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Blatant hypocrisy? The West are supporting Ukraine that's full of neo-Nazis who hate Jews and then go on to support Israel in the name of supporting the Jewish people and their homeland. Remember when the Canadian parliament applauded a man who fought for the Nazi's just last month then backtracked once it got media attention and backlash. Western imperialists don't actually stand for what they claim to stand for, and their framing of where they stand in these conflicts is a cloaked lie. The empire just supports who it supports because that's where its interests happen to be at the time. What is hypocritical is inflicting violence and destruction throughout the world in order to pursue planetary hegemony while lying about your reasons for doing so. Concepts like democracy and human rights are not values they wish to promote as much as they are political sticks used against adversarial nations - these nations are aggressively criticized for human rights violations and lack of democracy. It also appeases domestic Westerners as it gives us a sense of righteousness - that our states are going to instill great values and democracy to those nations. It allows us in the West who are comfortable and not used to harsher realities to stomach our empire going around the world dick swinging its power and causing carnage. Paying lip service to democracy and human rights is just one tactic in their playbook to create the façade of moral authority, all the while tactfully undermining governments that go against them.

I'd struggle to imagine being at the mercy of terrorist captors, maybe we can ask Gazans though. Not sure how the hostages have been treated but just to point out that some view them as completely barbaric and wanting to kill Jews (and some of them are and did on October 7th) and they haven't gone and killed the hostages all the while being bombarded to an absurd degree. Can you imagine having 25'000 tonnes of bombs dropped on where you are in Gaza - equivalent to 2 nuclear bombs. Hiroshima's bomb was 15'000 tonnes for comparison, and Hiroshima is about 3 times bigger than Gaza. And you have to try keep hostages safe in this situation with your life on the line doing so - apparently people you utterly hate. Whats vile is the attitude towards Palestinians and the dehumanization of them. Whilst this whole hostage swap is going on people are wondering 'hey, how come Israel have women and children prisoners.' to begin with. Even the liberal leftist opposition party in Israel claims that most of the deaths in Gaza are just terrorists hamas fighters.

The irony is that Hamas are portrayed as barbaric Jew haters but have done their best to protect their hostages despite being bombarded by the hostages host country who is their adversary. Lets see if these hostages will be allowed to speak on their experience as the two ladies did and the media had a melt down at them speaking of their positive experience - with the one lady shaking hands and saying bye to the Hamas guy even lol.

Though not pragmatic this may help stomach what happened on a psychological level. In the twisted dance of relationships, women are consistently warned about the potential dangers posed by men throughout their lives. They're advised to navigate cautiously, to be mindful of manipulation, to test and approach with caution. Their defenses, even in moments of naivety, remain steadfast. But who extends a warning to men about the intricacies of women? The answer is nobody. Most men stumble upon this wisdom through the harsh teacher of experience, paying the steep price in the currency of pain. As these men unearth the less-than-flattering truths, often paying with the currency of their soul through human suffering, the response is to dismiss them as embittered and having chosen the wrong partner. They're gas lighted and brushed aside. Pain, while an essential checkpoint on the journey to enlightenment, is also the birthplace of hatred. Hate, in essence, is the residue of love disappointed by unmet expectations, leading to suffering. It's the natural reaction to the demise of a cherished falsehood. Men, once blinded by unconditional love for women, perceiving them as universally benevolent and the embodiment of positive femininty, now view the feminine as the exclusive source of their anguish and the destroyer of their innocence. This births misogynists. This skewed perception, painting women as purer and kind, eventually drives men to extremes—either becoming simps or evolving into outright misogynists, just as women who have been hurt typically become misandrists and fan the flames of radical feminism. Yet, this is a transient phase, a coping mechanism to grapple with pain by rejecting and vilifying those who caused it. The journey begins as a fool, blindly trusting and loving, only to transform into a different kind of fool—one who blindly distrusts and hates. The error lies in perceiving them as entirely good or entirely bad. True evolution occurs when you recognize that they, like you, embody both good and evil. People are not categorically good or evil; they are a blend of both. The power to be a predator or a protector lies in your hands, and your destiny is a choice you make on your path. Ignorance makes you love blindly and resentment makes you hate blindly which only prolongs the suffering longer than needed.

Good list. This is a awesome site, thanks for sharing. The main archetype that comes to mind for red is that of the Warrior. Red is the warrior, Blue is the King (order, logos, religious), Orange is the magician (intellect, creativity, capitalism), Green is the lover (inclusive, equality, gaia). So how can we use the warrior in a developed way and what is the value of the warrior? Some thoughts: In the dance of masculine and feminine energies, men are assigned the task of bringing order to feminine chaos. Paradoxically, to maintain their masculinity, men require a dose of chaos, and it's the destructive element within man's chaos that makes man masculine. The arena of domestic and work life defined by stability and order doesn't provide the chaos that fuels a man's masculine essence or his warrior aspect. Here, he's the builder of order, domesticated by the constructive tasks of bringing stability and fostering the development of those that depend on him at home and at work via his work duties. Yet, to achieve a integrative wholeness, the constructive domestic and commercial plane must find its counterpoint in the destructive realm. Instead of merely bringing order on external chaos, a man must actively engage in the chaos and destruction of his own endeavors, embracing competition and taking risks, flirting with adventure and life in the arena as a warrior would. A man who shies away from competition, avoids risks, and refuses to dance with chaos and destruction becomes a tamed soul, subdued by duty but robbed of his warrior spirit. In doing the right thing by avoiding the wrong, he inadvertently loses a part of himself and is no longer virile enough to do the right. This is why a man needs a parallel existence beyond the confines of his domestic and commercial domain—a space where he can freely immerse himself in the chaos and destruction that preserves the vitality of his youthful audacity, all without jeopardizing the domestic and commercial domain which requires stability and order. What value does the warrior spirit bring? I'd say the main one of courage. If we have developed our rationality and intellects at a expense of courage, they will be misused. Courage means the courage to face truth. Now if we have rationality and intellect but don't want to face raw truths we will instead use rationality emotionally. We create a great many theories and get lost in a subjective echo chamber of them. We rationalize around truth rather than be rational about the truth. We twist narratives to fit our sentiments and feelings. Which is what we have currently in the West. We can call it a ignorant intellect - one which fears truth and use the intellect and cognitive horsepower to avoid it. A rational society (stage orange and above) is more developed than a less rational one (stage red, blue) but where the rational society malfunctions and starts to appear less developed or more clown worldish is when they use rationality in this way. Rationality helps us understand different perspectives - moral relativity. The West has indulged this and experimented but hasn't progressed to a mature rationality which not only understands but can then discern which perspectives are more valuable than others - and isn't afraid to face this. It gets stuck at moral relativity and subjective games of being able to identify however we wish. Moral relativity is like a windmill going in all directions rather than a compass in a single one. If we get stuck going round and round on the moral relativity windmill we will become dizzy, dazed and dissilussioned unable to make sense of the world without direction. This is where courage and the warrior aspect is needed to face the truth of a hierarchy existing, that there can be good and bad, better and worse (but not in such a black and white way) and to have the warrior act of hunting for its prey with eyes on the prize - a destination with a compass to progress on rather than be lost. Basically, the balls are needed as much as the head. The heart balances the two.

Israel does everything it can to exaggerate the reasons for its bombing campaign including bombing hospitals. For example, the tunnels at Al-Shifa were built by Israel themselves which Ehud Barak confirmed on CNN: They go take out Gaza's largest hospital with false claims of there being a command center and no proof to show for it. That's why the world is angry at Israel, because it's actions have been found to be based on many lies which continue to be caught out. A senior US official said that the death toll caused by Israel’s assault on Gaza is likely far higher than the over 10,000 number being reported by Gaza’s Health Ministry. Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State said: “In this period of conflict and conditions of war, it is very difficult for any of us to assess what the rate of casualties are. We think they’re very high, frankly, and it could be that they’re even higher than are being cited.” After Biden accused the Palestinians of lying about the death toll, the UN and aid groups that have experience in Gaza backed the numbers coming from Gaza’s Health Ministry, saying they’re reliable. An Israeli security source told the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot that Israel has killed around 20,000 Palestinians, but the number has not been backed up by another source. Lets say even if the numbers were doubled by Hamas where they currently are at 14'000, that's still 7'000 dead of which most are women and children.

Maybe another angle to view past vs present problems is that problems still persist and always will, but are the quality of the problems better. I'm simplifying but you could say that the past had more problems related to physical survival, the present has more problems related to psychological survival. Past problems were due to scarcity, present problems are due to abundance. What allowed us to buffer our suffering in the past which had much tougher conditions related to physical survival were things like religion, community, physical activity and connection to the earth. Those have eroded at the expense of urbanization, secularism and materialism - things which have provided us more material comforts (though even those are now in decline) but have cut our spiritual umbilical cords off from what sustains us psychologically. Even the systems such as capitalism which provided a lot more economic growth over the decades are now in their later stages with increasing inequality and decreasing purchasing power and standard of living. So now we not only don't have the deeper aspects of life to fulfill us or the institutions to sustain us but we also no longer have the material wealth and comfort either. Physical, psychological and spiritual downturn. Sure, the outliers can definitely live almost better than ever but isn't that the problem - that only for the few can win and not the most. This is whats given rise to the hustle culture biohacking alpha male culture, because if your less than that you almost put yourself at a severe disadvantage being average in todays world. We were raised in a world of comfort, into a time approaching discomfort - and a lot of younger generations just aren't ready for it.

Analyzing and understanding a act, doesn't mean justifying or approving it. The Western world, because it is developed and more rational naturally asks what is it that led to this attack, and they dig into its wider context which reveals the situation. Yes, Hamas's charter is extreme, thank you for sharing all that information. Within the same source you share you have left out the sections of 'Revised 2017 Charter' and 'Relevance of 1988 Charter in the early 21st century' which also states: ''Ahmed Yousef, an adviser to Ismail Haniyeh (the senior political leader of Hamas), claimed that Hamas has changed its views over time since the charter was issued in 1988. In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons". ''30 years after releasing its founding charter, Hamas unveiled a revised version of the document that appears to soften the group's stance toward Israel. The major takeaway is that Hamas is open, at least in principle, to accepting the 1967 borders of a Palestinian state—a major sticking point in previous failed negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. Its previous position had always been to call for the destruction of the state of Israel.'' - https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2017/05/hamas-strategic-rebranding.html It was wrong for Hamas to rise and form, but the reactionary current that gave rise to the wave of Hamas was that of the formation of Likud party. Hamas is the symptom, the wave on the sea - the cause and current within the sea that gave rise to it is the Likud party formed before it in 1973 with its founding stating it will not give the 'land from the river to the sea' any other sovereign authority ie Palestinians. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party This would rightly be seen as the denial of the possibility of a Palestinian state and so in reaction extremer types of leadership could easily gain popularity against this. Hamas came to be in 1987, 14 years later and here we are. If we take Hamas's charter seriously then we should also take the Likud parties seriously - and both state a one state is all there can be - with Hamas's inciting more violence of course. If we forget about documents from decades ago and just look at the actions taken in more recent time instead. If Israel wanted a 2 state solution, why would they fill up the land that would be the Palestinians (West Bank) with far right orthodox Jews which would make it almost impossible as they would be the most resistant to leaving compared to more secular Jews. And if Israel did want a one state solution and to show the Palestinians that they would live well under Israeli leadership then why have they shown the opposite in the West Bank for example.

You trolling? Most have. And any hesitation isn't because they don't think its terrible - its because they don't want them condemning the October 7 atrocity to be equated with them condemning the cause of the Palestinians. People in extreme situations employ extreme tactics to emancipate themselves from those situations. The flaw of extreme tactics is that it makes the cause come across as a extreme one and thus not valid. Extreme tactics when used rarely as a last resort to amplify attention to the cause in a world apathetic to it can be effective. It becomes ineffective when used regularly as a strategy, that makes it appear as if the status quo of the cause is itself extreme.

@BlueOak Well articulated. @lina Nicely written. Sam Harris is correct in saying Islamism is a virus, but he wrongly conflates a lot with it and misunderstands the Muslim world which is funny as he's written a book on extremism with Majid Nawaz who was a ex-Islamist radical. The difference between Palestine/Hamas and ISIS is that Hamas are a resistance movement that use terrorist tactics, with the goal being localised to their homeland. ISIS is a terrorist movement with the goal of Islamic globalism - all lands. Hamas are defending their homeland, ISIS aspire to dominate all lands. The former is a defensive movement at its core but with terrorist elements and tactics, the latter is a dominating expansionist movement with a radical interpretation of Islam at its core and terrorism as its main strategy rather than just a tool in the toolbox of tactics. Every idea can become a ideology which can ferment extremist strains of itself. Islamist's are violent because human nature can be violent. That can take expression through any culture, context or on any continent. Nature doesn't change, the lens through which it unfolds does - the lens, vessel and human through which nature is nurtured. Its easy to assume that once someone progresses through the stages of Spiral Dynamics, similar to a child maturing into an adult, they are immune to reverting to childlike behaviors or regressing physically like Benjamin Button. However, psychologically, such regression is still possible. People can be like children frozen in adult bodies, and behave animalistically whilst encased in human form. Humans are like Russian dolls that have a beast deep down within that can be visited.They can do the needful when needed to in order to survive. The developed world otherizes groups they see as undeveloped yet don't see how they are capable of behaving in extreme ways they consider only undeveloped people capable of behaving in. They omit the regressive elements of human nature that revisit them and come in through the back door in unassuming ways. A lot of the time they’re not as moral or developed as they think, they're just in a position where they're safe enough to pretend to be. Developed liberals can still have the capacity to terrorize and tribalize, they just terrorize and tribalize in the name of, for and around a different set of values. We can have stage green talking points and positions yet act those out through a stage red disposition and state of being. Likewise the US can have a white house and yet a black heart - the veneer doesn't always match the visceral. Labels often confine us to the actions associated with those labels more than they liberate us. Labels are like psychic chains, nationalities are like psychic cages and literal interpretations of religion act like psychic straitjackets. Each more confining, restricting and stubborn. Now we are in a chicken or the egg situation where extreme terrorist elements exist. But is it that they are extreme innately or that circumstances made them so. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

@Raze The ceasefire will be portrayed as noble and benevolent when it is only due to domestic pressure from the Israeli side with regards to their hostages as you shared, and for the US side to bolster Bidens image and ratings. Interesting article: https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/white-house-fears-pause-in-fighting-will-let-journalists-see-whats-been-happening-in-gaza-d90cd85a3ce1 ''According to Politico’s sources there has been some resistance to the pause in fighting within the administration due to fears that it will allow journalists into Gaza to report on the devastation Israel has inflicted upon the enclave. ''And there was some concern in the administration about an unintended consequence of the pause: that it would allow journalists broader access to Gaza and the opportunity to further illuminate the devastation there and turn public opinion on Israel,” Politico reports. In other words, the White House is worried that a brief pause in the Israeli massacre of civilians in Gaza will allow journalists to report the truth about the Israeli massacre of civilians in Gaza, because it will hurt the information interests of the US and Israel. They are worried that the public will become more aware of facts and truth. Needless to say, if you’re standing on the right side of history you’re not typically worried about journalists reporting true facts about current events and thereby damaging public support for your agendas. But that is the side that the US and Israel have always stood on, which is why the US empire is currently imprisoning Julian Assange for doing good journalism on US war crimes and why Israel has a decades-long history of threatening and targeting journalists. During Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza in 2021 the IDF reportedly targeted more than 20 Palestinian press institutions in the enclave, as well as the tower hosting the international outlets AP and Al Jazeera. During this current onslaught Israel has been killing dozens of Palestinian journalists, sometimes by actively bombing their homes where they live with their families. The IDF’s campaign to wipe out inconvenient news reporters has resulted in the Committee to Protect Journalists calling this the deadliest conflict on record for journalists anywhere, ever. Both the US and Israel have been attacking the press in this way because their governments understand that whoever controls the narrative controls the world. They understand that while power is in controlling what happens, ultimate power is controlling what people think about what happens. Human consciousness is dominated by mental narratives, so if you can control society’s dominant narratives, you can control the humans. This is why the powerful have been able to remain in power in our civilization — because they understand this, while we the public generally do not. That’s why they bombard us with nonstop mass media propaganda, that’s why they work to censor the internet, that’s why Julian Assange languishes in prison, that’s why Israel routinely murders journalists, and that’s why the White House is afraid of what will happen if worldwide news reporters are able to get their cameras into Gaza.''

@Danioover9000 Nicely written. Other peoples always resisted and fought for their lands whether the Vietnamese against the Americans, the Algerians against the French, or the South African and Kenyans against the British. The key difference with Israel / Palestine I see is that while the others fought for their heritage, the Palestinians are fighting not only for their heritage but also for what is holy to them and their religion. That divine holy dimension coming into the mix with the Muslim world rallying behind them fuels them further into resistance. Reminds me of a lovely and poetic book: MIRDAD: Did you not say you would have peace? Prince: Yes, I would have peace. MIRDAD: Then do not fight. Prince: But my neighbour insists on fighting me; and I must fight him that peace may reign between us. MIRDAD: You would kill your neighbour that you may live with him at peace! How strange the spectacle! There is no merit in living at peace with the dead. But a great virtue it is to live at peace with the living. If you must wage a war on any living man, or thing, whose tastes and interests may clash at times with yours, then wage a war on God who caused these things to be. And wage a war upon the Universe; for countless are the things therein that disconcert your mind, and trouble your heart, and willy-nilly force themselves upon your life. Prince: What should I do when I would be at peace with my neighbour, but he would fight? MIRDAD: Fight! Prince: Now you counsel me alright. MIRDAD: Aye, fight! But not your neighbour. Fight rather all the things that cause you and your neighbour to fight. Why does your neighbour wish to fight you? Is it because your eyes are blue, and his are hazel? Is it because you dream of angels, and he dreams of devils? Or is it because you love him as yourself and holds all yours as his? It is your robes, O prince, your throne, your wealth, your glory and the things to which you are a prisoner that your neighbour wants to fight you for. If you would defeat him without lifting a spear, then go forth and declare a war on all these things. When you have conquered them by ridding your soul of their clutches; when you have cast them out upon the rubbish heap, maybe then your neighbour will halt his march, and sheath his sword, and say to himself, ‘Were these things worth a fight, my neighbour would not have cast them away upon the rubbish heap.’ Should your neighbour preserve still be greedily enraged and carry away the rubbish heap, rejoice at your own freedom from such a load, but grieve over your neighbour’s lot. Prince: What of my honour which is worth far more than all my possessions? MIRDAD: Man’s only honour is being Man, God’s likeness and image. All other honours are dishonours. An honour bestowed by men is easily taken away by men. An honour written with the sword is easily effaced by the sword. No honour, O prince, is worth a rusted arrow; much less a burning tear; much less a drop of blood.

You end your comment by sarcastically saying it all falls on Israelis when I literally started my comment by saying of course not everything is Israels fault, just that a lot is. Palestinians do have their flaws and faults, especially Hamas. Taking responsibility is great, but its delusional to take responsibility to such a degree as to not stop a outside agent making your life harder than it has to be and making you play life on hard mode. Not every one's a self help alpha entrepreneur with a hustler mentality or like Andrew Tate who assumes everything is his fault and he'll be the one to fix it lol. For some outlier men that fire under their ass motivates them but for a lot they crumble - especially a society at scale. Sure the Jews may have made a Singapore, they have done remarkably well wherever they've gone and good for them. But that's not the point - that's just pure whataboutism. Having superior capabilities doesn't entitle one group to another groups subjugation - that's a colonial mindset if that is what you inferred. Yes, they erected borders due to what you call attacks but was for them defensive resistance. The audacity lies in considering it acceptable for one group to take the land of another, with whom they lived mostly well for centuries, and were even protected by from European pogroms and persecution. To then engage in negotiations regarding the land they seized from that group, determining how much they will claim and then gaslighting any resistance as barbaric savage terrorism and making them feel guilty for the sins of the Holocaust which weren't theirs to begin with. They are then further gaslighted and labeled anti-Semitic for this when they themselves are semites. How dare they resist, the Palestinians should just be peaceful in their blockaded strip of land where they were once given a controlled amount of calories called starvation+ as to be fed just enough to not die but not in excess as to be strong to resist. And the other Palestinians in West Bank should be at peace with the encroachment of their land via settlement expansion. They should be at peace with their subjugation and humiliation, we should give them the power of now so they can learn the first step to peace is accepting the moment. The Zulus of South Africa, the Mau Mau of Kenya, the Vietnamese, the Afghanis, the Algerians - all should have just been at peace with their settlers and imperialists who they resisted against successfully instead.

@hundreth @Lila9 Of course not everything is Israels fault, but a lot is. How do economies grow? Basic business is trading goods and services. Does Gaza have this right to create goods and services to be provided across its border and back? A key part of motivating people to work is a return on that work. What can they do with this money they earn, can they travel and see the world and have holidays? Can they shop and buy from a buffet of online shopping and have it come across the border? What incentive do they have to work if they won't be able to do anything with the money, none of their dreams can even have the chance of becoming fulfilled. Even if they have the skills, those skills are capped and limited by the materials they are provided - which are limited by the blockade. The first thing they must do is break free of their situation. Have they tried the avenues of protest, yes the march of return in 2018 which failed. Has the international community tried economically pressuring Israel, yes through the BDS boycott movement which is being shut down with anti-boycott laws, 2 state solution is just a pipe dream carrot dangled in front of Palestinians all the while settlements keep expanding in what would be there state which would make it impossible for them to remove (especially settlers as they are the far right orthodox kind). So what are they left to do? And then the Gazans are visited every few years periodically by the IDF for 'mowing of the lawn' or 'cutting the grass' to slowly weaken them and their morale. Death by a thousand cuts to pass under the radar of the international community. In today's world you can't just wipe out a mass of people without being sanctioned, condemned or starting all out war. The population has grown despite their conditions and hardships - not because Israel is benevolent to them and allows them to live well with good intent. Just think, 10'000 people dead and the whole world has protested against Israel, diplomatic ties being cut, Israel's own allies even speaking against Israels actions. Imagine if it was 50'000 or 100'000 dead, that is suicidal for Israel politically, economically and existentially. That's why they don't just go wipe them off in one go, but in a slow manner by making the conditions unlivable or hoping the expel themselves into Egypt/Jordan. ''The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977'' When likud party members share this sentiment and have it in their founding document (from the river to the sea) their not speaking genocidally and only about geographic sovereignty but when the Palestinians who are actually oppressed and occupied use it they can only be referring to genocide and not their own emancipation, freedom and dignity to exist? The word 'occupation' is like a salt to a wound to those who can't seem to stomach a 'developed' country in the 21st century capable of such a thing. Leaving a place but controlling most aspects of it isn’t leaving. Occupying doesn't necessarily mean I'm sitting on your lap taking up all your personal space. If I left your house but controlled your ability to come and go, what was delivered to it, could access your internet and telephone lines and won’t even let you into your garden (for them they can’t use their own sea properly to fish and feed themselves) - that isn’t leaving them alone, its occupying from a distance. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-destroying-gaza-s-fishing-sector Gaza and the West Bank are literally called occupied territories by: The British government- https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/the-occupied-palestinian-territories The European council on foreign relations - https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/opt/ The US - https://www.state.gov/reports/2016-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-and-the-occupied-territories/israel-and-the-occupied-territories-the-occupied-territories/ Wiki - The Palestinian territories are the two regions of the former British Mandate for Palestine that have been occupied by Israel since the Six-Day War of 1967, namely the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has referred to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as "the Occupied Palestinian Territory"

The US fled Afghanistan embarrassingly and have lost Ukraine to Russia - both under Bidens term. He also is probably sick of the comments of him being senile and weak from the public and so its not only his ego that wants to assert some dominance but the empire itself. ''To freeze Ukraine in Europe, the US Hegemon will need an Israeli win in Gaza - perhaps at any and all costs - to maintain even a vestige of its former glory. But can Israel achieve victory any more than Ukraine can? Tel Aviv may have already lost the war on 7 October as it can never regain its facade of invincibility. And if this transforms into a regional war that Israel loses, the US will lose its Arab vassals overnight, who today have a Chinese and Russian option waiting in the wings. The Roar of the Street is getting louder - demanding that the Biden administration, now seen as complicit with Tel Aviv, halt the Israeli genocide that may lead to a World War. But Washington will not comply. Wars in Europe and West Asia may be its last chance (it will lose) to subvert the emergence of a prosperous, connected, peaceful Eurasia Century.''

Israel doesn't allow Palestinians a nation to be protected under in the first place. When you're in the play your emotions can consume you to the point actions are taken that aren't even in your best interest. A lot of the time, it takes a dispassionate look at the situation to come up with the most compassionate solution to it. It's in Israels own interest to not do what its doing now. Israels image and support worldwide has taken a huge hit, the economy will suffer including tourism and the potential for actual anti-semitism has never been higher. Hamas will only gain more recruits and come back again. Even Israels own allies and media supporters aren't able to be as biased in Israels favor due to social media exposing it. Some of us may be watching from the side line but we won't be clapping and cheering at the death or destruction we see unlike Israeli settlers at Sderot cinema:

Fear is a bad adviser, bias a bad interpreter. Neither seek truth but seek information to confirm their versions of truth. Likewise, I would side with the British against a expansionist supremacist ideological war machine wanting to rampage the European continent. In Israel/Palestine's cause they Palestinians don't have such intentions and the false equivocation of the two is a sneaky tactic used to de-legitimize the Palestinian cause. If the Palestinians were so bad, evil and in the wrong - people from the Israeli side wouldn't feel the need to refer to Hamas as Hamas-ISIS or Nazi's in order to justify their actions in Gaza today. They only do this to make a false association and because propaganda is all they have when the don't have the truth of justice or international legalities on their side. Saying all that I can also see the side of the Israeli's. Moral relativism and a mature mind allows us to see all sides, but moral legitimacy and a mature mind can also see whats more just. If the basic premise of Israel occupying the land of the Palestinians is omitted, then every subsequent point of discussion falls flat. Do you consider Palestinian land / territory as occupied?

The flaw of religion and the way its practiced is that it takes myth as literal and a description of historical events (of their prophets) as a prescription for a present where it no longer works - principles that are more timeless can always be used but practices not. The flaw of secularism isn't so much in the state giving up religion to be a neutral governance system as it is the signal this sends socially to the people that religion doesn't hold value and them in turn giving it up - and not replacing that void with any structure to guide them and instead living entirely in the subjective world of moral relativism or scientific materialism with no spiritual depth. In both cases, it isn't so much the state or the religion itself that tends to be the problem but how the people use, interpret and react to them. A secularism that leads people to indulging the subjective world unhinges people from the biological reality they exist in. We can't debase ourselves from reality, the human body is a form through which the formless lives, the mould of our meatsuits allows spirit to unfold, the skeletal structure allows states of being to be. We won't be able to experience the formless without form or states of being without structure. Sure, these things have their flaws. Moulds become moldy, structures become rickety, forms become frigid, and base reality becomes a basement of dark ignorance when not used for what it is - a base to jump from to the heights of spirit. Its funny because secularism has sort of given rise to three splintered extremes. The dogmatically religious, the scientific materialist and the subjective moral relativist where all is fair game in the law of attraction, manifestation and identifying however you so please. - The dogmatically religious = as a result of too much confusion that moral relativity can bring, the flood of information technology supplies and the excess subjectivity wokism puts on display - many people are regressively returning to religion (in its literal form) almost as mental-spiritual refugees. They seek refuge from a dazed world in that which never changes - dogmatic religion. Religion and tradition become anchors in a sea of excess. - The scientific materialist = science and rationality became a new religion but one which scorched life with a materialist lens looking at the surface of life but blind to any depth to it. And because Being is depth, people who have and deny any depth to life or themselves will never be fulfilled by source. Rationality includes knowing when not to be - in matters of heart and spirit. -Wokies = they take the domain and world of spirit and subjectivity and missapply it to objective realty denying objective reality all together. Its not that a spiritual subjective world doesn't exist where probably worlds exist that defy the laws of nature we find on this planet - but they deny that they do live on this planet and under its laws. They do not honor the form in which they have incarnated. It's not so much that religion and science are on different paths but on parallel ones trans-versing the same reality - hopefully to converge one day.

As Elon Musk said they can't take actions in defeating Hamas that only create a Hamas 2.0. With scenes like this and with young fighting age men with no future from a blockaded small strip of land what else are they to do but take up arms to break free of the cage. The slave revolter's of the past weren't called terrorists because people actually could understand what their resisting against.

Politics and power can tend to draw the worst of society to it and draw out the worst aspects of otherwise good people once they occupy powerful political positions. People need to de-personalize critique of the political entities that run their countries. For example when we critique Israel's actions it is taken as a personalized attack on the Israeli people. Caitlin Johnstone wrote on the above video now going viral: ''That such a horrible person could climb his way to the highest echelons of the world’s most powerful government — working on Palestinian affairs no less — illustrates an important point about the US empire and what it is. There are no barriers stopping such creatures from rising to the top of that power structure, just the opposite in fact — they get an express lane to the top. That’s why bloodthirsty swamp monsters like John Bolton, Lindsey Graham, Victoria Nuland and Elliott Abrams find themselves so intimately involved with US policymaking. That’s the true face of the US empire, right there. That’s the empire at its most honest. Not dressed up in affable charm and slick PR work, but sneering and hurling racist invective at immigrants who are just trying to do their jobs in peace. Not performing carefully rehearsed faces of compassion for the Palestinians who are being “tragically” and “unintentionally” killed as “collateral damage” in Israel’s war of “defense” against Hamas, but staring right into the camera and saying “If we killed 4,000 Palestinian kids, you know what? It wasn’t enough.” It’s only when you see clearly that Israel is just an arm of the same empire that’s been murdering people by the millions around the world with nonstop invasions, bombing campaigns, proxy conflicts, starvation sanctions and CIA coups that you understand that, yes, Israel really is exactly as evil as it appears to be, and its behavior in Gaza is exactly what it looks like. The US empire backs Israel for the same reason it backs most of the world’s dictatorships: because a globe-spanning empire can only be held together by nonstop violence and tyranny. Israel and other US-aligned states in the middle east are like the chair and the whip of a lion tamer — weapons used to violently abuse the populations of a crucial geostrategic region into compliance. It suits the empire perfectly to have a nuclear-armed government which exists in a constant state of war in the middle east governed by officials who speak English with American accents and interests which are reliably in alignment with those of the United States.''

Yeah, if we can’t even agree on the basic facts of the situation which are omitted any further discussion won’t make sense. @Lila9 @Nivsch Leaving a place but controlling most aspects of it isn’t leaving. If I left your house but controlled your ability to come and go, what was delivered to it, could access your internet and telephone lines and won’t even let you into your garden (for them they can’t use their own sea properly to fish and feed themselves) - that isn’t leaving them alone. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-destroying-gaza-s-fishing-sector Gaza and the West Bank are literally called occupied territories by: The British government- https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/the-occupied-palestinian-territories The European council on foreign relations - https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/opt/ The US - https://www.state.gov/reports/2016-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-and-the-occupied-territories/israel-and-the-occupied-territories-the-occupied-territories/ Wiki - The Palestinian territories are the two regions of the former British Mandate for Palestine that have been occupied by Israel since the Six-Day War of 1967, namely the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has referred to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as "the Occupied Palestinian Territory"

A lot of the Israeli leadership seem to be extreme. If Israel is a democracy and democracy is meant to be a system which is for the people, by the people and representative of the people then what does that say? A compiled list of extreme statements said by Israeli politicians and people with positions of power or prestige: https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/fighting-amalek-in-gaza-what-israelis Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, 19 November: “I agree with every word of Giora Eiland in this article [in which Eiland called for targeting “the entire Gaza population” and causing “severe epidemics” to break out there]” Advisor to Defence Minister Gallant, former head of National Security Council and former IDF operations chief Giora Eiland, 19 November: “Israel is not fighting a terrorist organization but against the State of Gaza. The State of Gaza is indeed under Hamas leadership, and this organization managed to mobilize all the resources of its state, the support of the majority of its citizens, and the absolute loyalty of its civil administration, around Sinwar’s leadership, while fully supporting his ideology. Minister for Agriculture and former Head of the Shin Bet Avi Dichter, 11 November: “We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba. From an operational point of view, there is no way to wage a war—as the IDF seeks to do in Gaza—with masses between the tanks and the soldiers … Gaza Nakba 2023. That’s how it’ll end”

My guess is that during war time both sides will be too consumed by emotion to unlearn any hatred in the midst of it. Bruises heal if we stop hitting them so I first the conflict needs to stop, then with cooler heads and hearts both sides need to see that hating the other doesn't serve either of them. De-radicalising the collective is a big question with many factors . The simplest thing that comes to mind would be to not be in radically extreme environments. For Israel not feeling like they exist surrounded by threats, for Palestinians not living under an oppressive occupied apparatus.

So when the Zulus resisted the British or the Kenyans or the Vietnamese against the Americans which all ended up in them leaving - that was all because they were racist? If a burglar comes to my house and i defend myself against them its probably only because I'm racist? Frivolous use of the anti-semite word has cheapened it. We can't blame everything on it just like Muslims can't use the Islamophobia label to shut down criticism. It's better for neither to live under the other but in a secular state or their own if they can't live side by side.But if we'r gonna go there, historically whats the track record? Jews lived peacefully over all under the muslims, the Jews were protected and fled to the muslims when they were being prosecuted in Christian Europe which ended in the climax that is the holocaust. What has Israel done with its power and muslims living under the Jews? They've allowed settlers to encroach their lands in the West Bank and displace them further.

Because the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank do have a problem with Israel governing / occupying them. I didn't mean Hamas are green but Israel or the West which you also think are more developed or closer to stage green. My point is they can still be terrorists and tribal but from that stage. For so much talk about logic a lot of people can't seem to see cause and affect and establish a chain of events that lead to October the 7th or how Israels current actions will logically recruit more member for Hamas as Elon Musk rightly pointed out You think Israelis are developed because they believe in evolution and the idea that we are a family with monkeys - yet a lot of Israeli's don't see Palestinians as their own family and cousins to the point they propagandize their kids into genocidal language towards them like below: Does that seem logical, evolved and developed? You misunderstood as you did the other points. If a country or people are developed does that give them the right to rule other countries or people who aren't developed? Are the Japanese more developed than Israel? Should they be allow to govern Israel?