Karmadhi

EU is a great concept and i think one day it will be fully actualized but it will take quite some time. There are huge development differences between the countries, both morally and economically. In the next 50 years i see it happening though.

Keep moving forward...

@Hardkill They spend a shit lot of time watching tv shows and especially on social media. Video games and porn are more of a guy thing.

Why do you do it then? You already have decent skills socializing from your early years of pick up. Is there a specific reason you do it these days if you do not enjoy it?

Idk why watching Leo party and stuff touched me a bit, you see him more as a human rather an advanced teacher that is a floating head on a black screen in Youtube

@Preety_India Too advanced for this topic hehe

Orochimaru is stage red man

@K Ghoul Do most people there dislike or like their government? Curious

Honestly i am 23 years old and i can tell you that my generation is much less judgemental about this shit. A girl will not be judged that harshly anymore about sleeping around and stuff, especially around more liberal people. These days calling a girl a slut automatically makes you sexist. This assymetry between guys being good for fucking a lot and girls being bad is slowly being reduced. It does exist but i am sure a lot less than it did for your generation (we have like 13-15 year difference i think). I am talking here about western developed countries where we both live. In a stage blue country, it is a totally different story. Now of course if you are totally totally permiscious and sleep with like 100 guys before 25 then yes people will judge, but if a girl has a one night stand or friends with benefits or casually sleeps around is not judged that much.

May i ask why women have less difficulties finding a guy commiting to them compared to a guy getting laid? Even low quality ones. So why women's sexual agenda (to get a guy to commit to them) is usually more often satisfied than a guy's agenda (to get laid). And here i am not talking about quality. A guy usually struggles to attract or sleep with ANYTHING, meanwhile a girl always has some options for relationships but struggles to get the best ones. Why this assymetry, i never understood it. Ps: I am not talking about hermits here but more like "normies" including "introvert" normies.

@Leo Gura Do you ever do date lays or just same night pulls when you go to clubs? And you do daygame anymore?

Isn't a decent girl a better deal than a hot girl? This is so much shit tbh just for like 2-3 points of physical attractivness. I feel like it is better mentally for you to be dating a 6.5-7 than a 8 or 9.

Okay so i have noticed that whenever i am talking to a girl and another guy is also talking to her, either directly (same set) or indirectly (social circle stuff for example etc) and the guy is better looking than me i start to feel a bit outmatched. When it is just me and the girl talking i tend to block the idea that other people even exist but in general you will have multiple guys competing for the same girl, especially if the girl is somewhat decent. "This girl is being hit up by 3-4 other guys that look better than you, why should she choose you" is a thought i have sometimes when i am by myself reflecting. Basically i am intimidated by male competition. When it is just me and the girl, things are fine, i am quite confident and do my thing. When the idea that other guys are competing with me i tend to feel somewhat inferior and second doubt myself. Usually it is appearance that i feel insecure about because where i live most people are quite good looking (tall, blonde, good jaw etc) and i am more dark skinned, shorter (although muscular) and okayish decentish features but nothing crazy. Sometimes i am also intimidated if the other guys have more charisma or are more dominant than me although where i live that is not usually the issue. So what do i do to feel more confident about this? Should i just block the competition thoughts on my head 24/7 or? Any advice would be reccomended. I know some of you will say to be funny, confident etc but most guys from what i have seen are like that. Especially humour, everyone has it. I have barely met any guys in my life without a sense of humour. It is very hard to differentiate yourself with just humour. Keep in mind i am naturally introverted and low energy person (although quite decent social skills, and very high social intelligence).

I had this simple question At least around me i usually see that when a girl is pretty or hot, the guys she dates are usually above average looking. If guys personality is so important would not it make more sense for them to date the most assertive, confident and funny guys instead of the best looking guys?

David Goggings! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swj8GIIivXs

Most of the people here are between 17-30 which means they will be more towards orange. Kinda hard to be solid green at 25

Not at all, the point of naturals is that they do not need a lot of approaches to get good. They basically learn super fast and need little work. It comes off easy to them, just like it came easy to Mozzart to play the piano. I doubt any non pua that is not a celebretiy or politican has talked to more than 1000 girls in his lifetime. Lets say i go to a cafeee with 2-3 of my friends then walk around a bit. Or go watch a move or play bowling or something. Where during this process can i talk to new girls? Honestly. You need to make specific time for it or just approach randoms when you are by yourself going around places. That is super doable but it will require a lot of time and dedication. You go to a club for 3-4 hours twice a week and spam approach people. Not really something most people do. Idk why people like Leo and most puas really look down on social circle, it is imo really good to get girls. A lead from social circle is as solid as 30 leads from cold approach. The fact that most non-online dating happens from social circle shows a lot.

The whole issue on this discussion is that most guys are not willing to talk to 5000 girls and spend 2000 hours going out. They just are not. And do not confuse being social with going out for pick up. You can go out with friends and have fun, and talk to 0 new girls. When you create a solution that requires this crazy amount of work nobody will really even consider it and nothing will change. It is not scalable, maybe 0.1% will do it. The whole reason why people like John Anthony are so appealing is that he says he can get you results relatively fast compared to others. Personally i would willing to do 1000 approches but 5000-10.000 is crazy honestly. People got jobs, social lives, hobbies etc.

Most of them do though, they just dont use them for long periods of time like men. Most women i know have used them at some point, even smart intellectual shy girls.

I have done that. I met once a 4/10 girl from Tinder and she had more matches and likes than me 9/10 friend who did modeling. Online dating for girls gives them crazy volume. I have met only 1 person from there. The point is everyone uses them which gives them unrealistic expectations. That girl you meet on your class also uses or has used online dating. Which is why i intend to start daygame, gives you better girls than club regularls. Considering you do not have to approach nor lead being shy as a girl is not really that big of an issue. Yes well 22 years of doing what you said gave me shit. I only started seeing some results when i actively went for it instead of "letting it go naturally". What happened naturally is that i would meet a girl, had 0 clue what to do and got friendzoned. That was "natural" for me. Learning to flirt, be playful, make jokes and lead is the opposite of natural and it took crazy effort from me. Now it takes way less due to practice but unless i conscioussly tried to improve and change it i would probably never been on any dates yet. I have said it many times and will repeat it here. Being social and good with making friends and being good with girls are 2 totally different things. You can be social guy that has a lot of cool friends (guys and girls) and still suck with girls. Because you do not need to learn how to be playful,flirt,lead or be assertive to make friends. You do need it to get girls though. For someone like me these things had to be developed and it was really hard. I am quite happy with my progress the last few months though. Lets stay positive for the future

@Preety_India Those are bit harder to find because they are less social and do not frequent social places much. Only way to meet them is through friend of friend (really luck oriented) or daygame them (could work i guess). Most girls i went on dates with were quite social girls but all of them used online dating at some point and had relatively highish standards (they went out with me because they found me nice looking and cool/interesting aka good first impression). I had to work quite a bit on myself to be able to get the dates in the first place. Which shows how demanding girls can be. I consider myself around a 6/10 looks wise and i feel like i am a LOT more tolerant than a 6/10 looking girl regarding standards and shit. Which is why i say what i say. I would be quite happy with a 6/10 looking girl though if we vibed and shit, i am not that picky looks wise. Especially for non serious shit.

@Leo Gura I am not talking about wings i am talking about normal life. Experienced wingmen are outliers, anomalies, trained warriors, they are not the norm. If you talk to 2000 girls of course you will manage to get some of them. I am talking about your university, your circle of friends, your workplace or your mall. Everyday places basically. Plus you know you can be short, asian, black etc and still be super good looking. Zac Efron is like 5 7 or something (just saying). What i get from what you are saying is that most not good looking guys are clueless about game so girls are forced to go for the more attractive guys, except the few outliers that do have good game and break this situation. @Preety_India Juding from your picture you are not from my generation. Girls expectations from my generation have gone crazy, online dating and instagram culture has played a big role in that. Not just in looks but also in lifestyle. Plus you are in this forum, i cannot take you as the "normal" girl. Not just you, but any girl here. You are too actualized and consciouss to be taken as the norm.

@Preety_India Well they judge me super harshly on 10000 other things so yes it is unfair to be judged on looks also. I give 0 shits about a girls confidence, charisma or how "needy" she is. However girls judge you super harshly on those things. If i was not judged on those things i would not mind being judged only on looks.

@Leo Gura They say females are hypergamous because they usually lock 1 guy and stick with him compared to the guy just fucking many women and not seriously committing to just 1. Biologically females tend to be more picky because of this system where if their pick is bad she and the child are fucked versus the guy who can fuck 1 "bad" pick out of 15 and it is still okay for him. Hence females tend to be naturally more picky due to simple biology and evolution. I personally think this makes sense tbh, you have said yourself that females and males have totally different dynamics. Now whether red pill abuses this for their own agenda is another issue totally, i cannot say about that much.

I have read a lot of red pill ideology and even though a lot of it is super toxic there is 1 point which i partially agree with them on. Due as you said to survival being easier, females know can pick who they want to date. Females in general tend to want to date guys whose value in her eyes is higher than hers. What this creates is a situation where females want the top guys and do not want to settle for anything below them. From a individualistic point of view this is really good because if you raise your value and work on yourself you can get the whole "pie" as to say. You can get good results. However from a society point of view this creates a situation where like 25-30% of bottom guys do not get anything, it is quite capitalistic. The top 10-20 percent of guys get the whole pie, the bottom 30 percent gets close to nothing. Traditional marriage was an institution created to give everyone some chance of finding someone. Love communism you can call it. Now with that being slowly gone, you have this situation. The issue with society level stuff is that you cannot use the same solutions as individualistic situations. You cannot tell all guys to work on themselves because value itself is relative to others. It is not absolute. So no matter how much they work they will still struggle compared to the top guys. A society where all men have closely to same "value" is impossible. That is what the Red pill preaches when they complain about dissolve of marriage. What i wrote is my interpretation of what the red pill has said, it is not my own "invetion". I am just parroting them in a more nuanced and non-hateful way. I would love your thoughts on this Leo.