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@Razard86 In the end, we are ALL ONE

@Mahyar Agree. I'm open to every possibility. Even to those with that, I'm afraid I have to disagree, although it is hard for my ego, sometimes too hard (working on that). I have had a direct experience with; I would say, very powerful fields of negative polarization. I know that what I have experienced was much more advanced, and knew everything about myself - but not the present person I play now. The actor has played many different characters. Since I took Kundalini practice seriously, I have sometimes been experiencing some inexplicable energies that literally lift me up as I am about to fall.

@Thought Art No amount of yoga, meditation, Zen practice, scripture study, physics, maths, or psychedelic trips will prevent the ego from drawing wrong conclusions. I take solipsism very seriously concerning the Infinite Mind of the Infinite Ocean of Consciousness - the Absolute (but here, you must bear in mind that this is a human concept). I do not know anything that any of the participants of this forum accomplished the complete transcendence of the ego - therefore, speaking about The Absolute compressed to any individual here is, in my opinion, at least an intellectual abuse. The problem is that Absolute Nonduality does not exclude duality on the lower levels - in God's Dream. Many people here cannot open up to this possibility - which I believe is a symptom of intellectual immaturity, not enlightenment.

@Thought Art On the contrary. The message is as clear as the sun. Just admit the possibility that the One Infinite Ocean of Consciousness dreams whatever it wants. And everything It dreams is relatively real, has a certain autonomy of action that evolves, expands with the evolution of the individual. Unless it does not suit your vision and assumptions about what this Ocean is, and how and what It should dream.

@Mahyar Yes I'm very open to what you are saying. I am also grateful to you for the style of your message. Affirmative, not exclusive. Sat Nam?

@amanen one question: what is your definition of "non-physical". Something that exists beyond stuff we call energy, i.e.?

@Razard86 calm down Brother. There are just diffrent POVs, that The Way It Is. We often disagree here, and that is actually very good. I don't want another circle of mutual adoration. These diffrent POVs teach us to accept things out of our conditioning frame, out of our assumptions. That is very good. I like the way You are, despite I disagree with You in some subjects. The most valueable thing out of this mutual interaction, is lesson in accepting You as You are??? Sat Nam?

Well said, Brother ??? Sat Nam

Ok, I need to stop here. Got strange time recently, need to chill out. I feel that instead of being open, I am trying to impose my point of view... Anyway, Peace, Brother?

This year's Nobel Prize in Physics is about Bell's Inequality. Briefly, nothing exists outside of consciousness. There is no external existence. The universe we experience is only locally real. to the frame of reference that we are, also created or imagined by consciousness. But there is nothing there about any absolute lack of existence! On the contrary - existence IS REAL. Locally, relatively but REAL.

But it is possible do unimagine being human to the such a degree, that you stop eating and drinking for good and you can play with your body by jumping in and out of it. You literally overcome being human in common sense. Can you do it? That's something practical at least... But this needs years and years of practice, total devotion born out of need to unimagine being human once for good. I sincerely wish you that. And myself as well?

There is one more issue with the power of god's imagination. It Is not so easy to unimagine it all. And by direct experience of being human anybody can feel its true power. Reality as real as God can imagine.

@Razard86 I don't need to pretend to have life. I am life.

@Razard86 you highly underestimate power of your imagination? - God imagination to be precise. Anyway, I still don't know why it is so important for you to strip this imaginary universe of an aura of mystery that can be explore in some many ways. You may simply don't like math or physics, that's ok. But in end you need to walk some distance to your toilet to piss and because of gravity your urine droplets do not float around you. Do I miss something??

Sometimes if you drive too fast, fly too high, dive too deep only a crash can wake you up. An alien crash in this case. But this is not that simple... God realization (or alien god realization) entails god responsibility to itself... this is something no god can escape.

Do you know that you cannot lie in mathematics? It's really the most beautyful language fot me...

@Razard86 infinity welcomes everything. Mathematics is included??. Maybe you still need awaken to that???

@Razard86 First of all, you can post here and enjoy your comfy western life because humanity have discovered and is discovering laws of Nature of this particular 3-dimensional space + time manifestation in which you, as infinite consciousness, incarnates into the imagined experience of being human in imagined 3D space + time. Is this so hard to understand? This imagined manifestation has its imagined, but very precise laws and encoded description of its nature. Which btw points towards something much, much bigger than you, as a human, can even imagine. This is all for your enjoyment, for sake of thrill of exploration. Where do you find a problem, if may I ask?

It is all connected to one's degree of understanding of what Infinity is. There's common human mind understanding of solipsism which is directly related to comprehending Infinity. And there is a view from so-called Absolute perspective... Both: Infinty and Absolute are very mysterious words that point towards even greater mystery. I'll try to prepare more claryfied, personal view on this subject, because it seems extremely crucial for me. Yet it's extremely elusive.

It may sound like an ass-licking, but I genuinely feel that he has really got there... I assume this is very hazardous stuff for human-mind construction. I am very interested in how he will communicate this stuff... Is it even possible? Fucking hell, we'll see!

Keep calm and think of Infinity. Experience Infinity. Feel Infinity. Try to do some calculations on infinities - it's mind-blowing stuff:) Infinite EVERYTHING is not the same as human conceptual EVERYTHING. Crazy Leo - Nardo has got somewhere, probably out of human' EVERYTHING. Brave man. Sometimes irritating, but brave, anyway:)

Maybe The Truth is as simple as It can be: One Infinite Omniscient Unconditional Love creates or incarnates in Everything that can exist, allows it all to evolve, to look for mistakes; in short, it gives it the freedom to be whatever it all wants to be, imagine to be, and that is it. It is all safe. You are safe, you always are, and you can come back anytime you want. Too simple for the mind to be true.

@Inliytened1 Maybe that is the main issue here. This forum is created by one human egoic mind - brilliant mind, to be honest - for others' egoic minds for typical egoic mind activity - under cover of the quest for the ultimate truth - compare itself, judge others, appropriate concepts and ideas about so-called enlightenment or awakening. But I think it's not bad at all. This forum is, by far, the best mirror that reflects our ideological, philosophical, and emotional attachments about how reality should look like, what it should be, and how God should fit into our conceptual set. It also mirrors our most profound existential questions. When we peel off this egoic layer, or at least we are aware of it, what lies underneath has a tremendous cognitive value. When Einstein told Bohr that God did not play dice, Bohr consciously replied to him: do not tell God what to play. Here we can clash our different concepts about our experiences, which can reach the most distant alien realms that is hard for human to imagine. Nobody is less or more enlightened, or I don't consider myself or anybody here to judge this stuff - on what basis? From my experience, I know that surrendering one's ego is not an easy and short process. It keeps fighting back, you all know that. I would say it takes many lifetimes, you disagree with the idea of reincarnation, and here we go - ego is safe, and that is its purpose, isn't it?

@Razard86 It's hard for your colleague to be surprised. Most of you, if not all of you on this formula, are very intelligent people, often experienced by life as well. But what I say now will not be pleasant, nor will it be about spiritual growth. In many, many statements on this forum, there are statements, statements so absurd, illogical, and inconsistent that if God were to imagine this universe - it would blow itself up at once - due to the lack of internal consistency and logic. I am not saying that there are no universes that operate on some alien logic (perhaps n-dimensional space manifests in n-ways) or that exist based on no logic (as a little human, it is hard to imagine it yourself). Nevertheless, this manifestation in which you experience being human is marked by logic and consistency. We have so far discovered 42 physical constants. I'm not talking about the theories we build from them. They evolve. But physical constants don't evolve. If any of them evolved over time so that their value changed to 33 decimal places, that familiar manifestation of the universe collapses into a cu**. Change the charge of the electron, the proton's mass, or the matter's density. These physical constants enable any evolution of this known universe, including the evolution of life as we know it. And there are absurd statements here that mathematics is imagination. I can counter the claim that such a statement is rubbish taken out of a hat. Experiencing God and understanding God are two separate things. You can talk about the Absolute - you can try to conceptualize it linguistically for the purpose of communication - if you have made a minimal effort to reflect on what the Infinity is. Most of you here talk about Infinity with absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Because it is not easy to talk about Infinite using finite language. There is only one, a universal language that is truly infinite. And it's as logical as young can imagine. And this is mathematics. Much of the speech here is marked by emotional exaltation, which often ends the entire debate. Who is not as high, is out. In this way, a circle of mutual adoration of people inspired by the vision of being God, Super Alien God, or whatever you come up with is created. Like you don't realize that Infinity has infinite space for every experience, every manifestation. And it will never stop. You will never HAVE a full God realization because such a thing does not exist. There will be always something more to explore. But this is not the case in the first place I suppose. For most people here, at least. Sat Nam

Otherwise, I may think, that the title of this thread is actually correct. With a note - your enlightenment is bullshit. Mental self-masturbation as you say. And nothing more.