Karmadhi

@Leo Gura May i ask why you always stress out the 5000 number, does it have any specific meaning? Just curious

@Leo Gura Yes of course. I was just curious of some people to use as references more than anything else. Copy pasting others ideas as your own is no fun anyway hahahah. I will check the Conversation with God books out thank you.

@Gabith Great work man! @Emerald Also to remove the desire for looks so much makes you able to form better connections with people. Imagine you find a great average looking girl who you could have an amaizing relationship with but you choose not to date her because she is just not "hot enough" for you. Compatibility is more important than pure physical attraction if you want to date someone long term. Also, a vagina is a vagina regardless, it is the personality of the person that makes a specific vagina better (pardon my language). I hope this is not a colossal cope for me ahahahhaahha

@Leo Gura Which teacher would you think has a deep nuanced view on politics except yourself. I want someone that has little attachment to any politican belief or nationality. Sadhguru seems quite biased on Indian culture and how the UK screwed them over for example. He is wise in general and i love his work but for politics i would rather listen to you for example. What teachers you respect even if they dissagree with your views on politican stuff. I would love to check their work out to complement the political videos i saw from you

I never said looks do not matter at all. I said there is more to it and it is a threshhold thing. Fair point however i cannot attract hot girls if i am insecure about my looks. It is a catch 22. I need full confidence and 0 insecurity about my looks if i want to attract them. Maybe in the future if i manage to attract hot girls i will drop the belief i have right not but currently i think it is useful for my journey. Plus i am a decent looking guy anyway. I am not ugly, i am quite fit (muscular and wide shoulders although bit short 5 8 or 172cm), dark skinned (for some it is a plus for some a minus) and around a 6/10 face. I have had girls find me attractive (although not a lot maybe like 1 out of every 10 or so) and therefore even i attract some girls i will just think it is because they found me cute and the belief about my looks importance will not change. Every time a girl was interested in me (some of those girls were legit attractive) i just thought i was because of my looks and maybe cuz i am relatively smart and friendly. So i think for now i will just use this belief and maybe will drop it in the future. However since i do self actualization work i do not want my worth as a human being to be reduced to my appearance. Therefore i tend to not to do it for girls either, i find it quite cruel. If a girl is attractive enough for me and takes care of herself that is all i need looks wise. For sure.

@Emerald Yes very fair points. There is beauty in not just looks. Idk how someone can be super secure with their appearance while judging girls looks and placing their worth based on their looks. The cognitive dissonance would be unreal

@Bando I agree with your reply. The way i escaped the blackpill was just to be honest with myself. I am a decent looking guy and had girls find me somewhat attractive. They are not majority but still exist. Maybe 1/5 find me somewhat attractive (very decent) and 1/12 or so find me legit attractive. So i cannot use blackpill mindset and feel like i am fucked. Also i tend not to flirt i make the convo man to woman much, i just make jokes tease and act friendly and cute. Why blackpill seemed interesting to me was that i used it as cope not to flirt with the logic that if i was Chad i would not need to flirt to get girls. Girls would just throw themselves at me as long as i made jokes and acted normal. It was a massive scapegoat. However i have a luxury that many do not have. If i was legit ugly and had tried many times with no success i do not know if i would be able to escape the blackpill that easily. I spoke with incels in such situations and did not know how to help them. What can i even teach someone that tried 1000 approaches without success?

@somegirl Nice advice however it does not equate well. You get guys hitting on your regardless and judging from your picture you do not seem ugly at all (at least body wise). You look quite nice if i can say. An unattractive guy with an average personality is at the bottom of the sexual market. He needs good game and personality if he is unattractive. @Leo Gura What i found with most incels i talked with is that they try to hit on maybe 100 girls then they take rejection so badly it destroys them. The way they frame failure is very toxic. “I am scarred after 100 rejections an incel told me. Their attitude is quite toxic even if they try. Also there is one thing i just cannot understand. From one side you say girls want a strong MAN. Then on another side you say you should act more like a girl. It confuses me

@Bando A detailed video from Leo regarding Incels and the blackpill would be helpful. People here tend to ideolize him way too much so maybe his word would help them a lot. FYI- I used to be blackpilled for a few months last year and the blackpill in itself has some truth to it. YES, IT WILL BE EASIER IF YOU ARE GOOD LOOKING. Just like it will be easier to become rich if you are very smart or become enlightned if you have good spiritual genetics and shit. However the way the blackpill deals with it is so toxic, retarted and downright crazy it becomes apparent when you being deconstructing it. With blackpill logic, we should not work if our IQ is not 150, we should not meditate or do any spiritual work if we do not have Sadhguru hardware etc etc. Just dumb. What the blackpill boils down to is a rationalization of lazyness. You compare yourself to people that have shit easier than you and use it as an excuse not to improve your situation. Adopt a mindset where you do not compare yourself with other men. Yes 0.35 percent is low, and maybe Chad does have a higher success rate just because he is handsome. NOBODY CARES. 0.35 percent is still bigger than 0 percent.

@Lucas-fgm That gives me so much hope. I am southern European but i live in Belgium. I have not interacted much with local girls outside of pragmatic conversations since my circle is international since i study in an international university. Plus, locals are quite cold. I had a brazilian girl find me somewhat attractive though so i guess anything can happen. Hopefully if i start hitting on locals me being southern european will give me an edge on top of having some decent social skills. Belgian guys are very lame (like 80 percent of them). If you talk to them first, be expressive, make jokes, smile a lot, playfuly tease and touch and act self grouned you will easily be top 20 percent of guys. Maybe even 10 percent.

Only thing with Swedish guys is that they are unbeliaviable attractive making even a decent looking guy in other countries look like shit. However from what you described me about them they seem lame so it is balanced i guess.

@Javfly33 John Anthony claims to have 150 a year at an advanced level. Idk how accurate that value is though. However, there are pretty of guys that have 300+ laycounts so i think 30 a year is not that much at an advanced level. Maybe 50 a year would be more realistic especially if you use online dating properly. You can get a lay a month easily from online dating alone if you are good at using it.

@Javfly33 I think it takes online game, daygame and night game into account. Not using online while learning to get girls is a dumb mistake imo. USE ALL CHANNELS!! Maybe online dating will get you 1 lay a year, who the fuck cares. It takes a lot of work to make a good profile, true, in terms of getting high quality pictures etc. However once that is over it is kind of autopilot. Just swipe while taking a shit and set up logistics for dates. It does not need to be your only source or main source, just 1 out of many. Consider it as passive income.

I read somewhere from a top guy that top guys have around 10 percent close ratio for each number they get. So 10.000 phone numbers would result in 1000 girls.

@Preety_India "What is beauty" would be a good video idea for Leo now that i think about it.

@Leo Gura Antisocial? Sociopathic yes, selfish yes, but antisocial? I thought pickup was anything but antisocial. Very true, however in the past your wealth and income bracket was kind of fixed and these days it is very flexible and encouraged upon. Maybe in the next hundreds of years it will be regarding sexual stuff too. I am happy youtube and rsd is making pick up and stuff like this more popular despite the backlash.

@Consilience I am curious why so few actually do it. Why is it not normal and common for guys to do this, almost like a rite of passage into menhood hahaha. I know that you will say because it is hard as fuck, which it is. However, other difficult things are encouraged which are difficult like eating boring healthy foods, working out, running, developing crazy work ethic etc. The biggest reason maybe it is that guys scared to approach girls is because of the stigma it has? Maybe it would be cool if it was removed hehe. PS: I know it will not happen with the cancel culture we have these days but just saying it would be nice if it is done in a healthy respectful manner (catcalling does not count for example or touching people sexually without permission etc). PS2: I know for females it would be a bit annoying to get approached a lot but the other alternatives are not much better (angry incels, shooters, mysogonistic guys etc).

@Preety_India That is a good argument. Honestly i do not know the actual ratios since a lot of the members of this forumn have asexual names and profile pictures (me being an example).

@Preety_India And complaining man are seen as weak and pathetic starting from our beloved admin of this forumn to most of it's members. Being looked badly at for dating complaining is honestly judged when both sexes do it.

@Preety_India Looking at feminists at the west i do not think this is the case at all. Most people here are from western countries. I am sure in some eastern countries women get shamed a lot especially if they are religious countries. Also this is annonymous this forum anyway.

The fact that 90 percent of dating related complain threads are made by guys in this forum shows a lot. Why you think that is everyone? Why the females are not complaining as much as males are (they are but a lot less). If dating is struggle for both genders then shouldnt the complain rate be 50-50 instead of 90-10? I would be curious to know.

@somegirl As long as guys are not getting laid or having relationships they will complain. Sorry but it is just the way they are... To them this shit is like food, not getting it feels like starving. Trust me, those that do not complain on forums complain to their friends in real life when they drink something together.

@Parththakkar12 Because it is not socially correct to say i am attracted to narcissistic sociopaths. If someone told that you to you, you would feel like there is something wrong with her. Therefore, dating fantasies are created. A colossal cope. It is true that guys are honest about being attracted to physical features however those things are not negative traits but just neutral. Being narcissistic, very independent to the point of giving 0 shits about others , assertive, dominant etc can be great for the individual that has these attributes in aiding his survival but it harms society as a whole. Most issues in the world have been caused through history by these very traits. Meanwhile a big set of tits harms no one.

@Leo Gura Females loose a lot more by sex than guys due to pregnancy. Therefore, they are more selective and pickier by default. A guy looses nothing by sex, a girl can get herself and her baby killed if she fucks an unworthy man. Therefore, women are hypergamous and only select high value guys to mate. It is needed for her survival and makes total sense.

@something_else Could be so. Either way if asked the unevenes of the attraction triggers for both genders in terms of how "shallow" they are is not equal. Looks are considered shallow, confidence and charisma is not considered shallow. Both are purely survival based, shallow and not related to truth. The whole notion that guys are shallow because they care about looks while girls care about personality. Of course they will not kill you but it is less socially acceptable and taboo to say. Idk, i did not make this thread. I tried to bring it into the direction the opener intented since i read 20 comments talking about slut shaming which honestly, in a forum like this is kind of ridicioulous to discuss.