Natasha Tori Maru

@Meeksauce Try to witness your compulsive behaviour here. Why are you feeling so compelled to reply? There is so much unconscious reflexive behaviour you are displaying. You aren't capable of addressing ANYTHING anyone in this thread has raised - you just move the goalposts or repeat yourself. I feel so bad for you with how oblivious you are. Doesn't this feel humiliating?

He has awakened to feeling inferior and incomplete - so to feel better/bigger/superior/a man WE MUST SQUASH OTHERS

You can keep repeating yourself all you like mate, but you got more holes than Swiss cheese 🤣 0/10

No. You simply cannot. And there is no way to argue your case. Interesting to note that you are professing something from a total assumption with NO evidence while also preaching about direct experience... I suppose you have direct experience of all of our direct experience ay? I almost cannot stop laughing

This comes from ignorance though - you have to admit this. You have no way to know any such thing.

It might be helpful to recognise we do not always know what is best for others

tired

Even the 'second coming of Christ' is meant to illude to the Christ consciousness arising within you. That you awaken to it. Surrender. I think the Christian religion can mess it up as the translations have been messed up from original Hebrew. Many Christians literally think Christ will rise again... Whether Jesus existed or not is hearsay - but the motif is repeated all over the place

@Mellowmarsh @OBEler Agree and same same. I appreciate the space and Leo managing it! OP is just in the middle of e-battles so his perspective is skewed at the present time !

Language can only act as a pointer - words are not precisely what they label. Light could mean light weight, light from the sun, light sleeper etc Without proper context the word is meaningless. Language is tricky, and can only give general direction with deep topics.

@Princess Arabia By no means was I trying to argue a case etc - I really appreciate the topic because it made me really dive into the whole thing I like the open ended nature of a lot of what you raise on the forum, because in trying to grasp the concept, I become aware of assumptions I make myself!

I take it from this you took on Jesus as a belief prior to realizing some truth? 'pursuing' Would you say that you caused the issues by choosing to partake in ayahuasca ceremonies? You could look at it as actions needed to be taken to reveal him to you. Just interested in what you think may have happened to you without the self generated issues that arose after ayahuasca ceremonies. Possibility exists the issues were always there I also take it to mean you think some external force healed you and it wasn't your own doing? No bad intent meant, I am just curious as my own family have different takes on their own experiences with Jesus

I think maybe there is some confusing stuff going on for me here. There definitely needs to be some clarity around when we are speaking from the Absolute and the relative. It seems to me there is flip flopping between the two in an attempt to raise a concept. I could be wrong. How can senses be absolute? Take awareness of sense perception. When seeing the cow - if we both perceive it with the eyes - each pair of eyes detect different light waves in the retina, not the exact same light bouncing off the cow. When smelling the cow, neither of us can detect the exact same particles of scent at the same time - both noses interact with different particles. When hearing the moo from the cow - each pair of ears here a different part of the wavelength of the sound as it transverses the medium to our ears. When tasting the cow - we each cannot lick its arse at precisely the same spot at the same time. We lick the particles and experience different particles each. When touching the cow, we cannot each touch the same part of the fur of the cow at the same time. It is always a different part of the cow. So we cannot, in fact, sense the cow at the same time. We are only AGREEing there is a concept of a cow. Mental agreement. All we seem to be doing is agreeing on the fact there is a 'cow' as a concept. The sound, the vision, the touch and taste/smell all come together and we call that a 'cow'. You can see here there is an ontological claim that materialism makes to the cow existing. We are sort of brainwashed into believing in the cow ay? From birth. If we try to extrapolate to the Absolute? There is just awareness of stuff we call cow. You and I, we each perceive a 'cow' with senses and thought definition. Behind us is awareness. That is all. Empty awareness. Subject. If we say this awareness (or consciousness) is shared, then it follows there are an infinity of cow perceptions (because we cannot sense the EXACT SAME cow as per above). Infinite projections or spotlights, all slightly different, all projecting parts that make up what we call 'cow'. If we go further and render this as an illusion - and we are the same awareness, we all agree to perceive in such a way to see a cow in a cohesive conceptual manner. So, the illusion is real because each awareness (that is one) all agree there is a cow. Because there is no other to disagree there is a cow. It's just one. Awareness/consciousness is all one and it doesn't disagree. So, the cow is projected into existence as perception in a million different forms / perspectives / frames from the single awareness, each with its own unique sense perception and mind. Each consciousness sees a different part of the illusion that comes together as the reality of the 'cow' and doesn't disagree with itself as to the cow existing because... it's one. No one to disagree... All partake in the illusion of matter and time. Fuck I dunno lol

I agree, which is why it started banging around in my head without an answer 😀

Glad it resonated I really enjoy examples of how spiritual work directly applies to reality. Considering how spirituality runs in opposite directions to survival. This chap really elaborated quite well on how an insight integrated totally unravels false beliefs

I found this very insightful regarding shame, false emotional based beliefs and how spiritual methods can apply to cold approach & confidence in general:

By shared context?

My brain is exploding 🤯

How do you know you are actually see the same cow? You sense light reflecting off a cow, but both sets of eyes see different light. Is that the same cow?

@Sugarcoat yes totally - I do lots of hypnagogic, OBE & dream state work. Many logs of experiences 😀 I am intrigued by the concept of an impossibility in the dream and fear arising. Almost like the brain perceiving its own eyes. The dream self probably wouldn't understand the impossibility - my dream self is dumb as shit in my experience lol

It would be a paradoxical nightmare I suppose - the fear within generated from the self and not the conception of 'self being within nothing' Because as soon as you have a 'self' contained within 'nothing' there is a 'thing' suddenly ! No longer no-thing 🙃

Some self with a lower case s right here 😜 Attempting to control and direct conversation (by demanding) in an attempt to alleviate possible humiliation - attachment. Just sayin'

I lean more this way - Jesus may have been real and true - Christianity is another thing entirely. Can you imagine what Jesus would say about the religion created around him? I cannot believe it would be something he would endorse .....

Realizing he is Truth I guess? The question was almost rhetorical and a prompt to contemplate. Still not sure how one can have direct experience of Jesus. Honestly it's all stories and hearsay, and the bible/Christianity is, to me, forfeiting ones sovereignty. I view this as a tragedy. Mothers side of my family are all born again Christians. I see it, and have it mentioned to me, almost every time I see them...

Can you awaken to Jesus and not be a Christian?