Natasha Tori Maru

I noticed that... Let us say -the conscious- reaction video Leo could have just slapped that label on it for excessive views I will say - that whole situation was a great case study to illustrate false spirituality. They want spiritual ice-cream, not the true spiritual chemotherapy !

@Anton Rogachevski Not confirmed, but I think that part of the website is broken atm

@Sucuk Ekmek I see a shoreline, receding to a vanishing point. Waves meeting the land, as the sunset illuminates two craggy outcrops as they meet the sea. I do not know if this is the subject - if it is, you captured it well! The colours of the sunset replicating on the rocks are exactly how light behaves. If it is not the subject - it doesn't matter, as it brings forth concepts of beauty, regardless

Finished, enjoyed. Back to the heart of the matter. Real spirituality. Not knowing. Throw away concepts/ideas. Verify ones personal truth. Realise how your beliefs interfere with your ability to truly be present, grounded in experience. Reveal God. The experience and presence of God is always here, we just aren't seeing it due to survival and the need for certainty. It's quite ironic that people are screaming for certainty (certainty here being a subjective form of truth) in survival based life - and so seek spirituality to inform this certainty. But truly engaging with the spiritual process is dislodging this certainty - the self - and removing ego. Doing the exact opposite of what they seek. A great destabilising destruction of the self only to be reset. I think this is the part of the process most are not prepared for... I personally feel this is not to be confused with depersonalisation. Being OF the body/within the body is fundamental to being able to interact in a relative way to the distinctions of reality. That feedback is important. Through the spiritual process in the end, you become more resolved, sink in to Maya - because the certainty of Truth is the ultimate salve. Raising the consciousness to encapsulate more than the self.

@Carl-Richard I think you will enjoy this one Carl! Survival - the selfs attempt to drive to certainty. Alleviate fear. Certainty is the aim. Spirituality is acting in friction to this survival self - diving into uncertainty. Dislodging all those concepts and ideas we form in an attempt to gain certainty. Becoming uncertain again. Getting the self out of the way - like lifting the 'self' cataract off the iris so we can directly experience reality and truth. This goes into how real spirituality can be destabilising, terrifying and scary. Like a rewind to the uncertainty of infancy. I haven't finished the ep yet.

@Florian Hmmmm yes yes which is why I added the 'not sure' as I do not know what is best for others 🙏 I just know for myself I take health and maintaining homeostasis - and increasing the overall energy of the balanced state, as no1. At it's core it is energy balance. Constantly going out and back in balance. Neverending process. Nonstop process. Until death hahahaha ! Live healthy, well... Hopefully die fast

Would you you find the statement 'experience is omnipresent' to summarise this nicely?

I am with you and I LIKE it Maybe just, consciousness

Health is about the body maintaining a state of homeostasis - so it is really about energy balance. I am not sure if making it no1 priority is working in balance

What is this interaction meditation practice? I have not come across it. Maybe I know if it under another name.... Contemplation/self enquiry is needed to integrate the experience of elevated consciousness/awakening/enlightenment if you want to be able to use the experience to raise your baseline consciousness while in the waking reality. Without it, it is just an experience had. Like taking a bunch of psychedelics, tripping your balls off and then coming back to reality. Most people would look at that as 'oh yeah weird experience' and take nothing away from it. You have to realise what you are doing that facilitated the experience - or more precisely - what you are suddenly not doing. In waking life, you are constantly getting in your way. Your thoughts do this. Contemplation and self-enquiry aims to reveal what you are doing and the effects it has on your consciousness. How your ego - your self, prevents you from being conscious. The contemplation assists with the fish finally realising it is in the water, after the experience of jumping above the waves.

Okay so you define planes in some strange way. That's the same existence just energy/frequency levels and consciousness. You are defining words in english in ways others don't. You define yourself by your thoughts, which means there is egoic attachment. I don't want to argue with ego, and this is going no where. Gonna tap out because there's no point when you have arbitrary word meaning. Also I don't know where you got angry etc from, this is just pissing in cyberspace. Concept battles in bits and bytes on the internet. Honestly if you think it makes me angry - you haven't lived in reality enough. I'm just taking a position and pointing out flaws in thinking - I don't even necessarily agree with what I'm saying, just attempting to raise awareness.

Past and future - can you touch them? Can you smell them? Can you see them? Can you feel them? Right now? No? They aren't real. Human concepts. You're going to have to do a lot better if you want to convince me. You are trying to tell me you are experiencing something it is impossible to experience as a human because it is a concept and idea. Bunch of thought. Suffering? Human made. Point to suffering in your body. Show me. Pain yes, I can punch you in the face. I'm sure your face will hurt. Suffering where? Point. It's the friction of your thoughts. You are doing suffering. Remove thought, issue dissolves. 'Another plain of existence' I can't verify that. How did you verify it? Its a concept. Again another thing not real. You are clinging to logical explanation rather than falling back on real tangible experience - truth. Don't try to get out of this by dangling carrots 'you will intuit something there' as if I am missing something, when nothing you have said is verified as being true. You are perceiving something in labour of survival and it's is like a cataract over your eyes, obscuring your vision of the truth. You are so full of concepts, ideas, thoughts, descriptions, beliefs - these are all stopping you from realizing truth.

You are being. Human BEING. Experience. Just because you can enter a state of non-thinking doesn't mean you are separate from reality. You can stop walking because you know you are walking. If you don't know you are walking - how can you stop? Can a fish recognize it is in water??? The cat has survival & consciousness. A lower level to that of a human. It does not limit itself as a human does to this 'self' with perceptions that create a future/past and stories that induce suffering - that doesn't exist in reality. The body feels pain. By 'no-self' I don't mean NO BODY. I mean the construct of the self is made up. You are just experience. And you don't need thought to experience.

This sounds like you haven't done the work to integrate and have misunderstood as a result. When all thought stops, there is no self. Being emerges as the experience where all is unified. Either you are using english words in ways that aren't universally agreed upon, or you haven't experienced this without a substance assisting you. And no integration to facilitate understanding as a result. No, thoughts aren't happening. Thoughts aren't the substance of experience. Thoughts are something you are DOING. You are DOING the thoughts. They aren't some magical thing that happens. If you haven't realized you are actually doing the thoughts, how can you stop something you don't even realize you are doing?!? Yet above you state you were not thinking. But you haven't identified you are doing it. You see how that's unconscious? The exact opposite direction you want to go?

@Breakingthewall Barrier of what? If you were in total mental silence, you would have an experience where your ''self'' was absent. In that moment past and present cannot exist. What does after the 5 minutes, when you start thinking again, have anything to do with the period of thought cessation? Is this the barrier? I just don't see what your example is trying to say in reply to @James123 All I have as my truth is - you cannot reach enlightenment while any thought is occurring. If thought is occurring, you are experiencing anything but the NOW. You are conceptualizing. Which immediately puts you in the future or the past. Which don't exist. Not in your experience, not in anyone's. Thinking robs you of direct experience

Just pointing out you state you were in absolute mental silence but alert & then thinking all these things. Thinking 11AM. Even thinking about the future 'in half an hour' - which doesn't exist and isn't in your direct experience. You were conceptualizing the whole time. That isn't mental silence.

@Inliytened1 Followed back! An addendum - I think going to body method is pretty hard for most people. Maybe even impossible. You need to be so clean with everything. Organic, no chemicals (or reduced), sleep discipline, no sugar (at all), minimal meat. No overeating or over-exercising. And above all, no hatred or negativity toward the body. No punishing the body. No negativity to looks or appearance. All this really helped me, but I realize most people think I'm a freak because I won't eat the pastries at the office. Or won't touch fast food etc. It's a level of discipline most don't want. They want pleasure.

Grounding in my body forces a state change. Takes me out of the mind chatter. So movement + breath. Thoughts begin to slow, then cease. From here expanding consciousness comes so easily (for me). The contemplation/self-enquiry is essential. Otherwise, I haven't found a way to integrate the experience. And without the contemplation & integration the elevated consciousness cannot be taken into typical human life. Small breakthroughs get carried into the relative domain when I nail this, but it is slow work to do while also working full time. Because I have to work in the relative domain to access the absolute - and the body is confined to this domain - working in movement accesses higher states of consciousness. Because in this reality, the body has to act as the element to induce friction against all the things that are 'defined' ie chairs vs bodyweight, textures vs skin, smells vs nose, sunlight vs eyes to produce experience - or being. I think my strange approach is working at consciousness from both angles - the mind removing all thinking/ideas/concepts while pulling all awareness into pure experience of sensation. Mind & body the same. Leveraging the relative to access the absolute.

I experienced it as truth - love. No time. No-self. All the silly aphorisms we use around here - not that it is common at all!

A practice - a tool you used. I don't think it matters how you chip away at the relative, through practice, to slowly reveal the absolute. The tool isn't relevant. I used self-enquiry (deconstruction) & body scanning/energy sensation. There are many different techniques. For my unique physiology, working with the body, to access sharpening of the mind, was the most effective. Bodywork is the missing link for most people. Maybe the Buddha kept it simple (we don't actually know this). I do thank you, for sharing your process

I 'am' being - and experience is how that being knows itself. I should have ended the statement above with '?' because it cannot be concluded. Experience is happening > something exists > being Maybe more implicit - it feels as if the experience and being collapse into the same thing during meditation. No me having an experience, just what is true right now... I am deviating from the topic - apologies

@Anton Rogachevski That little 'wound' of unclosed, un-concluded thought about what experience is - UnbornTao is ripping the scab off for more surgical brain probing... @UnbornTao I'll have another go... Experience is... when seeing, there is the coming together of visible form, the eye, and visual consciousness. When hearing, there is the coming together of sound, the ear, and auditory consciousness. When touching, there is the coming together of tactual sensation, the body, and tactile consciousness. When thinking, there is the thought, the mind, and mental consciousness. Combination of sense faculty and object... and a corresponding sensory consciousness arises... Immediate direct experience... Being.

Do you not see the irony? You are calling out others for introducing techniques/systems to use as a way to engage meditative states as 'overcomplicating', 'unnecessary'. And then simultaneously implanting this belief in 'enlightenment' 'awakening' - when belief removal is where its at. It is a belief until it is lived Truth. Doing what you are doing is going to confuse people more. The only way is for others to engage in the process with no aim for an outcome. Only to discover for THEMSELVES what is true. Not what is true for YOU. Which is why you guide to the truth. You don't shove some foreign belief or aim into someone's head. You are taking away all the magic from the process - and no I am not lying to you. I don't know how this isn't totally clear to you, if you have experienced this as you say.

@Inliytened1 I don't think having a goal of awakening is a good thing with this sort of work. You place your base within a space of lack 'I am not enlightened'. Setting yourself up for disappointment if you don't reach it - some people may never reach awakening or enlightenment. But through the process, they expand consciousness. Isn't it about the process? Also this 'awakening' is just another belief to embed into people.

You can sense this unwinding energy when someone dies. Without going into details, I've been with people in the natural death process. As their mind goes, thoughts begin to slow. Their self is dying before the body. I always felt this like energy unwinding. The self dissolves and the dying person comes into being right before the end. You are witnessing a person come into an essential state right before all things cease. You can feel this in hospice care. If you are sensitive enough. ofc I voted for unwinding