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Oh.... so if you had an ever so slight curve to your trajectory, like Pluto's orbit around the sun or something, it would seem from your perspective that you were traveling in a perfectly straight line, not a circular orbit. And you'd think that you were getting somewhere, and you'd think that it would end somewhere, wouldn't you? Huh.

"I'm on my way to what I want from this world And years from now you'll make it to the next world And everything that you receive up yonder Is what you gave to me the day I wandered" Is light a wave or a particle? ? Is Donkey enlightened or just fictional? I mean, either way, I love him.

@Nahm I knew you'd come around to seeing it. You ever thought about how narcissistic it is to say from the perspective of earth that "the moon is full" or that it's a new moon or a quarter moon? The moon is like, I'm always a fucking sphere buddy, your perspective just changes and so you think there are things like alignment and reflection of light. And the sun is just like, "what the fuck guys, you're just going around in circles."

Should I doubt the thought of doubt, or the breakthrough itself? Isn't the breakthrough once passed, itself a thought? Is experience itself in the past, or is that an experience of a thought about an experience? With this "in mind", all breakthroughs should be both fully credited, heralded and completely disregarded.

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@Raptorsin7 Honestly is good. But we often get honesty mixed up with perpetuating issues that we don't realize we are perpetuating, because we have done this so long that we believe that they are happening TO us. A resolution happens TO the character only, the author just creates it. If the author does not wake up and notice that he is home, safe, and creating with his thoughts, the character will never get their resolution. The character never wakes up from the story. It doesn't matter if the character desperately wants a resolution, only the will of the author will be done. Don't mistake a resolution with what you really are, the creator of problems and their resolutions.

No, you don't want to limit yourself like that. You already are that without doing anything. You're like an author sitting there in the comfort of their home, with a calming cup of tea, writing an epic battle scene. Just stop mistaking the character for the author.

What separates the ballparks? Walls and fences you gotta break through?

Yeah, kinda like turning on a light in a room full of people and thinking it only illuminates you. Also anyone else's understanding only makes it easier for others to see clearly. So that's pretty amazing too.

I know, it's funny right, we realize that we aren't REALLY the person who can "get it" or not get it, the person who can grasp or lose it, and that feels so amazing that then we pat ourselves on the back and say, "YES, I GOT IT!". If you recontextualize this song from being about sex to being about meditation and Awareness it's pretty hilarious. Armageddon it.

If you're talking about how many times you've got lost in thought, it's WAY more than 1000. If you're talking about how many times you've actually left awareness, then 0. It's both horribly condemning and completely redeeming at the same time. Cause any thought or judgement you took away from it would be...

@Nahm And ANOTHER opportunity to tell me how brilliant I am, completely missed. Shame.

@Nahm ok thanks, I get where you're going. But to be honest, the first interpretation was not good at all, like you pointed out, so to get where you're going, I still had to do some boomerang catching.

Exploring here by what you meant "to rest". You could say thought is our karma, we aren't the ones who stop it, but we sort of absorb it, fully see it as already one with us. If a thought isn't understood or you don't know what it wants or what you want from it, it will keep on coming around back to you, sort of like the karma boomerangs, what you reject comes back again and again looking for a chance to be owned and loved and seen as not separate. Is this what Jesus meant in this parable? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Wicked_Husbandmen It seem counterintuitive to think about a thought from a different perspective than "I don't want to think this, I want to push this thought away", but think about it from a perspective more like, "what do I want from this thought, what does this thought want from me?" I keep continuously interpreting these teachings as "thought is bad, I must stop having them". I can of course discard the thought, and sometimes that's called for I guess, but is the direct way to listen to the messenger instead of killing him?

It's not rare but most people are uneducated about spiritual awakening and so it's not often recognized and can even be passed off as an episode of insanity, a middle life crisis, a breakdown, etc. It will be interpreted the way you filter it. You could be a normal person and have a spiritual awakening that some other a seeker sought for years of his life and never got and you could interpret it as a mental illness and wish you were a normal person. You could say that you are biologically programmed for it. What happens to people who have near death experiences can be triggered by simply letting go of beliefs, resistance and deeply surrendering to emotions and feeling.

What happens when you fall totally, completely in love... with no thing in particular?

@Forestluv I totally get what you're saying but I'm not convinced why we should keep arguing for our limitations as humans. You don't need an airplane or a skateboard when what you're exploring doesn't have a location, when it's already right here, intimately what you Are. You don't need to compare the pros and cons of skateboards and airplanes which doing gives rise to FOMO. All of those limitations that a human body on earth has do. not. matter. No matter. You're already infinite potential. Already, anything is possible.

My guess is that you've developed a food intolerance, wheat, eggs and dairy are common culprits. Talk to your parents about it, I'm sure they want you to be well, and the other strange thing about food intolerances is that it's common that they run in families. So by bringing this up, you might be improving their health too.

What's your diet like? Have you seen a doctor? Sounds like a food intolerance. Try a low Fodmaps diet to help figure it out if you don't have any suspect foods.

This is something that people do all time time. Becky and Alice get together for a reunion 20 years after highschool. Becky traveled the world. Alice settled down and had kids. Becky makes Alice question whether she missed out. Alice makes Becky question whether she missed out. At the same time, they wouldn't really change anything, but they also aren't really fulfilled or secure somehow. They could be really good friends, and really expand each other's heart and world view in a powerful way, but getting together brings up so many comparative and "what if?" fears of missing out that they don't really enjoy seeing each other, because of their own thoughts about themselves. This is the common scenario with spiritual seekers. You can't EVER give full attention to all the amazing powerful methods out there, and you can't try abstaining from them at the same time. You have ONLY your inner resonance and guidance system, which knows which path is right for you at any given time. If you're feeling any fear of missing out at all it means you just aren't listening for it. It is Enough. You said "to me, it is incredibly enticing to approach a gate", but why do you equate "the gate" with psychedelics? Don't you think people cross thresholds and gates of all different kinds on a spiritual path because their heart lead them there? We all came to embody and explore unique manifestations. If the DARE teachers really knew their shit and were woke they would have taught us, "really follow your heart, don't do drugs out of fear of missing out. Don't do ANYTHING out of fear of missing out. Do it because you love it, do it because you're called to it and really learn to listen closely for what you're called to. Then when it calls you will not hear anything else but it." The entire separate sense of self is just a fancy complicated appearing fear of missing out. When you are 100% sure and aligned and in love you have no fear of missing out. It's not at all about choosing the right thing, the right circumstances, or even knowing what you really want, but just listening openly. PHEW! What a relief!!! That's always the case, all the time. It's always now, any thought of past is a thought happening now. See, innocence is never lost.

I don't remember ever starting a spiritual path, I was born into spirituality (religion) and just kept sifting and sorting, exploring and discarding what I was taught with what truly resonated with me. I haven't taken any psychedelics to date. I had an extended over days, weeks, state change experience that sort of culminated into a non-climax of realization that merged and resolved my religious beliefs/fears and the realization of no self. It completely turned my life upside down, and at the same time, changing nothing and opened up my heart/world and guess what? I'm still doing some sifting and sorting. Now though, I see through a huge past framework I tried to live by carefully, and now I see a lot of stuff that I'm willing to throw away and let go of. I don't give narrative control to it. From the narrative lens, I can always take a psychedelic if the opportunity and desire to do so presents itself, but I cannot go back and experience a reality in which I never did that. From the perspective Bashar offered I attracted different teachers in my life. I had transformational, mind opening experiences during pregnancy, labor, and other unique experiences in my life. I'm not going to make the statement that "you must have the experience of giving birth to enter this realm of special consciousness", because that would be incredibly limiting and just... not true. One of the main misunderstandings of the mind is that objects and circumstances can make it happy. Because it cannot remember the pure feeling of happiness without object, (because that is not a thought and can only be now), the mind remembers the objects around at the time and equates the happiness with them. This is a hugely common mistake in spiritual teachings. Rather than teaching people to go towards the feeling, and connecting with their own feeling and intuition, the practices and circumstances that were there at the time of a teacher's realization are attributed with being key. You discovered psychedelics as a very important, game changing teacher. I do not seek to demean their power or importance to you, but to highlight the power and importance of You. The narrative of spiritual giftedness doesn't serve anyone. In order to even have the concept of spiritual giftedness, we have to select spirituality as our "subject of expertise". Just like an IQ test is an unfair measure of the huge scope of human intelligence, as it measures a limited capacity of the human mind to perform, spirituality is the one "subject" that is NOT a subject, just the knowing of what you really are. It encompasses and dissolves all subjects. It is the Gift of Life beyond life and death Itself. As soon as we turn it into a subject that we can measure success in, and measure success in other people in, we color over the pure magic of it. It allows all subjects to be. It is the Love of subject... beyond subject/object relationships, beyond ideas of relationship. If you do not ask the questions, you won't notice the answers when they come to you. You did 20 years of asking questions, then the psychedelic's seemed to allow the answers, but YOU allowed the answers, the psychedelics were just what was there at the time, the excuse, the Mama, the baby bird imprinted on when its eyes opened. The reason I can tell you this with confidence is because I have not used psychedelics but had the realizations and I have imprinted on stuff and attributed the realizations to stuff, and in my case, OH BOY was it the most ridiculous stuff. In your case, plenty other people are here helping you uphold this belief. No one at a party doing psychs just for fun with no expectations gets major realizations UNLESS they asked the questions, unless they asked for them somehow in someway, no matter how vague or uneducatedly. It's not the expectations, it's that you truly, truly WANT to know, but the question and the answer are one, and so you must tap into the feeling of the solution before the answer can be realized. So of course, you got 20 years worth of meditation in that one trip, you built that 20 years of wanting and asking, and you allowed it. That must have felt AMAZING. Allowing IS timeless, and it feels amazing. It's what you really are.

Ok, so what we think we are exploring when we take psychedelics is... what? Awareness? Our own psyche? If we explore a THING, it makes sense that we need a thing to explore a THING with. So if we take psychedelics to know ourselves, ("know thyself") we cannot bring in the belief that we are a separate mind, brain, body, who needs a thing to explore itself with. Are we made of matter? Do I matter? Awareness knows itself. If we miss that psychedelics are a teacher, an aid to connect us with our own Source that we already are, like Bashar is saying, we're going to have marry the teacher, handcuff ourselves to them and go out Romeo and Juliet style when they die, unless we see the teacher as a WINDOW into what we already Are. So my real question is, why on earth would you want to continue to believe that psychedelic allow access to "something" or "some state" that cannot be reached without them? You are so utterly powerful that you are can create that belief and that belief will show the evidence of itself to you. You create your own matrix, so why build that wall in the first place? Do you think we can get Mexico to pay for it? I mean even if it IS free, I still don't think it's a great idea.

Well if there's a purpose of a joke, it's for getting.

Notice how you can't "get" or ENJOY a joke if you... A. Think it's about you (or therefore, anything you take personally). B. Aren't relaxed and are trying too hard to get it so you won't look dumb for not getting it. C. Can't flip perspectives and see double meanings/no meanings, unexpected logical jumps. Notice how getting a joke isn't about KNOWING the answer, (if you've heard it before it's not funny) it's about a loose, lack of ONE held perspective and then, that openness when the punchline hits just allows the feeling of hilarity. Which is what we call "getting" the joke.