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I saw a clip of a Palestinian guy with a white flag being shot dead by soldiers in the middle of the street. How do you justify this? How many more documented blatantly open war crimes must happen for you to realize something is seriously wrong in the way this war is being conducted? And if they actually cared about civilians they would not strike a refugee camp killing close to 100 civilians to kill 1 Hamas guy. They would say "We can take him out but the death toll will be so big, it is not worth doing, we will take him out another way". That is how a moral army operates. In their minds there are 2 sides here: IDF and the enemy. Civilians are not seen as a third innocent party like you might think. Their actions openly show this.

They see them as terrorists and responsible for the October attacks. Israelis are genocidal towards Palestinians.

I expressed myself very badly, I am sorry. What i basically meant is that politically he may be more evolved than Putin, but when it comes to the tactics he uses on conducting warfare he basically uses the same tactics Russia does and has 0 consideration on civilian causalities. Even if Israel is showing some restraint it is mostly because of international community, not because they actually feel bad for killing civilians. The way you conduct war clearly shows how evolved you are. It it not just about politics.

But killing childreen sleeping in their homes is far worse than killing political opponents and journalists. The child is innocent, the political opponent is actively going against you. I am not saying it is an ok thing to do, but a society where innocent people get killed in their homes is far worse than one where you cannot actively go against a specific politican. The first is chaos and war, the second is called an autocracy The second is far better, which is why autocrats exist. A "democracy" that kills childreen does not create a world any better than an autocracy does, as long as it only attacks people actively going against the government. Just do not talk against them and you are fine. How will you be fine if you cannot defend yourself against a rain of bombs?

Did not know that the biggest open air prison in the world called Gaza, where nobody can go in and out and is heavily controlled by Israel is a "state".

There is daily provocation with the inhumane illegal way they get treated. So is the illegal taking of their land. All attacks although wrong, are very provocated. Even Leo has admitted this much. The head of UN and many organizations said the same.

Yes you are right. They were fighting the Nazis which killed close to 25.000.000 civilians all around Europe. So around 71 times more civilians. They are not called devils for no reason. Now tell me, how many did Hamas kill? Did they kill 3.5 million Israeli civilians which would be the equivalent of this? You think people would protest about Gaza if Hamas attacked killed that many Israelis? Scale matters.

I notice a big issue with modern men in the West is that they have this mindset that "I will only make moves if the girls shows me some interest". It is called choosing signals. And I am not just talking about approaching a girl that looks at you. Lets say you meet a girl at a social gathering etc, you talk to her normally until she shows you signs she likes you. Then you start flirting with her, ask her out etc. If she just talks to you normally and friendly then you do not make any moves on her. I do not know what causes this but it creates issues even for guys that actually socialize. I know many guys that rarely get dates even though they are okayish social because of this.

Israel has caused more human suffering under BiBi if you adjust it for its size relative to Russia under Putin. In the second chechen war, syrian war and ukraine, wars under Putin, combined to around 50.000 civilians have died. Under BiBI in Gaza just this war is close to 25.000, and will probably go to 40.000. If you add the other wars in Gaza it comes close to 50.000. So he is responsible for as much human suffering. Numbers mattes. Usually the number of people that died under someone's rule is a good indicator of how ruthless a leader is.

It was an extreme example to make my point. I do not think he is more evolved than people like Putin.

Why are they so hateful and ruthless? I doubt most of them have been personally affected by the war. At least with Hamas I can say that they have been born under Gaza which is a total shithole and many have family members that were killed by the IDF. So they have personal reasons to be cruel and hateful towards Isarelis. I do not see the IDF being personally affected in the same way. Unless you have a close friend killed in combat, which even that I doubt considering the death rate is quite low in the IDF relative to the number of mobilized troops. I am talking purely about these cruel unnecessary actions.

And Hitler was also doing what he thought was right for Germany. He cared about Germany too. By your logic lets also be chill with Hitler...

Increasing corruption is not a matter of perspective. A society with stronger rule of law is more evolved and less corrupt. You say yourself minimizing corruption is one of society's goals to aim for. Making the constitutional court your private playground is doing exactly the opposite of minimizing corruption. I am not very informed on Trump but I see he is on his way to win a second presidency and is for sure going to be the republican nominee. If people got a taste of 4 years of Trump and they still want to elect him, it means he did stuff right. Also, many people around the world like Trump because they say "no wars started under him, look at how much shit happened under Biden". But the fact that Americans liked his presidency enough to give him a second try shows he has some stuff going on for him.

Apparently people in South East Asia and Japan used to be dark skinned and look different but then Chinese settlers colonized those parts and drove them out. So Japanese are also settlers Also Bantus in Africa colonized the southern parts of Africa, driving the indigious Khosian people to near extintion. Read Guns Germs and Steel. It is very interesting to see the origins of most ethnic groups and realize colonizing happened a lot more than we think and many groups we consider "native" are actually colonizers. We all came from Africa so we are all colonizers. You will never find who drove out who first. Issue is that it is not acceptable anymore with 21st Morality norms therefore we loose our shit when it happens now. Just like the Hamas attack was textbook military practice in the past but it is considered totally unacceptable by today's morals.

Then how come the previous leaders of Israel did not have these corruption charges, nor did they try to undermine democracy or rule of law? What you said is irrelevant of what I am saying. I am talking about Israeli internal affairs, not how they handle their neighbors. Which Bibi is one of them.

I am sure they would be if you give them a fair deal. I saw from the Oslo stuff that even Israelis said "We would not have taken that deal if we were in Palestine place". So it depends on the deal. Give them a 50-50 land split and they will accept im sure. Also with Israeli genocide on Gaza, I can assume West Bank population will be more radicalized and peace may be harder. That is the consequence of inhumane policies. But I think a 50-50 split of what was the Palestine mandate would put an end to this cursed history.

Ridicioulous fear mongering, nothing more. To me they just say this shit to get the public to support funding Ukraine since people are getting tired of that war and do not want to support it anymore. Russia CANNOT take on NATO. It is taking them 2 years and they do not even control 25% of Ukraine yet, how the hell are they supposed to take on half of Europe? Also NATO in Ukraine is not 100% full power, they often delayed stuff and they gave Ukraine limited quantities. Even with this, Ukraine is still holding 2 years. Against a fully powered NATO, Russia will not be able to win. Especially considering it is much harder to invade than to defend usually. However, they might invade Moldova since they are not a member of NATO and quite small. To that, I am open on.

But they are irrelevant. The Palestinian authority in West Bank is what matters and they seem to be open to it. Hamas is disowned even by most Arabs. I dont know why you keep bringing them up. They suck. The end.

Germany is 10x larger than Israel yet I did not see Merkel face jail for corruption, trying to undermine democracy or fill her cabinet with right wing fanatics etc. Israel is a first world country and you claim it to be a democracy. Therefore, we hold it on same standards as we hold the US or Germany. You can make the argument about Putin since Russia is in a different level of development but what excuse you have for Israel to behave any less democratically or ethically than USAA/Germany, ESPECIALLY when it comes to internal affairs? You seem a bit biased here towards BiBI. You may find him interesting or charismatic sure, that is subjective taste. Many also find Trump entertaining to watch. But as a political he is bad for Israel. If he was good, the people would not be so mad at him, even before the attack.

Trying to destroy Israeli democracy and court independence seems very thoughtful to me...

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I am not saying that everything was perfect but I am sure Arabs treated them far better than Europeans did. Just the Holocaust is enough to differentiate the two. Now regarding Israel, the issue is I think that Israel would basically force native Palestinian Muslims to live under a Jewish state and they did not want that. Also, most importantly they did not want to give up their land to European Jew settlers. I am curious, why did not the White European Jew settlers live under Palestine and the authorities of Palestine could be a mixed government between Jews and Muslims? Similar to Lebanon which is Christian/Muslim. Or they could live as a minority group in Palestine depending on the demographics. White European Jews could come in but the native Palestinians would keep their houses and businesses. It would be similar to Syrians immigrating to Germany these last few years. Why create a totally different state?

Because they are the ones in charge and the ones making the decisions both politcally and in the military. I saw clips of Israelis against the genocide in Gaza now. They do exist and I respect them a lot. Issue is they are not in power nor can do anything. The right wing fanatics are the ones that control Israel at the moment.

Regarding loving his country: He is very corrupt, had charges against him and was risking heavy prison time prior to the attack. Also, he was trying to undermine democracy and rule and law of Israel which you call a democracy. There were massive protests against him. Also, so far far he has claimed 0 responsibility for the attack which happened under his watch. Most Israelis I see are mad about this and want him to retire when the war ends. How exactly does he "love" his country? That is like saying Trump loves the US. He is similar to Trump in terms of corruption, not taking any responsibility and undermining democracy of his country. Regarding being radical: He literally is against ANY palestinian state, always has been. He showed maps of Israel before the attack in speeches where Palestine was not even there. Not even West Bank. Also, he has made coalition with right wing fanatics and called for Amalek (call for genocide basically) before the invasion came. How exactly is he not a radical? I am shocked on how you claim to like this guy. He is as bad as Putin, relatively worse considering Russia is a lot harsher survival condition than Israel which is a first world rich country.

But why do Arabs hate Jews when they lived together for centuries at peace? When they treated Jews far better than Europeans did historically. You can say "there was oppression", and maybe there was but far less than in Europe. When you see how Europeans treated Jews it is insane. So it is not true that Arabs or Muslims are inherently anti Jewish. Israel created this hatred, therefore you need to start to think why is that the case? If Arabs were so anti semetic they would have wiped out the Jews a long time ago in Palestine. Why they want to do so now? What changed? Maybe because the way Jews in Israel acted made them anti Jewish? Start thinking about this. @Nivsch Same goes to you