mandyjw

@zeroISinfinity Can't really lose anyone if there aren't any other people, though. Maharaj: The outer self and the inner both are imagined. The obsession of being an ‘I’ needs another obsession with a ‘super-I’ to get cured, as one needs another thorn to remove a thorn, or another poison to neutralize a poison. All assertion calls for a denial, but this is the first step only. The next is to go beyond both. Cause every rose has it's thorn and poison nightshade grows wild on the grave of an herbal healer.

Life becomes exponentially more inspiring and interesting because the fear of the boring, mundane and everyday collapses.

People react to any message that challenges their ideas of what they and the world is. We often have a knee jerk reaction of fear and anger, rather than of curiosity. Most liberals are completely ignorant about Christianity and jump to conclusions that being Christian is equivocal with being patriarchal, homophobic, etc. Sometimes, maybe often, it is though, so... Stage green can be absolutely brutal. They often take their level of development for granted thinking that education and having good loving intelligent parents is something they can take credit for the results of and not simply luck of the draw. Christianity studied for oneself is much different from having grown up in a church and the culture. The societal pressures and brainwashing with interpretations other people have assumed from Biblical texts are what often influence the majority of Christians more than actually reading the Bible itself. Most Christians don't seek, even within their own religion because it's generally discouraged. The religion is tailored for security, it aims to solve the fear of death but also claims conditions and exclusivity to this "salvation", which creates a lot of fear around questioning and seeking. That makes it fertile ground for closed-mindedness and judgment. Because the religion is for people who seek security, it makes sense that those who seek security most will also feel under attack the most. The deeper I've gotten into enlightenment, the more I've realize that many of Jesus's pointers are brutally direct. He was not an Eckhart Tolle, he was more like Nisargadatta Maharaj. He would not have been invited on Oprah. “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” Does not mean that Jesus was reflecting on his life as a traveling teacher, like I assumed most of my life. Little do Christians know the lion waiting to eat them is in the very book they hold so close to their hearts.

I decided to visit Dr.P's grave today. I really wanted to leave him a red rose from my garden. It's silly, I know. When I got there the poison nightshade plant was in bloom and there was an enormous bumble bee pollinating it. I sat on the stone slab which was still very warm from the sunlight during the day and watched the bee. He stayed quite a while, then flew all around and went up to me and then flew off. I left the rose, and the deep red looked so strikingly pretty against the dark gray moss spotted pink granite slab. The whole cemetery is just incredibly beautiful. Impossibly beautiful. On the way out I saw three goldfinches. I had an impulse to check a free book box and when I opened it right on the top was this. It even has a Rumi quote in it. "Neither the world nor the imagination can comprehend the rose." -Rumi

@Johnny5 I have heard lots about him around here but haven't read anything by him. I know Terrence McKenna was a huge fan of Moby Dick too. @zeroISinfinity is accidentally causing a whole bunch of synchronicity for me today, made me remember this scene

It's more fun to just be a mole covered scares children kinda witch. Less people who want to put you in a bottle.

@Johnny5 WHEW! I read Moby Dick about the same time I started getting into enlightenment and consciousness work stuff. Probably only got 1% of the depth out of it, but it was 100% enough.

Yes, why do you stand over the painter's shoulder ask her why she's painting? Got a problem with girls and the full range of their moods and emotions, hmm...? I don't just paint with white and pink and all the "pretty" colors. I like my paintings with lots of black and drama. Oh, here's to you, Mr.blacked out avatar.

Well, I like for my Love to be annoying AF. It just perfectly suits my mood right now.

Yes! You fundamentally change by conversing with another, because you are the exchange itself rather than a solid person having an exchange with another person. In debates we look for resolution, to change someone else's mind, to be understood and validated. There's no resolution because the entire exchange is a miracle. Missing this, looking for the resolution, the changed mind, the validation, is frustrating. Appreciating the exchange itself is Love. Since the heart of what we all seek from any conversation or any pursuit is to feel better, "he" who is most aligned with Love always wins. "You people" still annoy the fuck out of me sometimes though.

I'd prefer to use other analogies but Leo seems to be quite fond of them, and I've been corrupted so here we are.

But an orgasm is just the release of what you messed around to build up, so when you go around silencing those who are spirituality all hot and bothered, you're not a proponent of "orgasms" and lover of "orgasms", you're a cock blocker. Only the best male chimps get to sleep with all the females, right? So what to do? Get rid of the extra males. Orgasms are limited. As long as awakening is felt as something limited and possessed, we cannot have the best of intentions for everyone else seeking the very thing for "themselves" that we use to define ourselves. Awakening is not a bitch you get to fuck. Infinity isn't limited. Awakening is a release, it's a nonevent that we misconstrue as an event, or a non event. Saying nonevent is closer to the truth unless the mind makes "non" a thing. There's a lot to let go of, but you can't look and see what it is you're holding onto if you think you've already done doing the letting go. It may be that both and ALL of us are in the same exact predicament.

That's your belief. You believe in "actual" awakening. Then you use it as a mark to sort winners from the losers. Like 666, the mark of the beast or something. No mark, no posty on the forum. Really though, the ones with no mark are like the lost sheep, the shepherd is supposed to LEAVE the already safe flock in concern for the one lost sheep, not be like, "OK you mislead fucker, wander off all you like, go have at it with the wolves".

Yes! Of course! I had an awakening that totally fucked up my life, bliss states for days, incredible realizations, inexplicable events, etc. All of that though, was the result of letting go, the "awakening" was nothing, a non-event sandwiched between batshit crazy event + intuition, and batshit crazy + bliss, realization. The realizations themselves were just sudden awareness OF things I was holding on to. I had no control over it happening. It didn't happen to anyone. When questioned (mostly) everything VeganAwake saying is right. I was there, I was going to take Eckhart Tolle's present moment with me to my grave, holding on to it. This really is a hilarious predicament. It's NOTHING. NOTHING! It's THIS!

You're spreading "misinformation" here like wildfire, yourself. There isn't anyone there to die, before "it" or not! He's trying to point to letting go of the beliefs, and sometimes around here we hold on to the belief of letting go like the last string keeping us from plunging over the cliff. We're all standing around made uncomfortable by watching this charade. Jokes on us. There's no VeganAwake. You're holding him as what he is in your imagination. You're doing this to him. You're suffering in place of him. Your image of him is you. What are we trying to hold up? What? If you suspend someone for posting while intoxicated that's a good reason. Spreading misinformation on a nonduality forum with the assumption that there's truly correct information, doesn't hold up.

I dreamed that the town plumber (the second rate one, not the first rate one) was going to be my son's new teacher and some other random "facts" and complete nonsensical revelations. There's this sense in the dream of playing along in thought and emotion, even though it's BS and there's even something that knows that it is BS. Even though, the character plays along in thought and emotion and experience just the same. Dream Mandy does not detach from anything at all. She still doesn't want the plumber to teach her son's class. It's not all kumbaya. But it is. And I realized that that's what dreams are, the function of the mind to play along, like a movie playing on its own. And realizing it's a dream is a condition, within the dream!!! Lucid dreaming is a dream. You cannot detach from something you were never a part of. Oh. Come play with me, play with me! Go ahead, put your heart and soul into it. I'll love you, I'll delight you, I'll fill your heart to the brim with joy and ecstasy, then I'll crush them and make you want to believe you never owned them at all. You'll spend your life trying to figure out how to throw them away so I can never do it to you again. You'll detach yourself from them, you'll think you're healed and you'll rejoice at what you've done. And then, unbidden like the tell tale heart, the haunting begins. "tear up the planks! here, here! --It is the beating of his hideous heart!" Come play with me, come play with me! And then I'll reveal to you that they never were at all. Ta DA! And yet you are and the only thing you ever believed in that wasn't is the belief of loss itself. How can you believe in loss, how can you believe in the absence of something when a thought is the making of nothing into a thing? Holy shit. Who wrote this story? https://www.poemuseum.org/the-tell-tale-heart "His fears had been ever since growing upon him. He had been trying to fancy them causeless, but could not. He had been saying to himself --"It is nothing but the wind in the chimney --it is only a mouse crossing the floor," or "It is merely a cricket which has made a single chirp." Yes, he had been trying to comfort himself with these suppositions: but he had found all in vain. All in vain; because Death, in approaching him had stalked with his black shadow before him, and enveloped the victim. And it was the mournful influence of the unperceived shadow that caused him to feel --although he neither saw nor heard --to feel the presence of my head within the room." "And have I not told you that what you mistake for madness is but over-acuteness of the sense?" "-I undid it just so much that a single thin ray fell upon the vulture eye." "I smiled, --for what had I to fear?" "Villains!" I shrieked, "dissemble no more! I admit the deed! --tear up the planks! here, here! --It is the beating of his hideous heart!"

Whatever makes you happy. You can't avoid deception. By believing in deception you deceive yourself.

Looks like an eye or rays coming from the sun. Visually lets you know that all your information comes from... no center. We'll just stick a label on it as if we know and gloss over that though. "All matter came from a dot smaller than the period at the end of this sentence." Mmm hmm.

Infinite is all inclusive, absence of distinction. It's not infinite if it doesn't live up in comparison or expectations. Infinite beauty is not what can be thought or known. It's like saying 4,000 is infinite but not as infinite as 6,000 and believing it to be a fact. It's funny. If you're seeking more or better be honest, that's what you want. Don't mix it up with infinity. Or beauty. Or any other pointer to what can't be measured, compared or valued.

You do understand what's going on though, right? He's found great relief from suffering in that side of the teachings. Those teachings are incredibly valuable when used to unwire beliefs after awakening and mystical experiences, or before they happen. Relief from suffering is what is looked for. At some point the relief goes away, and you realize that those new teachings became a belief to you, and just as if they were a newly acquired material object hedonic adaptation sets in. The new car in the garage no longer gives you a rush when you see it. You know at your core that you have to throw your enlightenment beliefs away, but the fear of past suffering and the memories of joy and relief at finding the way become new attachments. By pushing against other people and trying to convince them, this massive internal conflict is relieved, somewhat, and yet also is brought to the surface. It's not actually an argument or a fight but a desperate attempt to feel better. We all here, have done and do this. I'm not exactly suggesting that anything should be done differently except that this is a common problem and I often see people banned or suspended for it, at a point in time when they may need the support here the most. What is the objective of this forum? Is it to prevent misinformation and to get things "right" or is it to discuss and offer support for people on the path, knowing that each person is their own authority and will know by feeling if information resonates or is false? I just think that if we really question why this keeps happening and reflect on our own paths and our own reasons for arguing and reacting to other's perspectives, we might all "level up" a great deal.

@Johnny5

Dude.

Both of those perspectives are true or both are false. What holds or has a perspective?

Everything is imagination, even black, and even layering on the feeling of disturbingly black on a color. Try it, you'll see. There's barely any black at all, it's dynamic not fixed. Look "closer". There are all kinds of tiny lights with no sense of distance and no way to pinpoint them. It's basically like a really high-tech (or low-tech) light brite "in" there.