WelcometoReality

If words are made up and reason is made with words does that mean that reason is made up? How do you determine whether your reasoning is sound?

That's a good sign of a significant realization. I think I've had that song on repeat aswell.. or maybe it was a different song. It might be old and annoying but the hardest part could be that you don't know how many times it will play until it stops. What I did was I stopped listening to it. I took long walks or something that connected me to my senses. That way the intensity of it lessened and after a while it didn't bother me anymore even though it still was playing in the background. Eventually it stopped even though I can't recollect the moment it did. When you don't care whether it's playing or not it doesn't really matter anymore. ?

Yes the human eye can't see all tye light spectrum. And the ear can't hear all frequencies so the human can't perceive all of reality if we assume that such a thing exist. To me discrepancy is a better terminology to use. The word "wrong" seems so black and white and it implies that we shouldn't experience the car being red.

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Your on to something. "I can't" are very limiting words to utter. Maybe rephrasing it to "I haven't been able to yet" can open you up to a realization.

Yes it is truly non sense as in prior to all senses. My question was not to make fun of your "experience" but to make you contemplate about it.

So what's there to "experience" that non-experience/non-existence and later be here to tell us about it? ?

Yes and our discussion has been about helping those who aren't open and willing.

If you genuinely want to help people here then it might be worth to contemplate the question I asked.

I like that. Wrong as a relative notion rather than an absolute one. Could one also argue that neither one of the experience of the car being red and being green is wrong?

Yes, but aren't we back to square one?

Thanks for the clarification. ? Yeah that's something to contemplate. What if you experience it as red and 100 others say it's green? Does that mean that it's green and that your experience is wrong? ?

I see your point. If we continue with the red car analogy can you explain your reasoning why you shouldn't trust that you are experiencing a red car?

If the deeply held belief is clenching my eyelids will believing you make me open my eyes?

But if you're experiencing red then your experiencing red. Whatever your mind tells you to doubt that experience is an after thought.

@Gneumatics Wonderful! ? You are already experincing 'this' through your senses so maybe start get in touch with those more and see how your thoughts are creating the delusions.

@sleep If you see a red car and the person next to you say that it's green, do you believe the person or do you trust your own experience of it being red?

@VeganAwake If I'm already home, but am unwilling to open my eyes to see this, how do you help me let go of my clenched eye lids?

I just gotta say that I love the character. ?

@Mosess that seems to be the case for many in the beginning. Continue your practice and things will get easier and easier.

@EternalForest If love is all there is, what if you embrace/love yourself just the way you are with all your likes and dislikes included?

@NoN-RaTiOnAL "Resurrecting Jesus" by adyashanti is a map of the journey to enlightenment. Maybe not what your looking for but it was a good read/hear. ?

What, in your direct experience, is making the claims that it is a disc or a sphere? And what is the moon without those claims?

@Lottalookin1 I'm swedish aswell.

@Eren Eeager Tao te ching is all about non-doership.