: On Macron:

And that they plug into their AI that 20 casualties are acceptable to get 1 junior Hamas member or 100 for a senior member. It seems Israel hide behind Hamas as an excuse to ethnic cleanse, including the excuse of perpetual victimhood and ‘existential threat’. The only nuclear power in the region backed by the worlds superpower is so threatened that they provoke all their neighbours and bomb a Iranian embassy in another country they aren’t even at war with in the first place. And then Israeli spokespeople say to their allies in Europe and America that this threat of Hamas is coming for you and is going to destroy Western civilisation. Trauma distorts our perception of reality. They are hypersensitive to threats due to past traumas the collective suffered (Holocaust being the worst) and amplify small ones into big ones - like mistaking a mouse for a lion. Hamas is a thorn in Israel’s ass, not a Mediterranean tsunami about to wipe Isreal off the map. Past traumas are used to justify present day traumas and agendas. Israel punish the many who have never harmed them because they cannot punish the few who have.

@Karmadhi You used the right word there which is IF true it would be damning for Israel. Here’s the link to the article for easy access whoever wants to read it: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ It’s quite long and in depth. It’s from an independent Israeli magazine and not Al Jazeera so that excuse can’t be used lol. @Nivsch Could it explain the 7 aid workers deaths - how is it that in a de-conflicted safe zone they were struck? And not only once but three times as they were running from the previous strikes? Did the AI malfunction or was it a IDF soldier overlooking this? The point is that the blame can’t be put on the AI similar to how a lot of Zionists scapegoat Benjamin Netenyahu for the cause of all the barbarity. Theres clearly a systemic issue of dehumanisation towards Palestinians among the society that shows itself in the countless videos the world has seen - a relatively high number for such a small population. The AI also isn’t doing all of this on its own - the inputs and data have been put in by humans (IDF). If they can accept 20 civilian deaths for 1 junior commander and 100 for a senior Hamas official that says all you need to know and debunks this ‘humane’ ratio claim. It may hurt Israelis to become aware of such things and they may be in denial of their ‘developed’ society being capable of such things but this is where humility and courage to face unsettling truths is important - though you have been coming on the forum daily to read criticism of your country which shows your good faith and strength to be open to truth - even when forum members have been rude to you, I respect that. But even if we take the death toll out of it - simply displacing almost 2 million people and destroying their homes for nothing to return to and then starving them is by itself appalling. Even injuring 70’000 who have limited or no access to proper care and who are being treated/amputated without anaesthesia is horrific. Yet a lot of Zionists attempt to justify this in their bloodthirsty hunt for Hamas and as a pressure tactic to make Hamas give up. They cry over 134 hostages (that they rain down 2000lb dumb dumbs on) yet hold over a million women and children hostage by their starving stomachs to pressure Hamas - any honest human with a heart can see this as simply wrong.

Genocidal AI Israel has developed an AI called "Lavender" to generate kill lists, with almost no human verification to double check the targets selected by the machine: only a a “rubber stamp” check of about “20 seconds” just to make sure the AI target is male. Moreover, the Israeli army "systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity". In fact Israel developed another automated system called “Where’s Daddy?” used "specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences" In fact the article reveals a ratio, I think for the first time: "according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians... The sources added that, in the event that the target was a senior Hamas official with the rank of battalion or brigade commander, the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander." A ratio of 20 civilians killed for one target works out to about 95% civilian deaths.

IQ is having intellectual horsepower, wisdom is knowing which horse is worth riding on and in what race. Put another way; intellect answers questions, wisdom knows which questions are worth asking and getting answered. The power of AI belongs to those knowing how to use it - which is why Leo’s conversation was so insightful and fascinating. From another thread: Logic and intellect can bring smarts but not wisdom. To have a accurate map of reality and human nature requires humility and courage to face truths that may unsettle us. A mighty intellect can enlarge the ego which will then use the intellect to strengthen any delusions it may have and further rationalise to shield us from staring into reality. Truth requires us to pursue perceived terrifying insights to their conclusions, that in the end may not be as terrifying if only we could get to them. Maybe this is where the warrior spirit of stage red needs to be integrated - the virtue of bravery and courage. Without courage or humility, otherwise intellectual heavy weights are not strong enough to emotionally/spiritually handle their own intellects. They will instead build more elaborate systems of thought that are tightly self-consistent and logical in their own closed loop of delusion. Within their bubble of logic it all maps together cohesively, but none of it survives first contact with reality which it is divorced from. While they exhibit logical thinking (a sign of intellect), the way they apply that logic is flawed and inaccurate, leading to foolish outcomes (signalling lack of wisdom). Cowardly self-delusion dressed up in fancy intellectual lingerie is still just cowardly self-delusion.

“The charity said that its team had coordinated its movements with the Israeli military and that it was traveling in a “deconflicted zone” in two armored cars branded with the World Central Kitchen logo and a soft-skin vehicle.” - NBC News The West are all talk at the moment about it because 7 of their own died. Shame that 30’000 dead (majority women/children), 70’000 injured, almost 2 million displaced and who knows how many 100s of thousands on the brink of starvation wasn’t enough to get them to do something but this just might…

Logic and intellect can bring smarts but not wisdom. To have a accurate map of reality and human nature requires humility and courage to face truths that may unsettle us. A mighty intellect can enlarge the ego which will then use the intellect to strengthen any delusions it may have and further rationalise to shield us from staring into reality. Truth requires us to pursue perceived terrifying insights to their conclusions, that in the end may not be as terrifying if only we could get to them. Maybe this is where the warrior spirit of stage red needs to be integrated - the virtue of bravery and courage. Without courage or humility, otherwise intellectual heavy weights are not strong enough to emotionally/spiritually handle their own intellects. They will instead build more elaborate systems of thought that are tightly self-consistent and logical in their own closed loop of delusion. Within their bubble of logic it all maps together cohesively, but none of it survives first contact with reality which it is divorced from. While they exhibit logical thinking (a sign of intellect), the way they apply that logic is flawed and inaccurate, leading to foolish outcomes (signalling lack of wisdom). Cowardly self-delusion dressed up in fancy intellectual lingerie is still just cowardly self-delusion. *Regarding UK rap in particular, Skepta and Dave are the heavyweights - def check them out.

Saddest thing about the aid workers being hit by the IDF is that much needed aid has been turned around and heading back to Cyprus. Typically, when numerous videos showcasing extremist views and actions circulate online from a country, it suggests to the public there's an issue with extremism among its population. The perceived scale of this issue will vary based on whether the country has a large or small population. For Israel, the volume of extremist content that emerges appears to be quite high relative to its population size. In contrast, if a similar quantity of material were to come from the United States, it might be more easily dismissed as representing a smaller fraction of its vast population, which exceeds 300 million, compared to Israel's roughly 10 million.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu “Israeli legislators have approved a bill paving the way for a ban on Al Jazeera and other international news outlets perceived as posing a threat to security”. IDF clearly have the capability to target with precision yet there always seems to be “collateral damage” this time citizens of the UK, Australia, Canada. Some comments saying it’s a failed Hamas rocket that fell.

@Nivsch True, even if people expect more of Israel as they are more developed the point is under international law all parties are equal subjects to the law. Even by international law - a occupying power has more obligations to those it occupies. When someone has more resources and rights than another group that usually comes with more responsibility and expectation - international law attempts to equalise that to an extent. Forced expulsion, displacement and creating uninhabitable conditions for a group in their homeland can all constitute "deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to destroy the group" under the genocide definition from the UN Geneva convention. Its one thing to go after Hamas, but the entirety of Gaza is being levelled to the ground and food crops and plants being grazed and uprooted - which means it is uninhabitable. Collective punishment can tend to sound like a casual slap on the wrist for being naughty but when it becomes the intentional eradication or expulsion of a people it starts to fall under the banner of genocide. Also, genocide doesn't have to be written in state policy for it to be true - of course it won't be. Check the video below: The argument that warning civilians before destroying their home makes a nation moral is also false. Whilst that definitely minimises loss of physical life, that home was part of someones life. People get upset when they lose or damage their belongings - imagine them losing their homes with no insurance to re-home them. Being warned their about to lose their home is like a robber warning someone he's about to rob them - it doesn't make it any better and in fact is traumatising.