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You already have Israel with 1968 borders. Also you now want part of South Lebanon. Greed is bad. I doubt you live as a second class citizen in 1968 Israel so... Issue with you is that you treat all the Arab Muslim states as 1 entity when in reality they are different countries with different governments, borders, leaders etc. So you cannot say "All Palestinians should just go to Jordan or Egypt, same shit". No, no, no. Palestinians will stay in Palestine, it is their country. Therefore, the question is how to split the land fairly. 1948 UN which created Israel gave the split, which is now even more favourable to Israel with the 1968 borders. Whole reason Israel exists, as Macron said, is because of the UN. Therefore it is quite shameless for you guys to not care about the UN and ignore it. If it was not for the UN, Israel would not exist as a state. Just because Jews lived there 2000 years ago, it does not give them claims to the whole area, they need to share it with those that were living there for many centuries before 1948. And Jewish people did not originate from that area. Jewish people biologically, alongside all other humans came from Africa, afterwards they moved around and one of the places where they lived for a while was the area from the Jordanian river to the Medeterrainian sea. It was 1 of the stops in their long journey since their origin in Africa. Same is applied for the Palestinians too.

What does "Borat character" mean? Sorry I am unfamiliar with that term

Mossad Agent openly threatening Western politicians that they will "fall" if they stop supporting Israel (starts minute 38 of the video). When Cenk pushes him on the issue, he remains silent and gives a half ass answer. @Leo Gura

I know countless people from Turkey, it is not THAT repressive. They jail you if you are involved with specific types of journalism but they do not kill people for protesting. The opposition party in Turkey almost won the elections last year, so calling it a dictatorship is too far fetched. In a dictatorship you have 1 guy earning 90% of the votes like Putin does. Even Lebanon is relatively chill country for the most part. I guess in the south if you denounce Hezbollah you can get in trouble but it is complicated. Only in Iran would you be killed for protesting and nobody will burn you alive, more like hanging or shooting you. And even that is rare. So please stop with the racist propaganda. And as a bonus, this is what happened last time people in Gaza gathered in a protest to try to peacefully solve their situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests This is what a Palestinian gets for protesting against Israel in Greater Israel

https://www.instagram.com/emilyintelaviv/?hl=en Are you guys familiar with this person? I have seen her at Piers Morgan show a few times, found her a massive liar and then went through her instagram to research. I am genuinely baffled how someone that never went through any hardships in their life can be so full of hate and evil. 90% of what she says regarding this conflict is propaganda. And she seems to believe it herself.

If they freeze the lines of conflict and end the war with the land each has, you think Russia will call it quits?

He was a bad guy is what I mean.

Bro I am pro Palestinian and have often written here about how bad Israel is and how Palestinians are the victims here. But to be honest this guy was a piece of shit, Ben Gvir equivalent of Palestinians, a hardcore radical who was genuinely genocidal in intent and who tortured countless Palestinians who were accused of being Israeli spies. His death should not be mourned among us Green pro Palestinain anti Zionists. There was a reason why the ICC wanted him arrested for war crimes, he is the main mastermind for the October attacks and all the war crimes that happened there.

@Raze Where are you from?

Well the fact that most people on this forum tend to discuss, argue, disagree with you on all sorts of topics shows that people here do not worth ship you or treat everything you say as some unquestionable truth. So i think it is safe to say that although we greatly respect and admire and value your work and opinions, we do not treat it as an absolute truth. So no worries, all chill.

Why are you writting here then? If you see it as pointless.

Issue Leo is saying Nivsch is that Israel gives special rights and privileges to Jews over non Jews. The percentage of population is irrelevant, what matters is that a Jewish person should be equal to a non Jewish person.

If you compare the West bombing of Yugoslavia it was far more surgical and less civilian deaths than this war for example. I have not seen the West in the last 10 years or so intentionally target journalists, medics, hospitals etc. Did the US have a policy of sniping childreen in the Middle East? Many other examples. The war crimes in Gaza are perhaps the worst of the 21st Century. To be honest you do not need to look at Al Jazeera or other media outlets which Israelis percieve as anti Jewish or biased against Israel. Just read what B'Tselem, they are Israeli and they seem to well report a lot of the horrible things going on there. You can educate yourself just by reading Israeli sources. Lastly and this is off topic. Which Israeli leader would you prefer to be in power if Bibi steps down?

I will go back and research. Busy right now. Just your tone seems to be a bit apologetic. Calling you Pro Israel was perhaps a bit of an exageration. My apologies.

@Leo Gura @Nivsch Issue I have with Israel is that it is not just Bibi or Ben Gvir or Smotrich. The entire political sphere historically has been filled with war criminals who conduct war in the most barbaric manners. You have Ariel Sharone for once, who literally personally oversaw the "Sabra and Shatila" massacre where 1500-3500 people were killed in 2 days. Then we have Begin who was being so barbaric in his assault on Lebanon, Reagan, an AMERICAN PRESIDENT had to call him and tell him to "stop this holocaust" for him to put an end to it. Lastly we have Olmert who did shit lot of war crimes and collective punishment in the 2006 Lebanon war. All of them in the last 40 years or so. Not to mention Naftali Bennet would not be any less barbaric in the current wars if he had power given by what he has said. Their ENTIRE political sphere is filled with war criminals. Therefore I doubt just changing hands of power will improve things much and I doubt most Israeli leaders would have prosecuted the war much differently. Keep in mind the ICC charges for war crimes are not towards Ben Gvir or Smotrich but towards Gallant, the minister of defense. I rarely hear people shit on him. It is always these 3 (Bibi, Gvir, Smotrich). Yet according to the International court Gallant should be in jail for war crimes. if you want sources for these claims feel free to let me know. The only reasonable one was Rabin who came from the left Labour party and was killed for being reasonable. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong

You seem to be very apologetic for their barbarism that is why I wondered.

Or perhaps the pro Palestinians views correlate with Truth

Are you pro Israeli? You seem to be. If yes, why?

Damn Leo, what has happened. You were quite soft on Israel but on last weeks, especially since the Pager attack, you have become as harsh as the pro Palestinians here. I am surprised. Did something specific happen or you just read more on the situation?

What the West should do is give Israel the Russia treatment. Cut them from SWIFT, sanction the shit out of them and cut ties with Israel. Obviously also put an arms embargo on them. If Israel using purely its own means still wants to fight its wars, then fine. What we want is Israel to stop being a spoiled brat that gets away with every evil the human mind can come up with without consequences. If they are willing to continue even after facing those consequences then ok. Russia keeps on the war even with all the Western sanctions and consequences. Israel is free to do so. But Israel should face those first. It has yet to face shit.

I think it is valid to celebrate dead IDF soldiers but not dead Israel civilians. Would you expect Polish not to celebrate the death of SS officers? Because that is basically what IDF are to Palestinians and especially Gazans. But my question was about the tent bombing which was sent here and whose videos of people being burned really made me sick.

@Leo Gura Is this guy Max good? I see him often on Judge Napolitano. I also see Aaron Mate and I like that guy.

I am happy you woke up to the truth. I kept telling here that a lot of the Hamas actions which Israelis claimed were shameless lies. Not to say they did not kill civilians, just the matter HOW they killed was lied about to make them look worse. There is a difference when you read "X group shot 50 civilians" versus "X group burned and beheaded 50 civilians". I also believed it at first to be honest, but then I did research and found a lot of the horrible claims were debunked. 1 example which stood out to me at first was a report that 2 packs of 10 year old kids were tied with chains and burned alive in 1 of the kibutzes. I found it really really barbaric and fully believed it. Then some months later, it was debunked as a lie and they never showed real proof of it. I felt like a fool...

@zazen Why do they do this? Just for fun?