mandyjw

You could say that you're tricking yourself or you could say that you see through to the truth. Numbers are a common way that synchronicity shows itself, synchronicity are like glitches in the fabric of reality that guide us into seeing how we create our reality.

You don't need trust when you're consumed by the foolishness of love. It'll either burn you alive or purify you to your essence. It's out of my hands.

@tsuki You're stronger, faster, smarter and we both know it, isn't fear a natural outcome?

@tsuki I got it. Too late to catch it. ARRRGHHH!!!! You know though, if you just pretend to bare you throat to draw someone in, that's not actual surrender, it's a trick.

Sorry? Responsible? Blaming yourself? What sort of delusion of grandeur have you fallen into?

If I had to choose between love or enlightenment, I'd choose love. Luckily, that's a not a choice I will have to make. of course you can deny that there are two paths and only choose to complete one. You either bare your fangs or your throat. There are some who cannot/will not bare their throats. The integration of Love and Enlightenment is knowing that the two roles are one act. You can't know that until you experience each role.

I can't integrate the duality between the aloneness and togetherness of reality and was hoping you could help me. And in the asking of that I feel very vulnerable because maybe I am wrong, maybe I'm attached. It's easy for others to get stuck on a technique that helped them to see their nature and have a breakthrough, how are you to cope on your own if that wasn't a technique but a person? Yesterday I was watching the river and there were these flies sort of bouncing along the surface as the river flowed beneath them and then my kid splashed them and I watched the drops of water merge and the flies scattered and just magically reappeared. Then we walked home and there across from the road the sun was straight ahead and it lit up all these flies that were dancing magically in the road as dragonflies ate them, and I saw that life itself is just a dance or movement and tricks of light. And it's as if to see the dance you have to stop moving and stay still and be the stillness that allows the dance to occur, but yet the stillness is incomplete, it is illusory separate from the dance, and you have to reenter the dance of survival and love. Leo and Winterknight are both mostly correct in their perspectives and need to be integrated within oneness. People don't understand that therapy is not therapy, psychedelics are not psychedelics. Nothingness is not nothing and love is not love. It's Schrodinger's horse, as we ARE the horse and we are sadomasochists.

@jbram2002 Sometimes I let my unconditional love be blocked with conditions.

@tsuki I get the message, you prefer playing with yourself. It seems to be a common condition around here. Leo thinks psychedelics and personal autonomy is the magic that results in awakening to Love. Winterknight thinks that therapy will result in awakening to Nothingness.

I don't have a sword, you're imagining that I do. It makes me want to cry. Two is the simplest it gets before one. I've already written a lot about that in the past few weeks elsewhere. Saying that the paths are infinite is true but it dismisses a very important distinction that if realized would result in the final integration of the two.

Ah... what is the blindness to oneself you speak of? There are two distinct and separate paths Tsuki. Neither is superior to the other. They converge in the end.

When I try to sit back, watch the movie and eat popcorn the director shouts, "MANDY, YOU FORGOT YOUR GODDAMN LINES." I'm so jealous.

Love is blind to ego, it includes ego to such an extent that it no longer exists on its own.

@tsuki If someone declares, "I am enlightened" or "I am no longer seeking" what good could they possibly get from anyone after that? If they were here to learn then out of love you'd let them stay. No one can teach without also learning. It's impossible. It's the universal joke. If someone here is to teach and only teach and is not open to learning then, what's their motive really?

In a classroom there are some students who one disapproving glance from teacher will feel like a knife to the heart. Then, there are others who will only sneer at getting 2 weeks of detention.

@Leo Gura You know it's a game of good cop bad cop, and you're playing the bad cop. You're actually asking people to destroy their understanding of love, love = feeling good. You want them to throw away their hope of love, belonging and inclusion as a worthless desire and switch out the word love for Truth Love, which seems like something akin to the Old Testament God of wrath and fury. Truth Love is not an understanding, it's a feeling that can only be felt fully if one lets go of their desire for feeling good over feeling bad. Huh. Nevermind. I get it now.

I worry about people who don't really know how to look past the pointer, because they are too aghast that you're using your middle finger to point with. At the same time it has a certain charm, but people are going to miss the pointer and feel the need to flip you off in response, instead of jumping into to the rabbit hole you're pointing at. I'm struggling with the loss of leaving people behind but you can't advance a teaching if you aren't willing to do that. I'm not criticizing but I am sad about it. Jesus lost a bunch of disciples at a turning point in his teachings. 59 Jesus said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. 60 Upon hearing it, many of His disciples said, “This is a difficult teaching. Who can accept it?” 61 Aware that His disciples were grumbling about this teaching, Jesus asked them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? The only way I know what you're saying is true is through experience and opening to experiences that were subtle at first. This is the poem and a teaching on it helped me integrate what you're teaching a while ago. http://www.awakin.org/read/view.php?tid=2088

@Truth Addict It's ok, I'm free of my angry outbursts. For now.

I started it. "Brotherhood" like organizations like that seem to give men structure, acceptance and bonding with other men that's hard to get in our society. My sister's old police officer boyfriend was sworn into a brotherhood of cops he wouldn't talk much about. Then there are other groups like the Masons which do a lot of good for society, have nondual teachings at some level or another. Stage blue religion looks at general society and sees all kinds of outwardly unconscious behaviors, and says "look how refined and educated we are." Christian churches and colleges teach men how to present themselves very carefully and speak in a compassionate charming manner.I have a relative that went to a Christian college for a year and he got a lot out of it because now as a general contractor he just exudes this air of trustworthiness. It's all in the presentation. They are the "face" of religion, they are marketers. They don't see or care how Pharisee like they are. But the thing is, they do have honest beliefs bigger than themselves, dedication and self discipline. The need for belonging is so powerful. There's a lot of power in that, even if used for the wrong reasons. Having that kind of structure, a set belief system and peer pressure takes people away from their own gut feelings, it desensitizes them from their own inner guiding light. Either that or it requires that people be disconnected from it to join in the first place. I think that's the root reason why evil comes out of groups and organizations like this so often.

It's a necessary stage in development but if teachings that only go as high as that stage are worshiped, they will get stuck in that stage. Reality is really fucking beautiful, heartbreakingly, ego destroyingly beautiful. Beautiful things are terrifying.

YES, I came across that recently in a Rupert Spira video but had put it out of my mind. There's something feminine about manifestation, a link to giving birth to creation. Tantra is the everything isness side. I'll look it up Shaiva Tantra, thank you! I'm reminded of my humpty dumpty analogy, this understanding awakening stuff is always about pulling pieces from traditions and myths all across the world to put together.

Oh... shit. It was my own power I was scared of the whole time. There's no me, so it's not mine. I found Leo because I've always had uncontrollable passion, fury, anger, I wanted to learn how to deal with my anger. I remember specifically that Leo said he never had that problem in the video. Yet his advice really helped and I got hooked on his videos, so much so that I even tolerated the pick up stuff which bothered me. That was beginning the path to opening to Grace, masculine logical understanding. Years before I was driving home a lonely two hour drive on rural roads and someone passed me in a very rude manner and I got furious about it. 70 miles up the road I found the remains of his car on the side of the road all burned up. I always wondered about the power of my misplaced intentions.