Natasha Tori Maru

@Xonas Pitfall 100% agree. Who knows if someone didn't translate a word incorrectly - resulting in a whole fucken religious belief system?

No no! The leg-gut kick remember? The fuckers gut you with the legs, and leave you to slowly die, gizzards exposed. Baking on the cracked ochre earth under the hot Australian sun. Carrions picking at exposed entrails... Suffering - what's that?

There's that horrible audio of the woman being eaten alive by a bear floating about... Awful. Buddha said "Life is suffering" It seems reasonable to infer he had not transcended suffering - as he was alive (we assume!) when he said that. Life seems to be a qualifier! If he even said that. Could be hearsay! Or maybe the Buddha never existed 🙃

@Something Funny how about we go for - root canal. No drugs 😈

That's fine, if you don't want to engage.

Might be slightly topic-adjascent only but preferred pronouns are a hard one for me. Boundaries are about what we let in, how we conduct ourselves. They aren't about forcing someone else to adhere to our wants. I've seen a lot of issues arising where individuals try to frame pronouns as a boundary issue. I am unresolved with how I think about this - as clearly offense is being taken. It's the level of offense I seem unable to grasp. It isn't comparible to calling someone a nig8er (as an example). And when I am labelled with something I am not in an effort to offend I just laugh, as it is just so obviously wrong. If someone insists on it its just not worth my time. It would be like someone calling me a bald man on the street - what even? It appears rooted in insecurity and self esteem, but this cannot be it? Not sure.

One thing I don't quite grasp is why cloning was totally halted as a technology? Ethics are an issue, sure. And I may sound conspiratorial but I feel like research may have proceeded that the public isn't aware of. But I concede there may be reasons I am just not aware of. I remain ignorant. Elon Musk, for neuralink, has wired up chimps with chips in their brains running experiments on them for his tech. You can find this stuff if you look. Lots of NDAs surrounding it. Some of the techniques are brutal. I don't want to go into conspiracy thinking due to forum rules. It just causes one to pause and wonder.

Are you speaking for all generations, or just the lower brackets? I haven't looked into it myself - but you seem to know. Do you have any quality sources you can point me to?

It makes me wonder - if transhumanism presents a way to avoid suffering, increase quality of life (and longevity) and treat disease via cloning - how will conservatives deal with this? Nice invitation for a huge serving of cognitive dissonance.

You think self aggrandizement (in men and woman - humans) was not part of our experience prior to modern times?

I am very interested to hear what pro-lifer conservatives think about this. If they argue a zygote is conscious, this is going to be antithetical to their beliefs. This is the transhumanism + ethical nuke from Bryan I predicted and have been waiting for.

Did you read this?

This is something men participate in on an individual level also - and it was present prior to any sort of modern culture.

There is this continued narrative on these forums that women are like some sort of fucking alien species. People need to drop this limiting frame.

Maybe it is the perception he is pushing slightly too hard to shift the Overton window regarding biological immunity? He appears to have accelerated his dialogue (the ceiling of ethics and morals are being pushed on a bit with this recent cloning/harvesting idea). He still has good stuff to share. I've always had a slight ick with him. But that has never stopped me looking for the good from people

Do you point to deep, deep acceptance and connection to what is in our present experience - including what is self generated? I do not want to misunderstand you - I see the movement through emotion, feeling and suffering easing when there is acceptance and surrender. I think your passage is circling a lot of truth - Even Ralston coins it in his book title "Ending Unnecessary Suffering" I always felt the "unnecessary" was very distinctly added in the title.

Agree, running on harder surfaces fucks me up a bit. Trail, dirt, open paths much easier. Distances over 10k I refer too, shorter not so bad. These days (being 40yo) I only run max 5k and cycle or swim longer

Cycling incurs less wear on joints and is lower impact that running (swimming - same deal). Running is great, don't get me wrong 🙂 But long term cycling and swimming are more sustainable. I say this as a lifelong runner, cyclist and swimmer. I have had running injuries. I also notice I am able to recover from zone 5/6 cardio cycling / swimming much easier than running. It'll wipe me out for a few hours. However YMMV and everyone is very different

@Willy Phallicus oh I understand you. There's a leap you are making that might not be clear. And it seems words from me cannot illustrate this. C'est la vie

Arrival ❤️ That movie was beautiful. Engaged my feelings in the best way

This is where I refer you to a practice (I assume you have one). Or perhaps Peter Ralsons works - books - to assist. Leo's booklist has fantastic material for this. One just needs to be clear regarding what IS, outside of all thought, belief, conceptualisation.

Serj moving and emoting as if possessed by life itself: https://youtu.be/Ib-9biUSyh8?si=AqJr3ki2lbkVb_1J

Please don't speak to fellow members like this.

Damaged / traumatized people often unconsciously move toward the pattern of love and attachment they were first shown as children and adolescents. Development is when we lewrnwhat love is - even if it is a twisted malformed version of it. We then go out and seek that love because that is our learned definition. People who have unresolved trauma will usually unconsciously move to toward others with similar core trauma - which can manifest as narcissism, insecure attachment etc It'll be more difficult for a mature, securely attached and non-traumatised individual to lock into a proper bond with a narcissist. There may be some surface levels of attraction, but it would be harder to bond. This sort of dynamic is typically why dating pools are seperated into secure pools, and insecure. There is little crossover as each side filters the other out; secures filter out unsecures seeing instability. Insecure does the same as secures are "boring".

If this cannot be answered - more contemplation is required. Consider that to reach a state of being, one must be outside of all thought and concept. This harkens right back to Zen. And its often the case we think we are above these sorts of traditional teachings - but its also more often the case what was really being said was overlooked. Trouble arises when we have something to prove - this usually impedes true listening.