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@Leo Gura Why do you people care so much about how liberal a society is? Just because it can be more liberal does not mean it is the best place to live or maximize well being of its people. Soviet Russia, at least under Stalin was far worse to live in than most Russian Tsars. I did not see 20 million Soviets die under any Russian Tsar in 15 years time for example. I think most people would pick a conservative society that allows them to eat well and not go to prison for no reason than some specific liberal values. Under Soviet rule people went to concertation camp like prisons (gulag) for no reason rather than being denounced by someone with 0 proof. Under other Soviet leaders you can make the case that it was better than Tsars. Ironically Nazi Germany was far better to live in as a German than Soviet Russia was as a Soviet. Most of the Nazi atrocities were done to other non German groups outside the borders of Nazi Germany. Meanwhile Stalin mostly killed his own people, including millions of Russians.

On another note, I saw this very interesting video. It is crazy how far we have come when it comes to morality and what is acceptable in war. I can only imagine if the IDF did this in Gaza the outrage would be out of this world. Yet it used to be textbook military practice. Ironically some hardliners in the Israeli government suggested such thing be done to Gaza "Gaza must turn into Dresden". I wonder if they would be willing to do it, if it was not for the international community. But to go even deeper, even what Hamas did on October 7th used to be textbook military practice. Humanity has come a long way...

@Danioover9000 If it is just words I get them but when you see footage with your own eyes I mean... Ironically they expect us to believe all claims about Hamas atrocities even though not everything has actual footage (like 40 decapitated babies) yet they choose to ignore footage in Gaza. Crazy

@Nivsch You can see the footage with your own eyes. Someone with hand tied then shot is a war crime regardless Hamas or not. And I doubt they would be Hamas, Hamas would die fighting. Ironically when Russia did a similar thing in Bucha, everyone lost their shit. Hypocrisy at its finest. My bet is that they assume everyone there is Hamas and they just kill them "to be sure" since Hamas does not have a proper uniform to identify them like other armies do. Ironically Hamas said the same thing for October 7th, "we killed people in the crossfire, it was chaos, etc". So both use similar lies to justify their atrocities.

Those are the only ones that are there at the moment. Israel does not allow others to enter Gaza. You can see the footage with your own eyes. Someone with hand tied then shot is a war crime regardless Hamas or not. And I doubt they would be Hamas, Hamas would die fighting. Ironically when Russia did a similar thing in Bucha, everyone lost their shit. Hypocrisy at its finest.

The journalists and reporters that are there.

What does that have to do with what I said? Having couple hamas guys there and what I wrote are different variables. Did Hamas force them to tie the hands of civilians and shoot them? Did Hamas force them to set civilian houses in fire with people still inside? Did Hamas force them to destroy an entire hospital which is illegal instead of just sending guys there and neutralizing the threat?

Thanks for sharing

I saw a very disturbing video showing murdered people with tied hands and people ran over by bulldozers, setting fire to buildings with sick people still inside etc. Israel’s war on Gaza live: Israeli army ‘executed’ civilians at al-Shifa | Israel War on Gaza News | Al Jazeera I think IDF now has reached the same level of barbarity and brutality of Hamas. They are no longer modern army but more a systematic horde of brutality. Sad how humans can become such animals. How is the IDF not a terrorist organization yet baffles me.

Damn that is quite harsh. I thought USA had some good leaders which made it such a powerful country.

Thank you for the response. I am curious, which are some of your favourite US presidents? Especially in the last 30 years or so.

Is this guy credible? He seems to rate Regan A, I thought Regan was not that good?

@Leo Gura What do you think of Obama? I have heard you call Bush a buffon, Trump a corrupt buffon and Biden you seem to have a moderate opinion of. Regarding Obama do you think he did a good job? I have seen comments about him going from "worst" to "best" US president of recent times.

Online it is said to be a right wing party. And how has that worked out so far for Israel? October the 7th, endless barrage of rockets, terrorist attacks and massive hatred of Jews and Israelis through the world. Even the strongest allies of Israel like USA or UK are for the two state solution. I think it is the way to go. Also Isarelis like Havari are for the two state solution. The ultimate way to solve this cursed conflict is to enable both sides to co exist next to each other in peace. Giving Palestinians a state is one of the steps towards true peace.

And who put them in power? Israel is a democracy is it not? You keep ignoring the fact that these people were DEMOCRATICALLY elected. Hence they represent the will of Israelis, otherwise they would not get votes. Since Israel is a democracy, everything that the government does is directly a responsibility of the people at large that elected them. It is not like Iran where the people are held hostage and the government is not really accountable to its people. And I am not just talking about Ben gvir and smotrich. Also Bibi has been in power for like 15 years or something no? How come? That whole Likud party of his is a bunch of fascists. Who elected them? Why didnt Israelis largely elect the liberals you keep talking about? Even Bennet does not seem much better, I saw some old interviews of his before this war, justiying annexing West Bank over religious nonsense. The only sensible Israeli prime minister seems to be the one that got assassinated by extremists over the two state issue. Also that justice minister lady that abolished Palestinian childreen being put in cages. Why so little of these and so much of radical fascists?

Please read what I wrote in more detail. I will write it again in brackets "Nobody is saying ALL Israelis are bad nor IDF soldiers are bad, but a part of IDF including high command people". What you said can co exist with what I said. Also as you said, you live in a liberal town. If you lived in a overly conservative town perhaps the IDF there would be different. You dont need 100% of soldiers to be war criminals, even 20% is enough to wreck havoc. However the issue here is high command more than individual soldiers, if the high command is loose about war crimes then it will give room for atrocities to occur. Ben Gvir literally gave an apploud to a soldier that shot a 12 year old boy in the West Bank. A normal country would have that person either trialed or at least discharged. If such behaviour is encouraged people will do it. Israel security minister praises officer for shooting dead 12-year-old | BBC News (youtube.com) And before you say "not all Israelis are like that nor support that"; well not all Germans supported Goebbels yet he was democratically elected. Such is this guy. Neither do all Palestinians support Hamas.

@Leo Gura By animal I mean what most people would call them. You can make the same claim that Hitler was also a nationalist and fundamentist. I will correct my wording to "War criminal".

@Nivsch @Vrubel Nobody is saying ALL Israelis are bad nor IDF soldiers are bad, but a part of IDF including high command people are animals that should be hanged for war crimes. Just like not every German that served during WW2 was bad but a proportion of them were war criminals that did bad things. This is the case with Russian Army too in Ukraine. However a highly conscious society would not be ok with the way the war is being conducted in Gaza and this shows Israeli society is still quite blue. An advanced society would say "If we do to Palestinians the same evils Hamas did to us, we are not better then Hamas. We will not go down that path".

@Nivsch If someone relative open minded person like you that also uses this forum and follows Leo's work is so prone to be ok with Israel atrocities that have been called out literally by the entire world, I cannot even want to imagine what most more conservatives Israelis might be like. Makes me think there is no hope for this conflict being solved anytime soon. Is there a way where Palestine can live like a proper country without Israel owning them?

@Leo Gura I am talking about purely the domain of physicality which you have openly said also matters a good deal when it comes to attraction. No debate that charisma, confidence etc matter a lot too. So if muscles are irrelevant, then why height is relevant? You cannot deny height is an advantage when it comes to dating. So my question was, from a survival pov why women prefer height so much more over physical fitness? Note: By muscles I am talking about an athletic fit body, not a mass monster bodybuilder type.

Didnt they do polls in Israel where most people said enough or not enough force was being used. Few said that too much force was being used. Also I saw non right wing people say they would not wage the war much differently.

Hamas goal is to destroy the state of Israel. Just because they killed civilians does not mean their goal is anything else. Also unfortunately in Israel every adult has to serve in the military which gives Hamas the idea that everyone 18+ has been in the IDF and has tortured/killed/oppressed Palestinians at some point. They see them probably like retired Nazis. I am not saying they are right just explaining their mindset. At this point I also heavily despise Hamas for the situation. Their stubborness is causing much suffering to the Palestinians. Also their goal to destroy the state of Israel is totally not realistic and foolish. If I could I would have them gone just like I would have the government of North Korea gone. But destroying the whole of Gaza is a price too high and totally unacceptable. Also I feel like most of it is just plain cruelty and not militarily effective. To top if off with creating a massive famine. If Israel was serious about this they would send people in the tunnels, that is how you realistically get them. Destroying everything on the ground hurts civilians mostly.

So it also justifies Hamas killing civilians in their goal to destroy Isarel military? Keep in mind 1/3 of October 7th deaths were legitimate IDF staff, not just civilians. Also many civilians were killed in the cross fire. There were tons of specific striking of civilians by Hamas, but at this point IDF has been doing the same so I dont think they are much better anymore. Many videos of them doing so. Shooting at people in line to get aid too. They killed like 120 civilians trying to get aid, that act alone is on par with the Hamas concert attack in terms of scale and cruelty.

This explains Israel saying "We have killed 10.000 Hamas" and then US saying 25.000 women and childreen have been killed, both statements being true at the same time. Nice Leo

And you have precise weapons and guided missles drones etc which you did not have in 1944. Ask yourself: How did Israel manage to strike precisely a Hamas guy in Beirut, with minimal civilians casualties. During World war 2 an entire block would have had to be destroyed to take out that guy. So it is not just the guerlla stuff that has advanced but also striking precision technology. I saw footage of Isarel taking out a single floor in a building and keeping the rest intact. So spare me the excuses please. Most of the bombs used in Gaza are reported to be unguided. They admitted themselves "We are aiming for maximum destruction, not accuracy". I trust their words there because you can see it yourself. Most of Gaza is in ruins now.