Karmadhi

Unfortunately in most societies men are supposed to get married around 30 before they peak in value so they never capitalize it properly. In my home country if a man is 35 and unmarried people will start wondering if there is something wrong with him. If he is 40 and goes for a hot 25 year old people will judge the shit out of them. Being a player till 40 and getting married at 45 is a Western priviledge. In some countries men marry at 25 ffs.

I have noticed, even with very intelligent well educated females i know, they pick their partners JUST based on how they "feel about them". Nothing else is taken into account. I never understood this, personally i would never seriously date someone just because of how i felt. Are guys more logical or it is a deeper element to this?

PICKUP ARTISTS MUST BE STOPPED - YouTube This is a video AG Hayden made which shows what i mean exactly. These feminist garbage videos really contribute negatively to society. They are as toxic as a Andrew Tate videos and should be banned. Bunch of biases.

I still dont think its a good idea to shame masculinity, especially the non-toxic one and pussify men. Even Leo has said this in a comment he made in his old pickup videos, went something like :You have become pussified by modern society. Pussifying men does not help society.

Library and parks. Conferences Events with an intellectual component to them like book seminars. University campuses IF you re the right age and can pull it off. Anywhere thats not a club/bar almost hahahah.

Why are men today so meek and weak and soft compared to the in the past? I also see it especially in rich developed countries. I have read that society enforces this to make it easier to control them and it rewards meekness and not standing up for yourself by shaming masculinity in the media. Owen Cook and many PUAs have said this. What are your thoughts?

Do you have something against daygame btw? I notice you never mention it, only nightgame on clubs and bars. I know plenty of guys that do like 20 approaches a week from daygame (10 per session/2 session a week). You think is less effective or? I personally do better there than nightgame that is why i was wondering.

Ok now i understand. Makes sense.

Does this also work with conservative girls? I feel like this is true for more open liberal western girls but not every girl is like that. Where i live at least, some (not all) girls need to kinda get together or think it will be something serious before they even have sex with you. So i think it really depends on the girl level of openess when it comeS to sexuality. However, in the USA girls are super open from what i have heard from my friends that did Erasmus there or come from there (i live in a super intertional city) so what you say makes total sense. For example if the OP was from India (i see you have many indians in this forumn) then things would be totally different because that culture is way more conservative when it comes to sex. Just saying it does not apply to all cultures, only to open ones like in the USA. @Vercingetorix Where are you currently approaching, like what country? USA?

Of course but we are talking about pickup coaches here. I would gladly listen to Owen for life purpose and motivation stuff however that is independent of knowing how to run an interaction with girls, how to approach in a smooth way, how to push towards sex and how to text/maintain the girl. If he was a life coach for example i think he would be good at it. Why not both? Why not learn from someone that is good at explaining and also is good at the thing itself. I get your point though.

He has plenty of collabs with other coaches, he shits on most especially RSD but not ALL. I have seen a lot of his roasts and some of them are quite bullshit and picking for no reason. The one with Owen though seemed quite legit. It boiled down to the fact that Owen does not have great game and therefore should not be your coach. Which makes sense. You should get coached by someone that is actually really good himself and gets good results (not necessary John, just someone really good).

He has plenty of collabs with other coaches, he shits on most especially RSD but not ALL. I have seen a lot of his roasts and some of them are quite bullshit and picking for no reason. The one with Owen though seemed quite legit. It boiled down to the fact that Owen does not have great game and therefore should not be your coach. Which makes sense. You should get coached by someone that is actually really good himself and gets good results (not necessary John, just someone really good).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPkDmqfr6s You mean this guy? Lol. Even if only 10% of what is said on the video is true, it is enough reason to stay the fuck away. Your friend AG Hayden is much better role model for learning game. Also seems introverted too and not natural since birth so good for learning from.

I feel like to do well with women you need to be stage orange or to some extent have its elements. I say this because your How to get laid series outside the ethics section looked quite orange to me. Most green people would call it mysogonistic and sexist if they saw it and you would get hate for it. Meanwhile you are like yellow and still talk about getting laid in an orange way. Why is this so? Basically all of green approach to getting laid is totally different from yours (they hate pick up for eg).

I personally dont care, i was just following his trail of thought which was: "If you cannot tell your friends and people about it because they will judge you then it is not socially acceptable".

We dont live in the stone age anymore. A nice guy provider is way more useful to her survival these days. Or is her attraction circuit still based on the stone age, on what would be useful in the stone age.

Spam approaching in general is not socially acceptable. Even in places like clubs. Sure, apporaching in clubs is normal but spam approaching 20 girls a night, every night is seen as a bit weird, by most people. My question is : Why do you even care what they think honestly. Maybe this is the difference between us because where i live girls usually go on clubs to have fun with their friends and usually there are also guys with them. Most of them do not respond well to being approached, they just want to be left alone to enjoy the company of their OWN group. Personally if i approach a group of girls during nightgame i am equally disturbing them as if i approach a girl during daygame when she is doing nothing and probably bored. Yes, clubs are a social place but on big groups people dont want to be approached by random people. At least in my city it is like this. During daygame girls are alone and often have nothing doing at that moment. Parks are especially good for this. Street i am not a big fan of personally but i have seen it work a lot. Clubs a set of two girls is the best imo or a group of girls but for that you need a good wing which is not always in your disposal. Or you need insane social skills which if you had, you could equally do well in daygame. The reason why women hate daygame is because the guys doing it are weird and creepy as fuck. I noticed the most socially clueless people do daygame instead of nightgame. If most people approaching you are like that, ofc you wont like it. But i assume that you are a person with good social skills and social intelligence so way less likely for girls to be creeped out. And tbh its not like nightgame has better conversion ratio, i would say daygame approaches are way more likely to lead to numbers and dates, at least that is what i have noticed from talking to advanced guys in my city. I personally have female friends that hate when guys talk to them because they are usually weird and creepy as fuck during the day. However when a normal decent guy talks to them, they never speak in a bad way about it. They are actually taken by suprpise in a good way. "This guy saw me and told me i looked nice and talked to me for a bit, he was so cute and polite". Exact words of a friend of mine whose daygame experinces are guys catcalling her or following her home. But of course it is nice to do both day and night game. No reason to just stick to one. Maybe one weekend you do nightgame with a wing, another week when your wing is busy or you re not feeling the club you do a daygame session by yourself. Combine both.

@Optimized Life He has these opinions because he lives in a town (100k) so of course it is a bad idea to spam approach there during the day. I wouldnt do it either. However, he projects because not everyone lives in a small town, some of us live in large cities and there it is perfectly okay.

You project a lot on these posts. It is not true at all that girls are receptive during the night more, they are super bitchy and always in groups. Personally, in my city (Brussels) all the guys i met that actually get results do it during the day. Even newbies get numbers on few approaches compared to nightgame where 99% of them are blow outs. Also not every personality type will exceel on a loud busy bar/club. People have different strenghts. Night is great for practice or fuck around with wings for sure, i do enjoy it under the right company but personally i dont have that high energy explosivness that is needed to get results during the night. So dont many introverts that do pick up to get better with girls. Most of the advanced gamers i have met in my city said they used nightgame to train fast but most of their actual results came from during the day. Maybe other cities are different, i dont know. I have seen gamers talk to girls in parks and there was nothing creepy about it, it was super romantic and the girl responded very well. A guy i met was so smooth and good he literally opened girls in metro station and they responded well, had a 5 minute convo and gave her number. It is creepy if you are creepy. I have heard the worst harrasement stories by girls during the night, not during the day. Note: I always assume the guy has decent social skills and social intelligence/awareness, if he is a legit autistic person then night will be better because it tolerates socially clueless behaviour better. Daygame requires at least decent social skills already.

I ask this because i have noticed around me, usually two guys with same level of game, the white guy gets better results than the darker skin guy. And often i am not talking about Indian per say, even middle eastern or latino. Also some of the ones i have seen struggle relative to their white counterparts were not really insecure about it, they never mentioned it. It was something i noticed and also influenced by the internet (JBW stuff). Disclaimer: I am not saying dark skin guys cannot get laid, ofc they can. Some can even slay it, my point is that for a white guy with 5/10 game a dark skin guy needs 6-7/10 game to match his results (i am talking super super generally here just to make my point). Why is this? Is it because white guys are considered higher status due to most rich and powerful countries being white dominated? Or is it something biological? Considering black guys are usually the most physically capable (not to mention big baggage) it does not make sense so is it just cultural? Even Leo's friend AG Hayden just made a video talking about Indian guys and how it is a disadvantage and they should try to look as "American" as possible. And this guy is way more experienced than anyone here so we cannot say his words are bs. Now you might say, that is because you are talking about white girls and Indian guys, people tend to gravitate towards their own race.e th Well, if a typical white guy goes to any ethnic country he will do WAY WAY WAY better than the dark skinned guys do in a white dominated country. And please don't use the typical "I know a dark skinned guy that does well blla blla", ofc you do. We all do. If you have good game or are super handsome you will get results ALWAYS. I am talking about your TYPICAL guy not your top 5% in either money, game, looks etc. Most guys cannot be top 5%, they are by default TYPICAL, so we focus on them only. Outliers are irrelevant. Curious to hear your opinion.

First of all you mean 20 approaches a week, that is really good. You will not need as many as Leo i think because he has said himself that he was totally horrible when he started and he has very high standards regarding looks. So 440 was with the worst odds possible.

What is their level of game? I am talking here about your typical guy, not PUAs or naturals.

How did you meet her if i may ask? Also congrats bro, good job!

Tbh Leo I am also like this guy that made the thread and i heavily dissagree. Many girls are intellectual and love these convos, most of my female friends are like this. It is not so hard to find them as long as you look for them in specific places. I notice most girls that go to clubs often are not like this because all my female friends that i consider intellectual rarely rarely go to clubs and they dont like them. Also these girls are usually not the hottest girls, i would say 6s and maybe 7s but never 8s plus. So there is definetly a trade-off. Introverted girls are way more intellectual but also bit harder to find because they are less social. Extroverted girls are way easier to find but from my experience i cannot really date one, they would bore me to death.

So i watched Leo's videon on how to love which he posted 8 days ago. First of all i would like to say it is an amaizing video and i really enjoyed it and gained wisdom from it. However, i feel like a lot of the things on that video work great for keeping relationships together (platonic, romantic and family), but when it comes to getting girls to be attracted to you and want to be with you it does not seem to work well. I have noticed that girls, especially young ones 18-25, tend to be into guys that are quite toxic. How do i define toxic? Well, giving mixed signals, low empathy, very selfish, bit controlling (depends), bit narcissistic and drama creator. So the opposite of healthy and steady and stable. My question is, how can i become more loving and selfless and empathetic like Leo says when girls are attracted to the exact opposite of it. It seems like i have to be toxic and unpredictable and ghost girls and do all this BS in order to get them hooked into me. And guys i have seen so many examples of this in my life with people i know that i am convinced beyond a doubt that this is what works with young girls. Do not even bother explaining to me that young girls do not respond well to this toxic crap. I just need to know how can i be attractive to girls while being stable, healthy, actualized, caring, honest, humble and non-drama person. Honestly i feel like sometimes i should just start playing games and become a toxic fuck and do what some of my guy friends do if i want a girl to be attracted to me. It is very tempting but i do not want to go through that route, i feel like it would corrupt me and would be hard to go back. SO So please, some advice would be really appreciated.