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Read this about Carl Jung this morning. "One sunny day, when Jung was twelve, he was traversing the Münsterplatz in Basel, admiring the sun shining on the newly restored glazed roof tiles of the cathedral. He then felt the approach of a terrible, sinful thought, which he pushed away. He was in a state of anguish for several days. Finally, after convincing himself that it was God who wanted him to think this thought, just as it had been God who had wanted Adam and Eve to sin, he let himself contemplate it, and saw God on his throne unleashing an almighty turd on the cathedral, shattering its new roof and smashing the cathedral. With this, Jung felt a sense of bliss and relief such as he had never experienced before. He felt that it was an experience of the “direct living God, who stands omnipotent and free above the Bible and Church.”

In Transformations and Symbols of the Libido, Jung differentiated two kinds of thinking. Taking his cue from William James, among others, Jung contrasted directed thinking and fantasy thinking. The former was verbal and logical, while the latter was passive, associative, and imagistic. The former was exemplified by science and the latter by mythology. Jung claimed that the ancients lacked a capacity for directed thinking, which was a modern acquisition. Fantasy thinking took place when directed thinking ceased.

One sunny day, when Jung was twelve, he was traversing the Münsterplatz in Basel, admiring the sun shining on the newly restored glazed roof tiles of the cathedral. He then felt the approach of a terrible, sinful thought, which he pushed away. He was in a state of anguish for several days. Finally, after convincing himself that it was God who wanted him to think this thought, just as it had been God who had wanted Adam and Eve to sin, he let himself contemplate it, and saw God on his throne unleashing an almighty turd on the cathedral, shattering its new roof and smashing the cathedral. With this, Jung felt a sense of bliss and relief such as he had never experienced before. He felt that it was an experience of the “direct living God, who stands omnipotent and free above the Bible and Church.”

The quality of leadership is not specific to any gender. This is not true with humans nor with many animal species. Femininity, is after all a concept that is relative. It can never truly be defined in itself outside of culture. Don't forget that femininity is itself, content within a structure.

I believe in clearing the way for everyone to have equal access to do the things they want to do, but you are right that women themselves shame femininity itself, and this is a huge blind spot within the feminist movement. Again though, that's just the level of consciousness we are at. I would like to see society raise the value they give to care-giving jobs and paying more for them, rather than expecting that equality looks like having a 50/50 split of men and women in the field of engineering. In reality, more men are going to be drawn to engineering than women, and more women are going to want to work as caregivers than men. The reality is that people in a stage orange society are much more impressed with seeing a big building go up than having someone make their transition in life with excellent hospice care, so one job is paid really well and the other is volunteer. But the truth is, that many women still get "stuck" in unpaid caregiving jobs, whether caring for children because they can't afford or can't access daycare, or caring for an elderly parent. This is a huge responsibility put on women and it's mostly unappreciated and unseen. That often prevents women from having or exploring any kid of job they want. Plenty of women make fantastic engineers and CEOS and they should have every opportunity to do a job like that. But they still face many prejudices and that still needs to be addressed. Likewise plenty of men make amazing caregivers, and people are sometimes suspicious of men having caregiver jobs. That needs to be addressed too.

You are looking at the content, not the structure. In a stage orange culture, feminists must use stage orange tactics, they must speak the language that is being spoken to be heard. The transition from orange to green will not be painless. Remember this in all situations that seem unfair and it will give you peace, the degree to which you can love others in your interactions is based on your state of consciousness. Once that is seen anything but forgiveness and understanding is insanity. Women have been neglecting self-love for centuries, always putting others ahead of their own desires and needs, sometimes by choice and sometimes by force. There's bound to be a collective ego backlash from that, how could it be otherwise? It's not your fault or the men in your generation's fault, don't buy that if it seems like that is the message being spoken. Collective karma is a thing. It's always helps if you are suffering to zoom out and examine the big picture.

Make small changes and you won't have backlash. Start everyday with a super healthy breakfast, then go from there making little changes as you are inspired to make them. More and more notice how you feel and focus on what you can have (a clear mind, feeling good, a treat without judgement here and there), not what you can't.

Abraham Hicks will solve them dilemma for you nicely. It's mind boggling how magically she seamlessly uses one to teach the other, just like life. Separation is necessary for teaching at a certain point, for example if you want to teach a child to read, you'd first teach them all the letters of the alphabet before you expect them read words themselves.

He uses his name together with dramatic headlines as click bait, true tabloid style. "Alien Bible Found! They worship Oprah!"

@Angelite What is respect, it is a form of love or is respect an acknowledgement of power? Is it possible to love power as an aspect of oneself? Is it possible to respect something without fearing it?

It's the Devil. But to be fair, the Divine Masculine is Lucifer. They are not the same things, they are different symbols with different also important symbols associated with them. They are not evil, they are powers, but in their pure form, they become destructive because balance is lost, and duality is created. So we're separating them for the purpose of understanding them. There seem to be two separate forces or inherent spiritual powers, when examined by the mind of course. Just like the chakras separate energy into seven energy centers to aid understanding of experience, understanding these "two" forces can be incredibly helpful in teaching and mapping your own journey. Some religions worship one and call the other evil, other religions are very biased towards one. The Devil- Passion, associated with heat, with a power that rises from below like fire, lower chakras, kundalini energy. Associated with Goddess Kali. Associated with the Divine Feminine. Passion and creativity. Explosive, impulsive, passionate love. When imbalanced results in overeating, sexual promiscuity, drug abuse, laziness, rage, emotional reactivity. Witchcraft celebrates Mother Earth, and there is an element of maternity and care here, like angry mother bear. Kali is finally stopped by infant Shiva. Lucifer- Intellect, associated with cold, light, a power that falls from above like light, lightning, or rain. Associated with judgmental Gods like Zeus. Divine Masculine, intellect, judgement, separation, (so much so that he separates himself from God and "falls" from heaven, black and white perception of the world, dogmatic. Cool, calm and calculating. Disciplined, loves structure. Repressing. Modern Christian churches, celebrate this "Heavenly God from above" dogmatically with rules and regulations. Strategic, brilliant, building, planning. To give credit for this, I found this mostly unknown author a while ago and this is just my own summary, interpretations of her writings that I thought people here might find interesting and helpful, especially because we talk about Devilry so much. Here's a link to her website. https://www.mischaalyea.com/

For survival purposes, valuing rest and avoiding potentially dangerous situations can be very smart.

Another important question to ask is, what is the difference between worship and deep love and appreciation?

Well now I'm intrigued.

All religions are stories. Taken literally, they become beliefs and dogma, because there is truth and false, there is a true religion and false religions. When beliefs have been let go of, and faith, love and desire to know remains, the truth of the pointers of the stories is seen clearly, and the stories themselves take on a deeper kind of truth. There is no religion that has the truth, each uses symbols and stories that use symbols and pointers. Even for those who has seen the truth of the pointers, studying an unfamiliar religion can be like trying to make sense of a different language. It makes sense, but you still have to put a lot of investment into learning it before you can make sense of it. All religion has ever been is an attempt to explain the unexplainable.

@Angelite The notion that a woman is worth half of a man is a horrific example of dogma created for survival purposes (notice who that benefits), and misunderstanding.

Good point, it just means things might have to get worse before they get better. Which is ultimately fine, but in short term, well, sucks.

@Angelite Beautiful. I don't disagree except with the half part.

@V-8 Only the masculine would suggest that cycles are undesirable. Why does the Divine feminine worship the moon after all? It's known to be a symbol of cycles, to aid in creation. Going round and round is only a problem if you aren't enjoying it. To others it's a dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpmTe3TDdVU

Yep. Impeachment is not good news for liberals at all.

@Angelite Yes but God includes all of creation itself, otherwise God would be a something.

@V-8 In the true "depth" there ceases feminine or masculine or any duality at all. In the Tao Te Ching, the feminine is described as being both subservient and supreme. Here's the extremely tricky thing, the person who fights or rejects patriarchy, or any unfair condition at all has accepted and believed in the patriarchy and therefore has chosen to be subservient to it. The mind may describe God as feminine, or it may describe God as masculine, but this is done strategically, depending on which aspect of themselves the student has already honored, and which they have glimpsed and had an epiphany about. The new discovery is what is talked about, what was always known is sometimes not appreciated. To fuse and accept God with yourself means complete loss of gender or any identity at all, when you separate God, or the Tao out again, they may appear as a certain way. Facets and insights come to you with their own flavor. We just use duality to describe and communicate them.

Quite the opposite.

@Ero The symbolism began simply as things in my life that I loved and was drawn to without any meaning or logical explanation. During my awakening I understood what symbols really were, that the love itself was the significance but there was a logical "pointer" meaning there as well that I had never appreciated. I also understood Divine Feminine as something I always was, I forgave the emotional volatility that I had embarked on the journey of enlightenment to destroy and rid myself from. It was a fire, I had tried to quench not appreciating that it kept me warm and gave me life. Understanding and accepting myself as the Devil was one of the main insights of the awakening. I had already done this on some level but it was not truly "seen" until then because I was dismissing the Devil as an insignificant story. If I dismiss the Devil as insignificant, than I myself must by default be significant. Because the Devil was seen to be true and part of me, "I" cease to exist and never were. "Mental masturbation" is a term that only the masculine mind would use. To a witch who celebrates the Divine Feminine, masturbation is a beautiful expression of sexual energy. No kidding. Creation, imagination itself is mental masturbation. You exist for your own pleasure.

@Dumuzzi Yeah, but the left-hand path, right hand path models fit in with this without issue. It's ok, I'll shut up and get back in the kitchen. I've experienced these firsthand, both in mystical experience and in "real" life. I didn't read a book and believe it, "I read a book and thought, "oh shit, that explains that experience." We are all unique in our own experiences and interpretations of them and that is what makes us so diverse and yet One.