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True, they can’t just simply blame conditions. Ideology and belief definitely influence behaviour. I was just providing some nuance. What doesn’t help is that a lot of them in the countries that host them - have histories of those host countries ruining their heritage countries.

Asians, Latinos, and Eastern Europeans didn’t just waltz in and integrate smoothly either though. Most immigrant groups have been discriminated against. The Chinese were called the "Yellow Peril," Italians were "wops," Irish were "micks." People said they were dirty, lazy or criminal. Propaganda will want you to think every Muslim is one burka away from a rape spree when most sexual assaults are committed by someone the victim knows. Is it "Western values" when Catholic priests fiddle kids? When Hollywood big shots treat actresses like personal fuck toys? When politicians are grabbing pussies? Perhaps thats different because they wear suits instead of robes. The context of poverty, marginalization and trauma are left out of the statistics. A lot of migrants are from war-torn homes, stuck in ghetto-like conditions, denied work or dignity - and we act shocked when some snap. Europe wasn’t some rape-free paradise before the scary brown people showed up. Catholic Church scandals and charming British aristocrats and their "traditions" at boarding schools exist. Rape is about power, not passports. Crime and rape aren’t imports but depraved acts fostered in a Petri dish of horrid conditions.

Maybe it's all a cosmic joke. Maybe this "self" we're so proud of is just a brain fart, free will's a bedtime story, and we're all just meat puppets jerking to the tunes of our DNA. This mess isn't a plan or conspiracy, it's just the universe taking a massive, uncontrolled shit. Or we're like those first fish dragging their sorry asses onto land. New legs, can't walk without stumbling. Our brains too big for our skulls. We fall for every line of propaganda because we haven't figured out the cognitive wings evolution or God has given us. Perhaps one day, we'll shed the shadows from our egos, and trying to sell us war will be like trying to sell a bitcoin to the Amish. Or, maybe the universe is just one big eye, slowly opening. Life is its first blink, humans are its first blurry thoughts. Science is IT rubbing the sleep out, meditation is IT watching its own mind churn, and the internet? That's IT mapping its own nervous system on a neural net. All the chaos? Just the pain of cosmic puberty. The eye's just not awakened yet but we”ll get there.

@Danioover9000 @Karmadhi Gotta be partially trolling but ya never know lol. Democracy - human rights - self defence. These are just some of the lubed up words used to fuck our good conscience into accepting injustice - but we aren’t dumb or numb to the propaganda. Twisting the words of a sky daddy to carve up chunks of Mother Earth for people to fight over? Probably not how the Gods envisioned their divine inheritance being handled by humanity. This thread gets lively on the weekends 😂

True, the key here is balance and health. Religious fundamentalists/nationalists and the liberal left both stifle humanity. The former does so through extreme exclusion while the latter does so through extreme inclusion. Liberals and stage greens recognise the soul of each human compared to stage blue nationalists but their shadow is utopianism- that inherent differences exist with inherent inequalities they’d like to equalise but that they go about equalising in a tyrannical or dysfunctional way.

Stage blue ethnocentrics see themselves as divine architects of a better world, but they’re actually erecting one built on exclusion. Anyone who doesn’t fit into their molds of caste, color, or creed is left out. They bask in a sense of superiority over stage orange because they align themselves with something “transcendental” rather than the supposedly trivial material world. Yet, they’ve haven’t scratched beyond the surface of their own tribe and can’t grasp the essence of their scriptures beyond a literalist reading. Stage blue thinks they’re God-conscious, but they’re merely conscious of the human-made commandments they’ve projected onto a divine reality. They sense an intuition of God consciousness but can’t fully articulate or encapsulate its truth without concocting half-truths laced with falsehoods. The question for the future isn’t whether one believes in God, but how they believe in God. Is God an external entity, humanized to cope with reality’s immensity, imposed upon the world with commandments from a subconscious King archetype? Or is God an essence infused within reality, permeating all and manifesting in every form, yet not external to any form, big or small? Is God witnessed as an inherent quality of the universe rather than a judge from afar?

This US backed raid which Israel isn't capable of alone - killed 3 hostages including a US citizen. This isn't just Middle East policy gone wrong. The US bankrolls, arms and shields Israel from every UN resolution and ICC investigation because a colonial outpost is the perfect watchdog instigator for their oil-soaked golf course in the Middle East. Nothing keeps the war machine going like a forever conflict and a never-ending list of enemies to create and bomb. What we are seeing is the unholy union between America's cult of Darwinian capitalism and Israel's delusion of divine birthright. Divine selection weds Darwinian selection and their offspring is the monster the world see's devouring Gaza. Gaza isn't just a war (if you can call it that) but a warning. It's the endgame of an ideology that says some people - whether chosen by markets or mythical sky-daddies - have the right to grind others into dust. Gaza, Ukraine, Yemen, the drowned refugees in the Med - all just collateral damage in a quest for a world where only the fittest survive - fit by meritocracy/corporatocracy or fit because God says so. A ethos of Divine selection from God (Israel) combined and backed by a ethics of Darwinian selection (US) creates this symbiosis of savagery thats needs tending to.The people using the power of the internet and social media shred their propaganda. Every child's scream echoes louder than their myths. The people say no to ethnic cleansing and land grabbing justified by wall street balance sheets and biblical verses.

Like @Karmadhi said, we are beyond who started it, its about who is currently going about it in such a way that perpetuates suffering and spits in the face of international law and human decency. If we really wanted we could excuse all our behaviours by saying God started this whole thing called existence filled with love and war - but thats immature deflection of responsibility. We can naturally expect more from a state than a stateless people as a state is part of a larger interconnected body of politics, trade and norms they are beholden to. To add to @lina's brilliant comment ''it's Israel who cornered Palestinians into a situation in which the only type of resistance or armed forces they get is represented by small groups; whom due to their incapability, resort to guerilla warfare tactics.'' Israel denies Palestinians a state then expects them to behave in accordance to the standards of having one. Usually it takes another person to expose anthers bias, but with Zionists given a platform to air their own thoughts they usually do it themselves. What we are seeing is the unholy union between America's cult of Darwinian capitalism and Israel's delusion of divine birthright. Divine selection marries Darwinian selection. A ethos of Divine selection from God (Israel) combined and backed by a ethics of Darwinian selection (US) results in the offspring of the frankenstein abomination we witness in Gaza. Wall Street's sharks bless Tel Aviv's bombs. "Only the strong survive," growls the West. "God chose us to thrive," howls Israel's right. Ethnic cleansing and land grabbing justified by balance sheets and biblical verses. Latest updates show that this US backed raid which Israel isn't capable of alone - killed 3 hostages including 1 US citizen. Sad.

Enlightenment takes you beyond earthly limits where you no longer exist, love grounds you blissfully within earthly limits where you do. Enlightenment is love made silent in stillness, love is enlightenment moved to the dance of sound. Enlightenment is becoming the light beyond duality, love is living with the light whilst in duality. Whilst love embodies light to radiate it, enlightenment goes beyond the body and steps into the light to become that radiance itself. Love is the path where there is a dancer, enlightenment is the destination where the dancer no longer exists. Love uses the language of duality to point to the truth of non-duality, where one is all and all is one. Love is the poetic expression of enlightenments beauty. Love wears the crown, enlightenment shines as the jewel. Loveeee is your username where a user exists, enlightenment is where no user exists at all. Now for a beautiful piece on love. On Love You must come to the profound recognition that the bones which scaffold your form, and the flesh which drapes it, are not exclusively yours. They are a congregation of contributions from countless entities that have danced in the earth and sky’s alchemy, and to this cosmic crucible, you will one day return. The light that dances in your eyes is not yours alone to claim — it is the shared luminescence of all life. Without the symphony of this collective glow, what visions could your eyes paint? Absent this universal light, you would stand enveloped in the deepest of voids. The breath that swells your chest with life does not whisper through you in isolation. Every being that has drawn breath into their lungs, that does so now, breathes in harmony with you. Is it not the breath of the primordial life that still circulates within your being? Can you not sense the ancient pulse of existence that beats a steady rhythm within your heart? Your thoughts are not solitary wanderers in the wilderness of cognition. They are a part of the grand confluence of shared awareness, where the consciousness of all converges and mingles. Your dreams, too, are stitched from the ethereal fabric that the cosmos itself dreams into being.

The first sentence could easily describe Gaza, just on a larger scale and through a different mechanism. The second sentence oversimplifies their condition. These tents aren’t glamping luxury retreats - they lack even the necessities like food water medicine. You can understand that death isn’t the only tragedy but so is psychological suffering as in the case of Israeli hostages - this same reasoning can be applied to Gazans who are wounded, had loved ones die, been told to move around like sheep to safe zones which aren’t always safe. They are hungry, can’t access medical care and forced to get amputations without anaesthesia. They don’t know whether they’ll wake up in heaven the next morning or end up cleansed to the Sinai desert never to return to homes that are now rubble. Both suffer from power games being played that crush innocents lives in body and soul.

Any heart that hasn't fully been propagandised to dehumanize and value one life over another would feel bittersweet at the return of the hostages - the relief of a life returned to its home is sweet, the cost it took to get there bitter. A total of 7 hostages have been returned in over 7 months of destruction, death and displacement of over 1.5 million Gazans - the joy of having less than 1 hostage a month being returned is clouded by the cost to life, dignity and hope of 2 million Gazans. The tragic irony is that those hostages could have tasted freedom much sooner if the government that claims to prioritise their return accepted earlier permanent ceasefire deals - they instead only insisted on temporary ones so they could regroup, rearm and continue destroying Gaza in pursuit of Hamas. The Israeli state would rather have Palestinians submit to them than demand dignity and rights by standing up to occupation.They would rather use the hostages to shield themselves from criticism to go easy on Gaza, prolong their political career and cleanse the strip to make way for a greater Israel some amongst them dream of. Western media will zoom in on tearful reunions while blurring out the kids graves in Gaza. They'll interview hostage families but never the Palestinian father dangling his headless child. They manufacture consent for their support of Israel by minimising the victims created by the Israeli states actions. The empires eternal con is to parade small mercies to hide vast cruelties. They'll wave a flag of compassion over one life saved, while using it to shroud the mountains of bodies they've made. If the far right within Israel get what they want which is a settled Gaza, when they boast themselves to be a developed nation and to look at their beach resorts - we'll remember it was built upon the bones of Palestinians. Their development will just be a fancy tombstone for a people they've tried to erase.

Thanks man, likewise you share good up to date information.

True, defending aggression with hypotheticals of worse aggressions just seems to lack social intelligence of how they come across + a minimisation of the suffering the current aggression is causing. Destiny seems to imply that the current level of aggression is justified because it hasn’t yet reached the most extreme level of aggressions ie Nuke.

@Inliytened1 Two pages back I commented this regarding Jewish history of persecution.

Fine line between making a judgment and observation. Trauma doesn’t grant anyone a pass to inflict more trauma. Past trauma should become a lesson in empathy rather than an excuse for brutality. Well done to Israel for not nuking Gaza - the world is grateful they only just dropped a tonnage of bombs larger than Dresden and Hiroshima combined on a strip of land where the majority are women and children which by default mean innocent. You can’t assure someone you don’t know of what they have or haven’t been through. But I can assure you that attempts at justifying the actions of Israel by comparing them to a more extreme scenario of using a nuke doesn’t come across well. This only shows how successful Zionist propaganda is at echo chambering those within it - that things they think are normal to say aren’t - and that they only may realise this when their viewpoints come into contact with the outside world which pushes back on it.

If this is Israel going conducting a war of defence I wouldn’t want to know what a war of offence looks like - probably like using a flamethrower to light a candle.

@Twentyfirst You asked about why they were hated in the past so gave some reasons simply related to economic incentives driven by religious differences. If you know other reasons please list them. Of course past traumas shouldn’t be weaponised to justify present day injustice and the ugly manifestation of Zionism. Perhaps that’s what you get when you marry unhealed trauma and a level of power that corrupts. Israel has become a reflection of the injustice its founders once fled. A group who were once marginalised now marginalise another to the coast of Gaza with no where left to go except a barren Sinai desert.

The US House of Representatives just passed a bill to sanction ICC officials: the diplomatic equivalent of a toddler throwing a tantrum because the adults are trying to serve justice, that may hold the toddler accountable. Ironic that the self-proclaimed global gladiator of justice who architected the international order is now lashing out at the very court that’s job is to deliver justice and order. The American eagle once soaring high is now flapping its wings under a burden of hypocrisy that erodes its global standing - and all for a foreign state that gives barely any thanks for it.

@Twentyfirst Minority communities are scapegoated for the problems of the majority. It's ironic that the prohibitions and restrictions imposed on Jews by Christian societies pushed them into specific economic roles that, paradoxically, became pathways to financial success and influence that they were then resented for. Christian doctrine forbade Christians from engaging in usury, creating a vacuum in the moneylending sector that Jews filled. This led them into the heart of wealthy circles allowing them to wield informal influence over powers that denied them formal entry. When economic struggle came Jews were blamed, and debts owed by kings and nobles were conveniently erased by expelling their creditors (Jews). Marginalization breeds radicalization. The social and economic marginalization drove many Jewish intellectuals towards radical ideologies like socialism and communism, which promised an end to their oppression. These ideologies were revolutionary and would shake the established power structures which further led them to be persecuted.

Yeah, that definetely complicates things because it’s militarily strategic and with the history between the two groups would make it very risky to allow each other to have. The same area (West Bank) where the Palestinian state would be is at the same time unrealistic for Israel to allow unless it is a demilitarised region - but then it isn’t a state in the truest sense with full sovereignty. Not sure what the solution could even be. Maybe managed by a group of other neutral players / peace keepers.

If someone wanted sum up the situation of Israel / Palestine in one word it would be: occupation. That’s a word a lot of Israelis deny to describe the situation with or rationalise the existence of. Logically to follow up we should ask: does occupying a group of people make another group of people (the occupiers) more or less safe? Whenever occupation is acknowledged by Zionists it’s rationalised and re-defined as being a needed “security measure” in response to being attacked - but they are being “attacked” due to occupation. Those attacks are what Palestinians deem resistance and what international laws tell them is their right. How can the West create an international system of law that tells a group of people they are occupied and have the right to resist that occupation, and then support a country that is executing that very occupation. When people are denied a state their denied a certain type of more 'civilised' and accepted means of protection - when they don't have a military, navy, air force, intelligence agencies or the backing of a global superpower they need to resort to guerrilla warfare and other unsavoury uncivilised tactics like suicide or terrorist attacks - which they are then gaslighted as savages for. It is savage - but it doesn't detract from the cause being a just one of equal human rights, self determination and dignity even though they go about it in undignified unjust ways of which they have been left with little choice.

Stage blue thinks their God conscious but are only conscious of the humanised commandments they projected and imposed upon a Godly reality infused with God. They rightly have an intuition of God consciousness but are incapable of going the full way in articulating or encapsulating the truth of God consciousness without creating half truths laced with falsity. The question of the future isn’t whether one believes in God or not but how they believe in God. As a being imposed upon reality with commandments projected by the King archetype from the human subconscious - where God is claimed to not be human but is humanised nevertheless to cope with the immensity and complexity of reality. Or God as a being infused within reality, an essence permeating all and externalising itself in all forms but that is not external to any form big or small. Where God is witnessed as an inherent quality of the universe rather than an external entity imposing himself on the universe from afar. In stage green we return to the soul by valuing empathy and interconnectedness. The shadow of green is when it becomes utopian by ignoring the reality of form - that inherent differences exist with inherent inequalities we’d like to equalise but that we go about equalising in a tyrannical or dysfunctional way. Stage green stifles innovation like blue - but in a different way. Blue isn’t open to change, green wants change but wants to change reality to what it can’t be or won’t accommodate.

@Danioover9000 Yeah, while the extreme end of stage orange wrecks the world with capitalist greed, it at least creates a world in the process, driven by autonomy and innovation, even as it’s on a path to ruin. Stage blue doesn’t destroy the world, but it doesn’t create it either. Stage blue doesn’t sell its soul for the material, but isn’t connected to the material world the soul came to experience either. Stage blue ethnocentric fundamentalists think they’re creating a better world, when they’re really building one on exclusion—anyone who doesn’t fit their rigid mold of caste, color, or creed is left out. They think they’re superior to orange because they orient around something “transcendental” rather than the trivial material world. But they haven’t moved past the surface of their tribe’s skin color or been able to capture the essence of their scripture. They believe they can change the world in God’s image, but they’re not even part of the world they want to change. They stay isolated in their anti-materialist communities and rural homesteads and think they’re building culture or gaining power and leverage when power and leverage isn’t built in isolation from the world but when engaged in it. Reminds me of Tradcon preppers who think they’re immune from state overreach or internet culture on their farms. Stage blue stifles the soul, while stage orange disconnects you from it as you chase the material. But at least in moving, you might eventually find your way back to the soul through and out of the material onto the other side to stage green.

Interesting points - I've wondered if the worst shadow manifestation of a stage orange person (greedy Darwinian hyper materialist) is still better than the worst shadow manifestation of a stage blue person (ethnocentric religious fundamentalist) because its the worst of a higher stage vs lower stage. Any stage can form a shadow of itself, the question is what values that shadow forms or orients itself around.

Bumping this well written comment. We forget what has occurred when countless atrocities blur together, this post acts like a reminder. How many ‘incidents’ have happened to which the perpetrator (Israel) say they will investigate it only to be forgotten about and on to the next atrocity we go. Regarding the debate on whether this is genocide or not: