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@Nivsch Mass murdering childreen and torturing men does take a toll on you for sure. Nazis also often resulted to alcoholism and depression after carrying out their atrocities during WW2. Dehumanization and hatred of the other will only carry you so far. When you see a mass grave filled with kids it will destroy you even if you see those kids as "vermin" (language used by Israel towards Palestinian kids).

What if we threaten Russia to nuke their forces if they move in NATO and do not intervene if non NATO countries get attacked (just give them aid). Russia is not stupid to attack NATO. I understand the legal concerns of them annexing other countries but it is not worth risk WW3 imo. If Russia moves in on NATO then we can easily use tactical nukes against their forces (not cities). It should cripple them harshly. Issue is when they they attack countries without nuclear weapons but luckily NATO has them and in the thousands. The idea of NATO troops dying to defend a non NATO country is insane to me. What is the point of NATO then if everyone can be protected? Aid is one thing but putting troops is basically heavy provocation. To me that should only be done for NATO members. @BlueOak Thoughts?

Europe is definitely USA's bitch Look at how scared they are of Israel just because USA is strong ally with it. If they had a truly independent foreign policy they would have cut out ties with Israel by now and called out their consistent war crimes. He is more complex than "Putler" or "crazy dictator" as CNN or Piers Morgan portrays him. I do not like him per say but he is complex character worthy of studying. Leo has sent some good videos on his blog for this. Europeans are weak and lack resolve. All their money is useless without resolve. We saw it with France during WW2. They surrendered after 6 weeks even though they had a strong army. They preferred to give up Paris (the fucking capital), rather than risk it turning into a battleground. If they had fought like the Soviets did, perhaps WW2 would have ended much earlier (we can just speculate). Also, if the Soviets gave up as easily as France did, Axis would have won WW2. So resolve is super important and Europeans tend to lack it. It is the result (imo) of decaying nationalism and comfortable lives. Wars require a degree of nationalism to be fought which is currently missing, especially in Western Europe. Poland would be exception.

You are conveniently ignoring one very important detail. Russia has 4 times the population of Ukraine, meaning it is much better at absorbing human looses. From all the research I have done the ratio is around 50% more Russians killed, Ukraine needs a 400% ratio to even break even. It is similar to WW2 eastern front. Nazis killed on average 2 times more Soviets soldiers than they lost soldiers but because of the population difference, they were over ran in the end. Even though the production up to 1944 was very high for Germany (mostly due to slave labor properly used by Albert Speer) what happened is that all the new planes, tanks etc had nobody to use them. Ukraine, even if they can hold 2-3 years more war, will be totally destroyed from a human capital point of view. They have lost like 50.000 young people or something that have fled Ukraine. Russia has yet to do a proper mobilization. Meanwhile Ukraine snatches people from the street. If they want to fight it is their right but "lets continue the war until Putin dies 5 years from now" is super selfish and basically you expect the Ukranian youth to do all the dying for you. They tried in 2023 and it failed. Russian defenses were really good. What this aid will do is just allow them not to be pushed anymore but liberating territory is another matter. They managed to do it in 2022 because Russia was over extended (their whole invasion force was very small) and lack of proper defenses. Also their tactics have improved in time. In 2023 they tried and it failed with massive looses from Ukraine. And Ukraine already had like 50 billion military aid from USA. So I am not optimistic this will happen this time. Russia has seriously stepped up production and is also getting weapons from its allies. Europe production is falling flat on what is needed. However the aid will definetly allow Ukraine to fight without collapsing. But liberating the country seems not feasible to me. We agreed that defending is easier and attacking requires superior numbers which Ukraine seems to lack. What do you think?

I was being sarcastic since that is the justification Israel uses to commit genocide

@Vrubel So why was Israel made on such a barbaric and violate part of the world as you call it. Considering it was the Europeans that treated Jews horribly for millenia, it is their job to give them land. THEIR land. I think if Israel was made somewhere in Europe, this whole bullshit would have been avoided. There were many candidates to make Israel and they choose arguably the part of the world that had treated Jews the softest. This is why I fundamentally find it so unfair. It is not that I am against an Israeli state per say, but I would be much more in favor of it being at the expense of countries that hurt Jews like Germany, Austria, Italy, Hungary etc instead of countries that were relatively nice to Jews. What do you think? Also USA could have been an option but USA was never involved in Jews massacres so that would also feel somewhat unfair imo. Personally if Israel was made in one of the German lands like Bavaria (Hitler's origin), I would probably be much more supportive of Israel. Seems to me like Europe wanted to apologize to Jews for what it did to them but not give them their own land, so they just put them in the Middle East which they controlled at the time. So I feel like they are the victims here, forced to pay for someone else crimes.

So in countries like UAE Qatar Saudi etc it is like that? Not war torn countries please. Those are bad whether you are Jew or not. It is not a function of you being a jew, it is a function of the country being in chaos. It is not safe for Muslims too. I saw this happened in 1948 after the Nakba. I am talking about the period before 1900 when Zionism did not exist. Were there massacres large scale often for hundreds of years against jews? If yes, can you send me some sources. Like polgrom style. Skirmishes can always happen, it happened even within Sunnis. So my fundamental question is, was your life as a Jews much worse than a Muslim in the Middle East before 1900? Sounds to me like a mob boss killing dozens and building a manson there where his family lives in luxury. Sure, life is good for them there. But that good life is built on others blood and oppression of millions that already happens. If 9 million Jews live good lives at the expense of life for 7 million Palestinians being far worse because of it, to me that is not a win. It is super biased. But ok, you made your point. Life for Jews is better in Israel. Thanks for your reponse. To me Zionism seems like a response of European oppression of Jews which was indeed a horrible thing, not of Arab oppression. Basically it feels like Arab Muslims are paying the price of the crimes commited by the Europeans towards Jews for a long time. Which is why if the world wanted to be truly fair, they would have created Israel in Germany and kick out the Germans in that piece of land. Much more fitting. But just my opinion.

Pardon my ignorance but what I have seen there were many jews in the region before Israel and there were little to no skirmishes. They started in late 18th century when Zionism was first invented. Before, for centuries, Jews were treated in Middle East FAR better than anywhere else. They lived side by side for centuries in relative peace and harmony. Now they are hated like hell. How did Zionism exactly benefit the Jew/Arab/Muslim relationship?

So did Israel with their indiscrimiate bombing of Gaza. Israeli government activities are protected by the Israeli people that elect those politicians (Hey they are a democracy) and they died by Palestinian attacks as a result. See how ugly your logic seems when I turn it against you.

It has been wiledely reported that many civilians on October were killed by IDF crossfire. They have this thing called the Hannibal directive which is extremely cynical and cruel. Hannibal Directive - Wikipedia So lets not act like they really give a shit. If they cared they would have done a second permanent ceasefire and freed all the hostages. For Israel destroying Rafah is more important the the hostages. It is comical to think they are invaded Rafah for the hostages, if they cared they would have gotten back all of them and then permanently withdraw from Gaza. By "they" I am referring strictly to the top leadership here, not the common population. To avoid confusions. The average Israeli cares a lot about the hostages. Also considering that many of the firstly released hostages were reported to have lived at houses of random Gazans during their time there, it shows total lack of care to bomb Gaza so harshly. There is no telling whether you are killing some of your hostages when you bomb everything. No wonder Israelis are mad, their government really gives no shit about the hostages.

@Vrubel I do. Also most of the IDF and Israeli need to be hanged for crimes against humanity. No partial justice. I do not hold the IDF more highly than Hamas at this point. It is like comparing Hitler and Stalin to me. Trash vs garbage. I can say the same of you being proud of Israel genocide and mass murder. Then do not expect us to empathize with Israel. Why should we? For some reason you consider the Israeli cause for "self defense" more legitimate than Palestinian cause for end of occupation.

UN I think confirmed them. More trustworthy than Israel.

I would say the amount of hate Hamas got for killing 800 civilians I have not seen anywhere like ever. In most wars far more civilians died and I did not see the outrage and condemnation. In a way 800 Israelis are worth more to Western governments that tens of thousands of other groups. "Biggest massacre of Jews since the holocaust ". I did not see any of this rhetoric when Armenians were massacred by Azeris. Where was the "Biggest massacre of Armenians since the Armenian genocide" let us not globally condemn Azerbajan etc. Hmmmm Perhaps most of Western media and governments have a clear bias towards Isarelis.

Hamas also has a pretty legitimate perspective considering everything. I feel for them even though I do not agree with them nor like them. How come you dont? Since we are expected to understand the pov of mass murderers (Israel) why dont you do the same for Hamas?

@Nivsch The ratios Israel had before this attack. So no civilians allowed to die for low end and 10 for high end. Also no fucking bombing low end Hamas when they are home. I do not get the logic of this rather than just trying to mass murder people. Waiting for someone to be home to bomb them is insane. Yet their AI did this

Basically US when it came to taking out very high profile people was willing to kill 10 civilians at most. That was their threashhold. Meanwhile Israel was willing to kill 20 civilians for low profile and up to 100 for high profile. 10 times more than the US. That is what I meant. So by this I mean bombings.

US had a ratio of 1 to 10 at worst. So IDF is 10 times more careless

So a convoy that was coordinated with the IDF and was hit not 1 but 3 times is an accident. I cannot believe you are so naive. Again, trusting proven liars is a red flag. You should put everything they say through very heavy doubt and only trust it when biased objective sources say otherwise. In this case it is Interntional organizations. Hahahahahhahahaha Sure, but at what cost?

English is not my native language but bombing someone 3 times seems like murder to me. You can say intentionally killing sure. I am open to correct the term. Saying that is a mistake is as delusional as the Arabs saying Hamas did not target civilians. You can clearly see both sides denial when you have no skin in the game.

To be honest that is how Russia always fights. They did similar stuff to Syria and Chechnya. I was just expecting them to go softer on Ukraine since most in the East are Russians. From a European pov you speak facts. But Europe is not the world. I am talking from a global POV. As an European Russia is definitely a threat. I wish they would become friends but both the US and Russia have massive toxic egos which do not allow it. I read that Russia applied to go in NATO in the 2000s or something and it was not done. Accepting them would have made them friends which could have even helped against a growing China. Turning Russia down was a massive mistake. I do not think he wants more land, he wants INFLUENCE. This war in my opinion is because he was forced due to Ukraine slipping out of Russia's influence. Why is Belarus not being invaded? Why was Georgia briefly attacked in 2008 and once the government changed, they have not been invaded again. Invasion is a way to force influence when negotiations fail. I fear though that Moldova will be next since they are small, not in NATO and they want to join the EU. What?? I was the one saying Russia will NOT invade Poland because they cannot take on NATO and then you said "even with NATO they can take all baltics etc". Now you tell me, that I underestimate Europe? I never claimed Russia can take on Europe.

Ironic considering Israel has been caught lying countless times and is one of the least credible countries out there among rich ones. Standing against lies is fine, then you should criticize Israel lying through their teeth 24/7. Starting from them murdering 7 Western aid workers that were giving food to starving kids and then shamelessly saying it was an accident although it is proved they were hit 3 times. If you stand with Truth, you stand against Israel's bullshit. So you do not stand with truth. If it was just me saying this, then you can make the case that I am biased and a hater. But when Leo, alongisde every non Israeli on this forum has called that out, then it speaks a lot. It is time you reflect.

1. Belgium, especially Brussels is very welcoming. Considering Belgium is a bi lingular country, there is some division within the locals that tends to aid you as a foreigner since everyone is a foreigner in a way. 2. Netherlands for the most part has very open people and everyone speaks English. Also very little pride regarding language, unlike places like France. 3. USA. I mean, the whole country was build by immigrants so. Not much to explain here. Note that this is in terms of easy to integrate and stuff. NOT the immigration LAWS. If we talk pure LAWS, then Germany is by far the easiest to go to in Europe at the moment. But it is not as welcoming people wise as the three countries I wrote.

American politics was a lot more ruthless and selfish in the past to be honest. They basically installed dictatorships all over Latin America. Carpet bombed with Napalm many countries in South East Asia killing literally over a million civilians and much more. If this USA is fascist in 2014 I do not know what you would call USA of the 1960s, 1970s. The only somewhat fascist thing in the USA would be the MAGA group. Even they are partly because at least they are not really warmongerers. Rest are just selfish and opportunistic, classic Orange. Fascism is blue and red. At least classical fascism.

Thanks for your response but I was asking actually @BlueOak. My apologies for the confusion. I know that you Leo are half Ukranian and Russian and American from your previous posts

Knowing Russia it was to be expected but considering it is mostly ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine where there is war, it is baffling to me. I would have expected them to treat them as brothers. Russia lost a ton of points in my eyes with this. I do not get why they do it, it just makes Ukranians fight harder. Stupid both strategically and also morally.