Karmadhi

I am rather unlucky then, so far they ve all been like this. I ll keep moving forward regardless until i find someone that loves me the way i am.

Idk why i always get girls like these, i just want a normal girl. Lessons learned. I am very straightforward in dating regarding meetups and stuff. I never say anything explicitly but i never play these dumb af games. So far every girl i have been on dates with has been weird in her own way. Well i replied to her story 2 days after and texted a bit then suggested to meet up later that week. To me this is more than enough to imply i had a good time.

Yes but i was rejected/friendzoned when i did this in the past (not touching nor kissing on a first date) . I would rather not make the same mistakes again. Most first dates do not end up with sex yet people still end up together. Lesson learned. Leo scolded me too about it. I am just extremly punctual and i would always show up even with a friendly meeting with another guy and i project that into others and expect them to do the same. My mistake. I doubt i gave such a strong player vibe that i would EXPECT sex on a second date. However this is just my assumption, maybe you are correct. That is what i have been planning to do. Getting the meetup is the hard part. She is being bit defensive about it.

Exactly, they are the hardest ones to get due to their conditioning so as a beginner i am a bit lost, hence why i made this thread. I always text like this tbh, it was her that opened up this "hey btw this is friendly meeting right" BS. If i ignore her bs and try to arrange a meeting and she brings up again this "friend" bs should i just clarify it or just flirt back.

I am trying not to get too attached to it because i have suffered greatly in the past from over-investment with girls. Made massive progress in this domain but still could be improved a lot. At this point i feel like being sociopathically detached is the only way to date and stay sane as a guy

I mean yeah but this one comes from a more conservative culture so i do not think she has 20 bodycount like most western girls do. Does not mean she will not fuck under the right conditions but i doubt she will agree to fuck me on 2 dates, keep in mind i dont have PUA level game. If she actually did not show up on the date on purpose then it is a purely dick move and really disrespectful. I wanna believe she forgot due to low investment since we did not text for a week, not that she did it on purpose. The one i went out with 3 months ago definetly would have but with her i messed up by not kissing her on the first date. Ok thank you, will keep it in mind.

I know man i learned that 2 years ago. Each failed date, a lesson never to be repeated. Funny enough 3 months ago i lost a super dtf girl because i did not kiss her on the first date when she clearly wanted to (i made a post about that also) and now i am getting "shit" for kissing someone on the first date. The BS is endless with girls.

Leo is saying what works, not what fits the female agenda.

If she is obviously into me why would she play these dumb games which could cost her me. Isnt it better for her to just implicitly go along with what i do instead of playing these dumb games. If i was into someone i would be happy to meet them instead of playing dumb games which could ruin the chances of me meeting them. At least this is how i think about stuff, maybe girls are different.

Yeah that is my last resort, but i prefer to do these things implicitly rather than a big "i like you" stuff.

Thing is i do not have a clear meet day yet. She said "unsure" about the weekend and the only day i can meet her is when she will probably be with other people and fuck that. What is worse is that i need to get out of her game shit first, so i think flirting back is the best thing to do atm.

@Reciprocality How do i respond to her? I basically copy pasted the last messages she sent me. "Is it really friendly tho" and "What was weird about last time" She says something like "yes very friendly" and "haha nevermind, beer in empty stomach i guess" Any texting advice to proceed. I really suck at texting.

The act itself is quite low consciouss because it is based on animalistic instincs and forces that drive survival. There is nothing wrong with this, idk why you all judge it because of this. You are not consciouss nor have control of what you find attractive in someone, neither do I.

His point is that sex itself is a low consciouss things and it is tbh. It is the base of Maslow Hierarchy of Needs and it is totally based on animalistic institcs that have nothing to do with any sort of development. The lowest consciouss animals, perform sex. At least that is my take on it. Pick up basically is about such an activity (getting sex). Now what these people dont understand is that unless this need is somewhat met then you will always struggle to grow yourself further. Low conscioussness is not always bad, i notice this forum has this bias where everything "low consciouss" is automatically bad. Fear of a lion is low consciouss yet it keeps you alive.

Which is why in Red Pill guys do not let their girlfriends go in clubs if they also are not there. How do you exactly avoid your girlfriend sucking some random dick if you are not there. Or are those girls just bad eggs? These stories really make me suspicious. How would you feel if your gf told you to go on a club with her friends and you know exactly this sort of stuff happens in clubs? No matter how good your game is, she will probably meet some other guy with better game than you. Especially if she is attractive and gets hit on by a lot of guys. I really dislike the idea of controlling girls but if this is the results of you letting them loose, then idk what to say.

I have no interest in pulling a dime from a club. If i want a one night stand with a dime i would just pay an escort and get her to fuck me instead. What i want is a girl that will stay around, not just a one night stand. Nobody is saying, it is easy but it is much easier to pull a dime then to keep her. I doubt a dime would be a girlfriend and stay loyal to guy for years who she thinks works at Walmart and has no ambition for his life. If that is the case then my bad. I just have never seen it.

Are you able to make them your girlfriend and make them stay loyal to you though? It is easy to pull a model from a club but keeping her long term is another matter. All your girlfriends have been models? What matter is the quality of your girlfriend, not of the girls you pull from clubs. Everyone can get lucky with a drunk girl that is emotionally willing to get fucked and horny.

That is super true and i have noticed it myself. I do not understand why though. From a survival POV it makes no sense.

Good genetics i would say. That is what it boils down too. Sadhguru slept 3 hours a day for years and he was perfectly fine doing that. For most people that would not work at all. I think Buffet is an outlier, most people cannot afford to eat like that all their lives and be healthy.

I love how girls from one side want to reproduce with whoever will ensure their survival the best (makes sense), which is why they love things like leadership, strenght, confidence, status etc. Then they also "love dumb" when "dumb" is the opposite of ensuring your survival. If someone could explain to me plz i would be forever grateful.

If a playboy that gets tons of hot girls or a player wrote what i did then what would your reponse be to him? I have seen a few that say that dating if you re not a top 20 percent man or an "average" guy is super fucked and extremly hard. These guys probably are on the top 1 percent of guys so u cannot say they "feel frustrated and lonely". What will your response be to them?

Actually if you want ANY girls you have to work for it. Even "low quality" girls need work. Otherwise we would not have 1/3 of the population as starving incels that never get laid. Every girl has different tastes, if you do not meet HER personal minimum threashhold then yes you will not be able to get her. Move on to a girl that might find you datable. Balding can be fixed, just do a hair transplant. Millions of people have fixed it using this way. If it really bothers you so much it is worth 5000 dollars for a hair transplant. It is not necessary though. I have seen a few people like this, that seem to have everything against them looks wise. They still got a partner though. Idk how but it happened for them so yeah. Stay positive! And people that are born blind will never be able to experience "vision" in their life. Life aint fair. This logic applies to girls also. A girl that is born very ugly will have a shitty romantic life relative to average or hot girls. It is not a gender thing. From my experience the better looking you are the less game you need. Personally sometimes i get jelous of some of my good looking friends who have girls throw themselves at them meanwhile i have to attract them using my personality mostly but it is what it is. I can tell you that if you struggle with something and then finally get results it will feel so good you cannot believe it. The first time i finally made out with a girl i had this euphoria for a couple of minutes that felt better than an orgasm. Insane stuff. What you find difficult and rare is also valuable to you so keep grinding! And lastly i saw your face that you posted. You look quite good to me actually. Good jawline, big eyes, you can grow a good beard, compact face etc. You' re DEFINETLY not ugly so this whole looks discussion is just some bs in this case. You do not need to be a legit CHAD to get results with girls! I have seen much worse looking guys than you get results so yeah stop coping with this bs! I can assure you that looks are not the reason why you are not getting results (if that is the case), it is other factors.

If i can ask, how is your health btw? I remember you were doing a purely meat diet and it made your symptomes go away. You are feeling better thee days?

You need to talk to a lot of hot girls. It actually benefits you to befriend a few of them and just be friends so you can start seeing them as human beings instead of some god figures. You will see that they have the same issues, fears, insecurities etc as any other girl. This will help you unpedestelize them. This should be done while you are talking and flirting with other hot girls. So befriend maybe 10 percent of the hot girls you talk to and hit on the other 90 percent. The deeper solution involves two factors. The first is to actually raise your own PERCIEVED value to the point where it matches a hot girl's value. The second and deepest one is to unhook yourself from stage orange mindset and go towards green. When you go towards green your idea of a "high value" human being will be a lot less materialistic and more internal. A hot superficial girl for example, you will see her as legit below yourself. Yes she is hot but who gives a fuck, she is an emotional mess, i feel bad for her. This is how you will think of it. Hope it helps. Ps: You need to TALK to hot girls, you cannot avoid this no matter what.

Actually you can get away with being like this if your girl is really in love with you or if you come from a more conservative culture. I know because i am originally from such a culture. However, in a feminist country you cannot do this shit or you will get dumped asap