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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQ2KlAVkjkO/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== I think he regularly has sex with Kate as part of his protocol. Just a theory

I think it can also be that most people identify with their thoughts and intellect. When we challenge someone's idea, opinion or belief it is often perceived as 'I am wrong, therefor I am bad/useless/whathaveyou' and they feel internalized shame. @Schizophonia is good with this topic

Yep. Big one for so many people. It usually comes down to boundaries. ESPECIALLY WOMEN. 'No' is a complete sentence.

Sorry, but that is not correct. Just because your paragraph is simpler does not make mine incorrect.

Sure, but you didn't extrapolate on the nuance of the topic. So you essentially communicated the OP's question and the dialogue that ensued was not warranting the complexity of answers. But I think it does.

It can be a complex topic. Which is why I think OPs question was very pertinent. There are few topics more loaded than if you propose there is no free will. People literally go mental at the proposition. It has all sorts of implications people do not like. Meaning making can be the devil here. It is complex because its about the relationship between mind, matter and causation. And the reason it is so complex is because every layer of reality you peel back it opens a new contradiction: physics says everything is caused (shit follows laws, particles, your brain too), subjectivity says we choose (we feel like we decide otherwise). But logic cannot reconcile both - if your thoughts are caused, your sense of choosing is an illusion; if they aren't caused, they're random which also isn't 'you choosing' (as a rather shit example). So to me there is a paradox, because determinism robs you of authorship. Indeterminism robs you of coherence. Compatibilism tries to save face by redefining 'freedom' as 'acting according to your motives'. But that sort of dodges the metaphysical question. At least this is to my understanding. So it seems to me it is not just a philosophy problem - its like an ontological fracture. Are we mechanisms, experiencers, both? and every field seems to have a stake in it: neuroscience, physics, ethics, religion, phenomenology...

Probably, surprises. Good or bad. But hopefully good.

In the context of blackpill, I can see why there is a mechanistic crossover as it is simply the brain attempting congruency as a survival method: ie the brain wants to be certain so it knows duration/path/outcome. Which will reduce anxiety/stress. But you can have a cognitive bias completely isolated from anxiety. For example, one can have a cognitive bias in a scientific process and it will not involve anxiety. This was my original point. So there is no disagreement. This is why I raised that the two elements are not the same, and do not have to be linked. But in the context of blackpill the false belief that is caused by the bias will cause internally perceived stress from external pressure, and anxiety as a general samskara relating to the belief as it perpetuates itself. My point was originally raised to highlight that intelligent people often have more powerful cognitive bias as the belief is formed and backed from the raw power of their intellect. Often the thought pattern/critical thinking is correct. But not all data is present. So it is the selective sourcing of data that is the error. And often, the only way to see the bias clearly is to meta analyse thoughts. Which is difficult without a good cognitive behavioural therapist or friend you can be really open with. The only cure is typically extensive experience to accrue more data and accurately observe. I raised this as a way to empower people who may have this bias. Not to disempower them and label such things as anxiety (and incur victim mentality).

@Schizophonia so in your view a cognitive bias is anxiety? I view these things as distinctly seperate.

Not in my experience. You do not have to be anxious to have a habit of thinking with a bias. There is a lot of crossover yes - but it's not a given. Anxiety is an emotional and psychological response to stress, while cognitive biases are systematic errors in thinking that affect how people make decisions and judgments. When the cognitive bias applies to something like dating (being black pilled, as per context) it can cause anxiety but cognitive bias does not inherently do so. It could be yes. They aren't forming a belief based on careful observation & analysis - more reacting in the moment without using intellect to try to solve a problem. Pure non-thinking play and flirting or goofing off to make a woman laugh is probably a good example. In my experience a lot of guys who don't do so well in the dating arena are INCREADIBLY intelligent. But that bias in their thinking is so powerful because the full force of that intelligence is behind their thinking: their black pilled view really is actually correct. Their thinking process is top notch. They have slowly begun to miss key data points in their experience that show the full picture. This typically forms a meaning/belief. It is quite insidious because the thinking and assessment is correct, it is just the bias that makes them see only one data point: IE 'only good looks get girls' by observing their mates dating. But they miss that their mates got girlfriends because they stuck with dating for 18months, whereas the guy in our example gave up within a month. It can be as small as that. Then you end up looking for more data to support your point to confirm is it accurate. Because technically it is. There is just a bit more too it. 2 of my mates were locked into black pill sorta ideology and it took me 4/5 solid conversations to show them how they were operating from a belief, and missing the full truth. And these dudes work at University of Melbourne in the STEM field. They both had these sorts of small subtle loops on their thinking

Honestly 5g is a lot in one go - for me at least. I pissed myself, took off all my clothing, locked myself in the bathroom, and lay face down on the tiles while seeing airplanes emerge from the tiled patterns. I can handle anything around 2g, but 5g? Maybe because I am a chick and sub 50kg weight. I know he has a tattoo for 5meo so it wouldn't be a stretch to surmise he has experience and maybe an idea of tolerance. Interested to hear his report. Anyone know the aims he has with this new protocol?

Not just in relation to this thread - but DAMN @Leo Gura I almost feel you should release the black-pill vid so users can become aware of their own cognitive bias with it. Lots of guys here would probably benefit from it. Even if all it did was show them how their beliefs are being enhanced by their own strong intellect. I find the smarter someone is, the more powerful the cognitive bias. Because they pick the correct data out - but ignore all the other relevant pieces to bring concordance across their psyche (and a more balanced equanimous view of the topic). And their own intelligence works against them to cement that shit in place like a turd that won't flush

The things you listed you want are all desires that won't lead to happiness. Your statement contradicted itself in that you listed temporary ego happiness with inherent suffering, but then said you wanted happiness. It comes across as confused and not well thought out. Almost like your inner world is confused. Just how it appears. And while I think many people do desire happiness, I think most do not know what it is. I perceive you as conflating happiness with pleasure. Even my reply to the OP - if you read it again, it is honest. No lie. OPs reply is also honest. Truth. If you take the time to contemplate, you will see happines being pointed to in the replies. Some people just want peace. Which can become happiness with true embodiment.

Well there's your issue - you do it for your own greatness. Not for other people to see you that way.You'll be locked in ego with a glass ceiling for growth Can't escape the rat wheel with that mindset.

@zurew cheers, the way you phrased your answer cleared up some misunderstandings I had on this topic. @SimpleGuy thanks for the topic 🌱

You can't possibly believe others want something different from life so you look at what you want. And then surmise everyone must want what you want too, so they are lying.

🤦 holychit now you are projecting harder than a postmodernist grading his own essay The whole idea behind projection is that you are unconscious to it. So trust. You just can't see it. And you do it 7/10 posts here! I don't mean this as an attack. In fact I think you are confused only because you haven't realised how you do it - yet.

bruh projecting harder than descartes trying to prove he is real

@Emerald I too am slightly confused with your take here. There may be a nuance or context you are operating from that hasn't been stated. If a woman consensually sleeps with a man - she must perceive him as attractive. Unconscious or conscious. Whether that be looks, social status, intellect, wit, charm, humor. Something in his character is attracting her. Whether it is low consciousness (she has anxious attachment and is attracted to avoidant men, she has had trauma and mistakes love for adrenaline, she has low self esteem and negging makes her approval seeking) attraction or high consciousness does not matter. There is still something there attracting her. That she is matching to within the man. Unless you are referring to the sort of axis relating solely to the physical - IE a woman will sleep with a man who she finds physically unappealing due to his humor, intellect etc. But this is still attraction to the man. My perspective comes from a woman who has never slept with a man I found unattractive. And I have experienced no sexual assault. And my frame is one of enthusiastic consent with the above. I can only think of outlier cases being exclusions. IE a woman feeling she owes it to the man but doesn't like/feel attracted to him. Or feeling guilted into sex.

In my experience as you gain those things you seek, the desire is removed. This reveals a curious emptiness beneath. And diving into that emptiness has been the most revelatory and exciting part of growing older. The inner journey of purification as you attain things, and the synchronous falling away of seeking, lifts off the obscurity that expectation pushed onto us. Clarity. The importance of gaining pleasure or material things has been in the transformative experience and less the thing itself. There is no courage or virtue in being a celebrate monk in a cave unless you know what you are giving up. The experience of this reality is sacred. I know you are already experiencing that process, because you have been on the path for a time already 😊 ...if you are doing it right, that is. And most aren't. Unfortunately most of society is locked in the wheel. Sleeping. And they won't comprehend the beauty of wisdom and experience in the face of the suffering that aging and limitation can bring. They fixate on the loss. Loss of beauty, youth. Ableness. Independence. And so the desire for these lost things takes over and locks people in a calcified mind of lack. I think this is why forgiveness and surrender are such strong pillars of progress.

Maybe old-school Disney. Modern Disney is full of woke ideology and shits out stuff like Tron and Alien Earth. Corrupt money grubbing leads to the endless turd factory of their latest catalogue.

I haven't noticed a lot so far. That being said I really take care of myself and respect my body more than most. What I have noticed is my recovery is longer - so things like hard weights, sprinting etc I need more time to recover. Shit like drinking and having less than 8 hours of sleep hit a bit different near 40. I am blessed with no injury or physical limitations. I haven't experienced any cognitive changes yet. I never crash or slump. No brain fog unless I eat something I cannot digest

Hahaha Waxing poetic. I can picture you entering a beautiful troll mode of replying to posts in ONLY haiku !

@Someone here It could simply be that as you grew out of childhood you developed expectations and had expectations projected onto you. I think in regard to aging up, you have a point touching on the complexity: we seem to trade one set of problems for another. We are less able, but more secure. Know what we want 'clarity', but don't always have the energy to pursue it. Master various parts of the world, but loose openness to knowing. Retire and have more free time: but with a body so broken we cannot enjoy it. Value others more as our social circle shrinks: only to have them die on you or battle debilitating illness. 'Youth is wasted on the young' My advice to you is you cannot possibly conceptualize or try to imagine how you will experience aging. Just like you cannot conceptualize enlightenment. It's another one of those 'experiences'. I look back at my 30 year old self and almost pity her narrow scope of understanding. And knowing how ignorant I was makes me even more aware of how ignorant I am, now.