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@ZenSwift I am familiar with this issue. It's like a loop of always looking for another technical step... Suggestion: Get off YouTube, social media, phone or any other distraction. Pull out a journal and make a quick assessment of your life - Where are you currently in life, where have you been, where are you going, what do you want, what are your biggest fears, what have you tried... And when you start journaling all of this your life becomes more in the front of your mind and you think about it more, and it is just natural for creative thoughts to rise among them because being aware of your life brings more 'room' for thinking in new ways about all of that... You start feeling more empowered... And naturally more thoughts about what you want will arise. Really, don't try to force thinking about what you want. Focus on observing (journaling) your current life - that's all, and that's great and empowering in itself. As a bonus you might very well get a new vision for your life. My small take

@Leo Gura Bro you literally have a video talking about why we procrastinate where you mention the concept of homeo-stasis which helps us to survival. 'Just taking action' isn't enough for your complex survival system that tries to maintain itself as it is. I see you recently talk a lot here about taking action, like discarding the fact that change is very difficult and not a simple problem of being lazy. Action isn't the cure. Maybe if a person is highly developed like you that his lazy day is simply because he's tired and not because of some survival mechanism like most of us, then maybe you just need to hit him with some classic self-help motivation. Like this: just seems like toxic orange to me.

Why do people take DMT? It just looks scary and frightening. How does this help for growth?

Why do people take DMT? It just looks scary and frightening. How does this help for growth?

Bro what the hell? Oh hell nah. That shit scared me. I ain't gonna be taking this shit anytime soon.

@Leo Gura Sorry, I meant strengths all along. I mixed it with the 'value', my bad. Are you talking in the biological sense, that we are all genetically very unique and have strengths that resonate with us stronger than others? Or are you talking in a metaphysical sense that you are the thing that is subjectively experiencing all of that and thus you don't really change? In any case, I don't think I got you on the thing on what changes and what doesn't.

@Leo Gura Strengths don't change? Bro I'm confused

This song came up straight to my head when I read your title:

Are there people here that have a life purpose that doesn't have to do with spirituality and consciousness and all that? Really asking out of curiosity

@Princess Arabia Everyone that's here knows that they are at the website of Actualized.org. Doesn't matter the sub-forum, they are still here because of Actualized.org

@Carl-Richard Thanks man, you made it much more clear for me. Your claim also suggests that most people who jump on this path started from a much more neurotic place than the average person, and so you have here a wider spectrum with with only a few people that are well developed. I was just saying that over time it seems that the number of people who are very neurotic is becoming much larger in ratio to the highly developed. Is it a good thing? Don't know, but it's harder so sort out the good advice and the advice of people who'll claim they understand it all when they don't. Obviously I'm not saying that as though I'm something special. I know I have so much to grow

@Leo Gura The OP literally asked if your innate values change over time and you said they don't... help me understand

@Nivsch Those examples that you gave are 'important' not because of some innate values of nature and tribalism, but because our psychology and body are shaped for this kind of environment for over a million years of human evolution. Being in nature and spending time with people just clicks better. Certainly modern living isn't that great for living in a psychologically good environment, but after all it's us humans who created this modern environment lol. Why? Well because of all the stories that were created by humans that brought many people together and try answering the deep questions of life and many beliefs and cultures came and went, leaving remnants behind. And now you have this fucked up society that believes capitalism/socialism is the cure ideology for this world that will bring prosperity. The human condition comes with ups and downs, and randomly got to this point

@Leo Gura Are you implying that innate values in humans don't change? Like, I know that we all have morality systems ingrained in our DNA (what to do in certain dilemmas) that helped our survival over millions of years, and perhaps we all still share much similar values than not (like not to kill, fairness, don't steal). So by not changing do you mean they were determined when you were born? And that trying to change then is futile?

@Butters Read the book Homo-deus by Yuval Noah Harari. He talks a lot about the future of AI and humanity, and how our current ideologies, ways of thinking and politics will have to shift because of this revolution.

@Bobby_2021 Can't say I agree on that. This forum is not the only place in the universe where you get "the real shit". There are also other places to find great minds. People do get pissed off, and that's why you need to be more careful when pissing off a mod vs pissing off some common user, this is how it is.

@Princess Arabia I mean, no one lives on Saturn. I'm very sorry (I didn't even know I was doing it 🤐) We definitely share more than simply being human. I think Carl said it quite well that there are many people like this, no, I won't say people but rather such behaviors here because we all share a commonality of wanting to improve ourselves, and that doesn't necessarily mean we are good people, yet. But I also think people make an identity out of being spiritual and talk more from their head than experience. If you really understand some concept experientially then you can simplify it when explaining. I'm pretty sure we all are human... Do you mean like bots?

@Carl-Richard In that case, if you want to fix yourself, don't you first have to be broken? 😉 True. Thanks for pointing it out, I haven't thought about this. Perhaps we are all still trying to grow ourselves🙂

@mr_engineer 💀 @numbersinarow brooo🤣🤣🤣 There are some funny people here I swear lmao

@Leo Gura I don't know. Maybe you can learn something about yourself/your teachings from the users you attract? Even in a democratic system you can learn about the potential problems by observing its people.

@Princess Arabia People who go to business workshops have the commonality of having interest in business and making money. Some differences between them and their personalities, but still relatively similar. People who are part of a cycling group that meets once a week to ride the bike have a common interest in cycling, fitness, health. There are differences between them but they still have this commonality which implies some similar ways of thinking. Both of those are choices. They come together because of a shared interest, and you get like minded people. This is different from people on the street who are complete strangers to you. Here on actualized.org you don't get "random people from the street". You get people with a shared interest to self actualize, otherwise they wouldn't be here.

@Carl-Richard Yeah, but this is not just any open forum with random people totally unrelated to each other. There is a common shared of interest in improving oneself and the life experience. You attract people who are similar to you, and this is why you see people like Andrew Tate attracting people that are similar to him, Eckhart Tolle attracting people similar to him, and I believe with Leo it's a similar case. I don't have any burning insights.

All this sophisticated talk seems like an escape rather than actual truth. There is literally no reason to be silent, as though it is somehow a universal law that silence = wisdom. No. If anything quite the opposite. We are still humans living together in a society, with pretty much the same genetic code of hunter gatherers thousands of years ago in the wild. We are social creatures. All your behavior is for the purpose of survival, nothing more. You are simply a biological machine that is coded to keep its form, based on how the brain identifies as you. All the 'inner workings' of this machine are biological processes (chemical processes) that are designed such that together they create a complex system of predetermined behavior, which is happening right now. There is the experience of all of this, yes. Being silent is not your sophisticated choice. You being silent, writing this post and acting spiritual is your body reacting to the environment and inner biology (including the information you intake, and the thoughts that shape your experience). There is no "end" to this journey. Like, what happens now? Tf? You just keep living. If anything you would be more happy interacting with people, as we are social creatures (by design) and our happiness (happy hormones) is very much dependent on those interactions (very much for design, for survival). There is no way out of survival. The human is always in survival mode, which is also a very great thing. Very amazing thing - literally what keeps you alive and emotionally comfortable. Your true identity might not be the human, and thus you can argue that we should let go of it since it's an illusion. But the truth is that the human experience is what is, and every reference point has always been from that pov.

@Leo Gura Business first, psychology second, if psychology remains. If you need a million dollars, psychoology will not help you. You need a million dollars. There are legit reasons why you might need a million dollars. Of course there are also illegitmate reasons. Why would psychology not remain after getting the business? (or girlfriend) You're literally building a fragile house of cards that way. If the business fails or your girlfriend breaks up with you, you'll be doomed into deep suffering because of excessive attachment to those things. Brother, I'm really curious as to why you're putting more emphasis on action when without proper psychology might lead you the wrong way.

Don't get to sophiaticated. A man needs a few girlfriends first. @Leo Gura If I'm stressed about money and want a million dollars to feel free and happy, would you suggest me to take action on working on business or to take care of my psychology and perhaps then the money will fall into place?