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@Nemra We can just hope and see now. Wikileaks, Elon, Ron Paul and many others are sounding the alarm on who to get and not get into position. The only reason they can do this and think it’s possible is because Trump isn’t establishment. The point being: theirs a chance at change actually happening vs a establishment party with Kamala who’s just the face of the establish ie a puppet.

@Joshe @What Am I Sometimes real positive change comes wrapped in a package that the mainstream gatekeepers have trained you to reject. Sometimes the "wrong" people end up doing the right things, even if for their own reasons. The establishments propagandists want us so afraid of being associated with the "bad tribe" that we reject any challenge to their power, no matter how legitimate. The real question isn't whether there will be self-serving elements in any new power structure - there always are. The question is whether the public gets any crumbs from the table at all, or if they're just supposed to survive on empty virtue signals while their living standards get crushed into dust. Theres also a difference between the economy and personal finances. The economy can be booming in terms of GDP and stocks on Wall Street but that doesn’t translate to Main Street for the average Joe who feels they have to skip the $5 coffee so they can afford their groceries.

Yes, but leadership ability isn’t that same as good. Is a pickup artist good at leading women? Yes, but that says nothing of his morals or goodness. We can’t deny Trumps charisma - he can go to a rally and talk for hours then go on a podcast the same night - and it’s captivating for a lot of people. He’s friends with British royalty and many world leaders including Shinzo Abe from Japan. There’s no doubt he’s a likable character. He’s a New York smooth talker with the gift of the gab. Trump is a agent of chaos, a bit too decisive and at the whim of those around him. This time, due to the team and people around him - people have much more trust in him being able to lead towards better outcomes. And many smart people have jumped on board from tech ceos to entrepreneurs. Even Naval Ravikant who is very wise - check him out. A lot of Trumpers have excessively high expectations for what will happen, they may be disappointed but we’ll see. There are much larger cycles of economics and geopolitics that no candidate or party can undo - we move through cycles like waves - but that doesn’t mean we can’t tweak how that wave is surfed upon for the better or the worse.

Damn, even Owen. All these people seem to be “undeveloped” and blind according to the left. I doubt the left will even be able to recover due to ideological capture which is like having blinders on. The ones that do see where their shortcomings are , are ridiculed and exiled from the tribe. The left are spiritually feminine and retort to feminine tactics of violence such as shaming, guilting and social exclusion. They are more collectivist (feminine) and organise better, but aren’t as great at leadership (which the right is better at).

If people started moving from the right to the left would we start questioning their sanity the same way? The lefts failure is due to the same false utopian premises they base their movement on much like how communism fails in the real world when reality grinds its operational gears, and human behaviour ie incentives prevent the outcomes their good intentions hope to achieve. When we put equality over and above quality, and sacrifice merit on the altar of equity - where do we expect people with talent or value are going to go? Where it’s valued. Every time we try to enforce equality through top down control, we create a new hierarchy - a bureaucratic aristocracy who try to equalise human nature - as if flattening mountain peaks is even possible. The competent people, the innovators and the mavericks won’t sit around waiting to be sacrificed on the altar of equity. They’ll leave for places merit still matters. It's just basic human nature, like water finding its way around a dam. The irony is: The more force we use trying to make everyone equal, the more inequality we create between places that embrace this ideology and places that don't. Just like the brain drain phenomena of geopolitics, except on a internal political scale.

Liberals are too ideological that they haven’t noticed a inversion has taken place in terms of where the bad actors and imperial core is being run from, behind and beside - and that’s the Democratic Party for the most part. Some have and have realigned themselves.There is such a difference in narratives of what just happened and how it’s being perceived - some view it as a coming golden age, a win against the dark forces of a deep state establishment. Others view it as a dark age that Hitler is ushering in. Neither are correct, but the right may be more correct. Liberals are generally blind to their own actions of censorship, silencing of dissent and clamping down on their political opposition through lawfare and a rhetoric that caused two assassination attempts. They can’t notice the projection and hypocrisy. Just because people you admire move to the right, it doesn’t mean they like everyone amongst the right or share the same beliefs as the fringe extremes - just like liberals on the left don’t always share the far leftists beliefs. It’s more a matter of alignment on wanting the same things, but not all things. And right now, the right are generally more sensible in what they want so more people are aligning with them - less wars, less government overreach, less tax and regulation hindering business, safer streets and stronger borders, less focus on identity politics which racialises everything and is more divisive and discriminatory, less wokism being pushed, and mainstream media and health agencies to be held accountable for misinformation and malpractice. It’s a red pill at mass scale, metaphorically and literally as the Republicans sport the colour red.

It’s similar to grass roots resistance like in Palestine. They can’t and will never destroy it unless they resolve the foundational issues. Good YouTube watch btw. As always, few of us on the forum have been right in our assessment of Israel, BRICS, Ukraine and this political shift right. Elon literally just wants to go to Mars, but the government got in the way, including a woke mind virus that got in the way of him and his own child. He just dealt with the establishment like some side quest whilst running multiple large companies - legend.

I’m seeing Democrat women saying they’re not gonna sleep with men ie a sex strike due to the election. This only exacerbates the problem. This tweet dives into why the Democrats are in a bit of a pickle: ”The democrats have been so successful in teaching their base to hate young men that now, if any one of them smarts up and starts even asking how to appeal to them, trained man-haters will quickly step up and bark about how men are horrible, masculinity is horrible, anything young men like is horrible, employing their Pavlovian collection of snarl words for the purpose. They hate young men more than they love their platform. They hate young men more than they want to win. They hate young men more than they love anything else in the world, including themselves. Democrats can't pivot. They can't. Because their base won't let them. Since a woman will almost always vote for whoever her man votes for, the democrats have nailed their destiny to the political clout of single women who hate men. Well, newsflash, single women who hate men tend to have abortions instead of kids. So where are the future generations of democrats supposed to come from? The third world? Nice try, but you can't import them unless you win elections in the meantime. Their tactics worked so well for a short period of time because their political base was frothing with hateful energy while the men were still half asleep. But now that their opposition is waking the fuck up, they have nowhere to expand their appeal to. This is why I recommend to my fellow right-libertarians and conservatives... never interrupt your enemy while they/them are making a mistake. Goad them. I'm sure you can think of lots of fun ways to do that.” The right will out-demograph, out-birth and out-grow the left. Demographics, is destiny.

For Democrats their weak point isn’t in distribution, it’s in the product - in what’s being sold. Democrats control nearly every mainstream channel from cable networks to the press. Hollywood, academia, corporate media etc. The inconvenient truth is that everyone hears what Dems have to say, they’re just not buying it. Dems and the liberal establishment pour millions into propaganda and crafted narratives and people see through it. The message simply doesn’t resonate. They’ve become so detached from the lives of ordinary people, busy in virtue signaling - that the working class and backbone of America are tuning them out. Their so inclusive that they exclude one of the biggest demographics out there, which means they are now excluded from running the country. Liberals haven’t noticed that an inversion has taken place in terms of where the bad actors and imperial core is being run from, behind and beside - and that’s the Democratic Party for the most part. You had the Cheneys backing and campaigning along side Kamala! If they realised this they wouldn’t be in such a melt down and perhaps maybe even consider that malignant forces are being challenged and possibly defeated - if Trump and his team can even do such a thing. The Establishment ie The Democrats love wars, but not the warriors it sends out.

Yea, that's why I wrote far left and far right. That's a great video above btw, I highly recommend the forum check it out to get a better understanding of what just happened vis a vis the election result.

The disillusionment of the youth towards the system has two responses. The far left want to deconstruct the construct that failed them, to create a utopian one, the far right want to re-construct a romanticised past they believe will meet their aspirations. Reactionary subcultures that come up trying to change the dominant culture that failed them become toxic as they throw out the good along with the bad. The far left discard the good of the past, the far right the good of any progress. Nihilism, resentment and rebellion against those that told them to expect beauty, where they found ugliness results in limbically hijacking them. Tired and enraged at the world, people will cope by becoming mental refugees seeking refuge from their mind, rather than an evolution of it. To cope with a complex world, people will stop trying to think through its complexity. Far right conservatives do this when they revert to the past and tradition as a shortcut to thinking, as do the far left liberals when they use freedom to free themselves of thinking of the consequences of any of their actions. Both are too spent and lack the balanced state needed to create a new but balanced world. As the pace of change accelerates, people will seek that which never changes as a sanctuary amongst the whirlpool of complexity and change the modern world subjects them to - tradition and religion. The concern is that people use sanctuaries to sanction themselves from their own evolution. An exhausted mind and soul in a dazed world, seeks relief from the mind and soul rather than holy revolution of it. The far lefts fire of rage burns any tradition to its ashes, including the wisdom that lit and established those traditions. The far right hold onto the ashes of tradition and religion without the fire of understanding that lit and established them. The inverse of the slippery slope of freedom the far left love, is the slippery slope of prohibition and control by the far right. Excess of which leads to rigidity, repression, resentment and rebellion, making it less robust as it’s a system that needs to be enforced rather than encouraged. The pendulum swings left to right and doing so in each direction as it gathers momentum to swing the other way.

I’ll check out it. I like Destiny. One of his takes on the whole immigrants voting in swing states to solidify Democrat power was that no one’s forcing them to vote blue and that they could vote Republican. But then he never considered that Democrats would provide more incentives to them such as migrating relatives and offering perks etc in order to get them to vote blue. This was the fear from the Republican side - that if they had another 4 years of excess immigration which got turned into Democrat voters in key swing states, it would become a uni-party like California. As we have seen, elections are tight and hinge on these few states.

Same, I had to go to Rohan’s YouTube to get to it or type the exact title of the video. I’m it changed later after enough people brought awareness to it. Similar to how in 2020 big tech also hid the hunter Biden laptop story or censored conservative content on Twitter which the twitter files exposed. Democrats and the left literally project exactly what they themselves do. Not that Republicans are angels, but Dems are such hypocrites it’s not even funny.

You guys need to diversity max (we inclusive or what?) your sources. Embrace the masculine in a non toxic way, understand and appreciate the value of elements within tradition and religion without being a literalist fundamentalist. Your life is not simply a construct, don’t spiritually bypass reality to the point you overlook what’s happening. Don’t be so non-dual you can’t vibe with the duality of the form you are born into and can’t escape from until the you merge with the formless again. Form is real and can’t be morally relativised or redefined away to the point we say men can give birth. Here is my Twitter timeline for a start:

Is there validity to why they think that? The above is what they're going off of. As we can see, the elections are super tight which hinge on a few thousands votes in swing states. If immigration is being increased to these states, for them to then be able to vote in the next election and with incentives in place for them to vote Democrat as they will be able to bring along their family more easily and have benefits etc then wouldn't that solidify a blue stronghold. Technically Californicating the entire country into a uniparty. Kamala Harris wasn’t even voted in by her own party, let alone the country. She dropped out of the Democratic primary before a single vote was cast because her support was embarrassingly low. The voters didn’t want her. She was placed on the ticket, appointed, packaged as the “historic” choice, and now we’re supposed to pretend she embodies the democratic will of the people? Democrats bend over backward to rig their own primaries, sidelining anyone who doesn’t fit the establishment mold. They did it to Bernie Sanders - twice. They push out dissenting voices, and use “superdelegates” to make sure the “wrong” candidate doesn’t get too close to power. They’re not interested in democracy within their own party, let alone in the country as a whole. But they’ll preach about it endlessly, pretending the right is the only threat, while they consolidate power through manipulation and procedural games. And they’re the same party that’s allied with big tech and corporate media to control the flow of information, to censor and de-platform anyone who challenges the narrative. They cry about misinformation and “protecting truth,” but what they really mean is controlling the narrative so that only their version of events gets through. If democracy is supposed to mean an informed public freely choosing its leaders, what do you call a system where information is so tightly managed, where dissenting voices are so systematically silenced? That’s not democracy - it’s manipulation dressed up in democratic clothes. People raving about rescuing democracy really mean protecting their parties monopoly on Democracy. Mmmkay.

If you can control what thoughts can be expressed but claim your opponents are facists,who is closer to facism? The left have a blindspot to authoritarianism because of such flowery nice sounding language and rhetoric. The right does't have the institutional clout to impose anything close to authoritarianism whilst the left does, so the priority is reigning in the side that does. It's a counterbalance, not a call for the right to be authoritarian themselves. It's a subtle, insidious form of soft totalitarianism. They want diversity of colour but not of thought. It's like warning about a guy with a butter knife whilst another guy has a knife at your throat ready to cancel you for wrong speak or a microagression. We need to prioritise the danger. The establishment wants us to think right wing talking points are the danger, which have been institutionally and politically exiled until Trump came on board and Elon bought Twitter. The danger is in leftist ideology through the backing of institutionally captured levers, which have already set up a luxury penthouse in your brain from which to enact their regime. Modern totalitarianism is invisible. The left believes that because they dress their actions in the language of inclusion and progress, they're immune to becoming the thing they claim to fight. We've seen this before: 20th century regimes draped in red flags also promised liberation and equality, but delivered the opposite. That was the conclusion, to insisting on inclusion for the greater good. Gramsci is a key figure in mainstreaming leftism and Marxist thought in Europe and America. This is why lots of Dems have left the party. Perhaps they’re aware enough to see the actions of their own party, contradict exactly what their ideals supposedly stand for.

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US politics is wild

Smaller nations, much like smaller boats, are easy to navigate and more nimble. Larger nations and empires are massive cruisers bloated and slowed down by the sheer scale of their own ambitions. Scandinavia, whilst a admirable Viking boat, isn't comparable to the US which is a battleship cruiser. Smaller, more homogenous, socially cohesive high trust societies that organise well like in Scandinavia, with natural wealth (ie Norwegian oil) and elements of capitalism to ensure productivity and efficiency - produce a higher quality of life and happiness. This doesn't vindicate leftist politics and policies at scale, with many diverse interest groups competing with each other. Especially with a cultural DNA that is rebellious and suspicious or wary of centralised government such as that in America. The reason China is able to pull off a larger state apparatus is due to its cultural DNA that goes back thousands of years. Their conception of state authority is as a benevolent patriarch daddy, the gatekeeper of the mandate of heaven. Where as Americans view state enlargement and overreach like an abusive unrelated step dad. Their faith in a just government comes from their Confucian roots which emphasises civic duty and the collective, rather than the individual. This allows them to harmonise and not have such friction, especially around a more homogenous identity. A cultural foundation has to be there for such things to grow from more organically - otherwise their seen as an imposition, and the power of such state machinery is abused if there isn't much social cohesion to begin with. Because why would a bureaucrat care as much if they use the power of the state to torment their fellow citizens - if they don’t view them as kin (related in some way - we are naturally kinder to kin). Of course we’d say we should be, but tribalism is a hard ass instinct to rid ourselves of. Sweden has one of the highest gun crime death rates in Europe now and the right wing are gaining traction. Reality asserts itself eventually.

We have to look very clearly and not get lost in personalities and popcorn politics that each sides fringes inflame. It's about which mental framework (of each party) is more conducive to a productive society, and which stifles it. Trump printed a lot of money in his term, and made plenty of mistakes - this time around I believe he has wiser minds around him who want to change a status quo that simply isn't working for enough people who are betting on change, even if it means they invite a chance of some chaos. The two key issues are economic and security (border and domestic) - socio cultural issues are also important, but economics and security take priority. This is the problem of the left, prioritization. It's not that identity and inclusion don't matter - it's that they can't matter more than a society's foundations weakening, a societies bones becoming arthritic because its overweight from bureaucratic bloat weighing down its functionality and to which leftist politics generally adds to via expansion of the state. You can have the most inclusive team on the Titanic, but if no ones watching out for icebergs, everyone drowns equally. You can have ''soft on crime'' progressive policies, but what does this misplaced compassion matter if it renders the citizens incapable of walking safely at night, or the viability of a business staying open. For example - California reclassified non-violent offenses such as theft of property valued under 950 dollars to be a misdemeanor. This is the symptom of late stage empires in decline. When empires grow in dominance, power and abundance, this brings decadence. Decadence leads to delusions and the luxury of being able to play with immutable laws of nature (economic, behavioral, and in today's case biological). Decadence allows the denial of these laws, which leads to decline. It's where feelings matter more than functionality, comfort over capability, and equality of outcome matter over merit and quality. Resources not going to foundational issues but that instead go to managing microaggressions, DEI and the pronoun police - is decadent. Forget deficit spending, we are decadent spending, and the bills coming due - just ask Boeing who dismantled their DEI team a few days ago. Decadence allows us to ignore reality, but not its consequences - and the con in consequence, is that it's sequenced into nature, and asserts itself eventually. When the pie shrinks, it deranges politics and society. So the question is: what ideological framing underpinning each party helps grow that pie better. A society can't print its way out of debt. It needs to grow out of it. You can't print prosperity, it needs to be built. You can't legislate your way to abundance. Production, discipline and unity isn't just policy - it's survival programming written in the blood of every fallen civilization. It's the immune system fighting off the virus of decadence. Strength isn't optional and reality isn't democratic. Conservatism isn't a return to the past (although a faction do want to regress) its a turn to the past to see where we deviated and to remember what made a nation rise. The so called progressives ironically wouldn't have the luxury of dabbling in progressive policy if it wasn't for a more conservative past. But now we must revisit the principles that made a nation strong, and integrate them. It's about taking two steps back from the cliff of decadence and decline, so we can progress down the line. Any politics or frameworks that abides by the principles of what is productive yet humane, is the better one imo. If progressive policies work so well, why are countless businesses and people leaving California? Going to Texas and Florida. Why should those policies and the ideological framework underpinning them be scaled nation wide? Progressives believe in state enlargement , because their framework requires it - they enable a bureaucratic priesthood that regulates a nation into just being regular. That's what Kamala stands for - Keep America Mediocre And Lacking Ambition. Dems would rather have a department for the pronoun police whilst Republicans will have a department of government efficiency. A nation doesn't always lose its greatness by having barbarians at the gates, it loses it one regulation, one permit, one decadent policy policing human nature - at a time. America calls itself the land of the free- yet it's the country with the most laws. This is how the managerial / administrative / permanent state kills a nation. First, it creates agencies to regulate everything. Then it staffs them with bureaucrats who's job depends on them saying no rather than yes to things. Then they require constant expansion to justify their existence. Instead of governing, they end up suffocating and stifling. Businesses can't thrive in a maze of regulatory quick sand only corporations can afford to navigate. And the backbone and health of a nation is its middle class. A nation so obsessed with controlling outcomes regulates itself into paralysis. Americans need to remember who they are - citizens, not subjects, subject to a higher authority. The state is supposed to serve the citizens, not suffocate them. Across the pond in UK, we are subjects under the monarchy. Though rarely exercised, the King has the power to decline the formation of a new government during the tradition called ''kissing of hands'' where permission to govern is sought. Though only ceremonial today, it has a odd affect on the psyche of a nation. Trumps politics isn't a blueprint for the long term, he's more of a antibiotic to the current swinging of America into a state of unhealthiness. He can't be the lifestyle, neither can the extremist MAGA supporters be the base for the longevity of America. But imo, its a much needed correction to get back on course - the danger is in over-correction. If the Democrats could auto-correct themselves, things would have been fine, but the ideological capture of leftism prevents that - and it has seeped into the institutions which require deep work. This is the enemy within. The juicy part on modern day leftism starts at 33min, before that is the origin story.

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Yeah definitely. I think the fringe fundamentalists of any group tend to dominate the conversation. Like most people aren't really opposed to religion but to fundamentalists, just like most aren't that opposed to liberals as they are to fundamentalist far leftists. Literalism and fundamentalism is a mind virus that can capture any group or idealogical framework, secular or religious. Moderate people, because their moderate, lose control of their narratives and ideas because the fundamentalists in their respective groups are so active and intolerant of moderation. That's why a lot of liberals distance themselves from modern day liberalism and identify with old classical liberalism. A saying that captures the difference: ''Old liberals wanted protection from the state, modern liberals want protection by the state.'' The problem we have today is bureaucratic bloat of a late stage empire. ''The bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the ever expanding bureaucracy.'' When it becomes more profitable to manage the problem rather than solve it, and theirs a whole web of interests who become dependent on the problem persisting for their own financial needs or wants - this kills a civilisation.

We can all unburden ourselves from the greatest burden Jordan Peterson says we should burden ourselves with