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To be honest I was expecting them to look much worse. They seem well fed and have no bruises or signs of torture. Nor have they reported any. Much better treatment than how Israel treats their Palestinian captives. I was expecting a beaten up skeleton with bruises to come out. Not this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Levy @Vrubel An example of a true Israeli patriot An example of "Humanity s best" that you often use as a term (i like the term) Massive respect to him. He reminds me of those Germans that wanted to kill Hitler because of his atrocities.

They are not dying though. That is the point. If you just want to talk about "trauma" and "living worse", then 2.2 million people in Gaza are ALL affected. But we are talking about more serious things here. Like dying. Nobody denies war affects a lot of people in some ways. Also half of Israelis are affected by Hezbollah attacks on the North which are a separate issue although somewhat linked. I would check the Israeli article that says Israeli killed some of its people using the Hannibal doctrine on October 7th. Since the main thing you care about are the 100 hostgaes, it might be interesting to see that your government and military killed your own people to avoid them becoming hostages. That would be enough to put me on the streets to protest if I was from there. Barbaric policy.

I am talking in general, they have bombed all hospitals dozens of times. Not a specific instance where perhaps it is indeed as you say. So I am talking more on the systematic campaign to destroy all hospitals. Do not get me wrong, there is clear reason to do this. For ethnic cleansing it works great, which is what they are aiming for here. Hamas is just the excuse. Even if some do shoot from there. Regarding Ukraine I was shown a picture of a bunch of clearly market Ukranian soldiers (wearing uniform and all) in what seemed to be a high school gym. That picture made me doubt that perhaps sometimes schools are indeed used as places where soldiers gather. But it is not enough proof of course, just enough to question the reasoning for the strikes. Considering Russia is not trying to do ethnic cleansing via bombings (perhaps they may try it when they actually annex land), I see little reason for them to waste precious ammunitions on bombing schools. Especially considering Ukraine actually has air defenses. I do not see much strategic gain here. If they want to just be evil, they can just start killing random Ukranian civilians on the occupied territories they have. Like the Nazis did. They already occupy millions. No need to waste rockets on random buildings. Lastly, the issue I have with Israel is also the crazy ratios they have. Giving green light to kill 10 to 20 civilians for 1 normal Hamas guy is basically a war crime. 100 civilians for 1 Hamas senior? Incredible inhumane. This total lack of empathy for human life is the issue here. The US never went this far, I believe at most they had a 8 civilian ratio for a senior guy during their operations on the middle east. Israel has 100. Hamas says 195 killed in two days of strikes on Jabalia camp – as it happened | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian 90 killed in Israeli strike on Jabalia refugee camp, says Gaza Health Ministry | CBC News The ratios come from here : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes

What you say is not unreasonable but the issue with America s orange is that they are willing to exploit others for their own benefit, regardless of what happens to those countries. USA is fine with a country being destroyed and put into endless chaos if it benefits them. That is the issue here. The main difference between blue and orange here is that USA does it for economic reasons meanwhile Russia does it for nationalistic reasons. And because nationalism is a stronger emotional force than economic profit, it leads to more brutal and ruthless campagains. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Guatemala are examples of countries that used to have law and order and became messes after USA got involved. A dictatorship is better than anarchy. It is true that China and Russia are not better, but China I have not seen them invade anyone yet to be honest. With Russia the only proper invasion and meddling that seems to be destroying a country is Ukraine. Georgia invasion was really small and the country did perfectly fine after. Afghanistan was messed up by both Russia and USA. First Russia messed it up then USA did. So to me both have blame there. If Russia and China started going on USA type invasion sprees and bombing campaigns I am sure the results would also be horrible, maybe even worse than USA involvements. Issue is that they tend to mind their own business a lot more, especially China.

To be clear, I am not saying Russia attack is justified. It is just they use the same bullshit arguments that Israel uses. So I also have no words for what Russia has done with their strikes. BUT, I also have no words for what Israel has been doing. In your mind Russia bad, Israel good. In my mind, Russia bad, Israel bad. I cannot talk about schools but I saw interviews with international doctors in Piers Morgan show and they said it clearly there were no traces of Hamas on the hospitals they had operated on. And I trust those independents 100x more than I would trust Israeli propaganda. So I find that argument pure propaganda and bullshit. At least about the hospitals.

Of course there is. Usually if you kill more than 10x civilians back it is an overreaction. Of course, but a campaign against the entire population is an over reaction . This is for example an over reaction. A not over reaction would be a professional army that only shoots at those that are clearly armed and threats. Not random people. Because USA did not do a genocide campagain and raze the entire country it invaded to the ground. Also they did not engineer a famine. Lastly, the territories USA invaded were not put on a siege for 20 years and bombed yearly killing thousands of innocents. And finally, everyone says that USA also did an overreaction and they told Israel from the start to not make their mistakes. Not only Israel made it, they 10x it.

Russia will claim weapons and troops hide in schools and hospitals. Israel will claim weapons and troops hide in schools and hospitals. Nobody knows the truth. I have spoken with both pro Russians and pro Israelis. Everyone uses that argument and provides "proof" for it. And Israel has done this like 100 times now, it is not the first time. They had a very pretty policy of killing 20 civilians per Hamas fighter and 100 civilians per Hamas seniors. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes If you are interested. As brutal as Russia is, I have not seen them kill 50 people per strike. It is usually less than 10, with exceptions. And I do not hold Russia in a higher note than Israel or anything. Both are monsters.

@Raze "But October 7th". One day they will nuke Gaza and still talk about October 7th. One of the biggest overreactions in modern history

I understand. That may be true for MAGA people but tons of Americans are also liberal and will not put up if democracy is seriously attacked. There were already massive protests against the abortion laws which is a mild policy. Imagine if they do some Putin shit. It could lead to civil war I assume or massive clashing's. Americans never lived in dictatorships or monarchies so it is in their blood not to submit to them. Or am I wrong? Does not help with Biden being in such a bad shape. Also most people are just ignorant, to be honest if I did not follow your work I would not even be aware of Project 2025. But I also do not live in the US.

I see, thank you for telling me. I was not aware.

Did Libya or Syria threaten any random countries? Curious. From what I saw, they just threatened USA interests. I do agree with what you say but the issue is that the world order you talk about is the one that benefits America. So of course they will not invade you if you fall in line and submit to them. Russia is the same. Every country they have invaded was invaded because they tried to break from the established order which was that they were submitted to Russia. Georgia and Ukraine being examples. They got invaded exactly when they stopped submitting to Russia and tried to reach towards the West. My point is that every big power country tries to maximize their interests and will not hesitate to bully or even invade others if needed. Their truth is their self interest, no "right" or "law". As much as I like the internal politics of the USA and how they are miles ahead compared to the other big powers like India, China, Russia in terms of corruption, democracy, freedom etc. Their foreign policy is pure selfishness orange type with 0 disregard to law, ethics or "what is right". The only thing they have better is that they do not downright annex land but just keep troops there that dictate how things will operate. USA illegally invaded Libya, Iraq, Syria, Cuba etc. Russia illegally invaded Georgia, Ukraine. China may invade Taiwan soon , who knows. The harsh truth is that depending on your geography and history, smaller countries have to submit to the big powers. If they try to deviate from it, then they will be invaded. All the big powers are capable, selfish and ruthless enough to do it.

Bush should have been charged for war crimes for his illegal invasion of Iraq. That was a failure imo. Rest of presidents I cannot comment.

I read your answers here on this post Leo and I am really suprised. You have said in countless videos and posts here that America is too evolved to sink into a dictatorship. Now you claim it will happen for sure if Trump wins?? Even if Trump wants to become a dictator, the general American public will not agree to it. It will collapse like dictatorships in Eastern Europe did after people got fed up with them. What will Trump do? Imprison and murder hundreds of thousands of protestors to remove all opposition? Will even the police and military agree to it? I thought America is far too evolved for this stuff. Or by "dictator" you mean more of a guy that does not leave office and has immunity from corruption but still shares most of the power with others in his administration. That is really your average corrupt democracy, called "flawed democracy" or "hybrid regime". Not pure authoritarianism where 10 people are Gods and can do whatever they want. So soft dictator, not Putin style.

Btw to you Israelis. I saw a disturbing video recently of some Palestinians being released after being abducted in the West Bank to the point where they seemed mentally insane from the trauma of their treatment there. What goes on the Israelis mind when they abduct people without criminal charges and then torture them? How does this procedure work? I want to understand if anyone here is informed. So like the procedure and how arbitrary detention and torture are justified in the minds of the people that perform them and their superiors. Is every Palestinian seen as a terrorist? Do they justify torture to innocents if it means getting information that may be useful? Are they sadistic and enjoy hurting others? Which one is it. @Nivsch @Vrubel @hundreth @Gennadiy1981 There are endless endless of these examples.

We can agree on this.

So you are admitting that you have clear bias and an agenda here and therefore you are not objective.

Why doesnt that also reach Palestinians who had family members that were killed by Israel even when those people say extreme stuff? Arent all humans equal?

Ok, do not judge Hamas then. Most of them are orphans so do not judge them when they do terrorist attacks on you

@Nivsch If you only you Israelis had 1/10 of the empathy and humanity you have towards those 100 hostages that you have for the 15.000 kids killed in Gaza...

So all the Palestinians whose relatives were killed have the right to murder Israeli civilians and wish for it. Since hey, if your son got killed it is ok to call for genocide? I understand that guy's position, I did not know he had this loss. I take back calling him a Nazi. Probably grief makes people not mentally well. But the issue is that I equally understand the position of the tens of thousnads of Palestinians who went through similar things and did the October attacks. Your empathy seems to only apply to 1 side. @Vrubel I am curious. Since it is ok to wish for genocide when you have a family loss from the enemy country, is it also ok for Palestinians who had family losses from Israel, to celebrate and wish for mass murder of Israeli civilians? Curious.

https://x.com/LibyaLiberty/status/1717784734661484884 Who the hell is this guy? I saw he is politican. Dont you think this is genocidal language and normal to use on live TV from a politican? @Nivsch

Firstly , thanks for the historical explanation. Now regarding the last part, maybe they can live in secular European countries where they are treated well now? Although I am open to Israel existing as it does, I am against them taking more land and especially bullying everyone around them and corrupting most of the West via AIPAC and other means of manipulation. I feel like Israel chose a bad spot of the world to settle too. There were many places where Israel could have been created which were discussed. They picked a bad spot in my opinion. And that is the crux of the issue. Personally, I reject the argument that Israel should be where it is because of stuff that happened 4000 years ago. After WW2, that super old history should not have been taken into account. Not because it is not true, I am sure it happened, but because the spot was so violatile and unstable that it would only entail disaster to make the Jewish state there. I think that choice of land was not wise.

Sources please? Sorry If I am wrong, but I saw they had equal rights and were not put in Ghettos or killed in mass like in Europe. You sure it is not Isareli propaganda painting Muslims as bad on purpose? I am not very informed but I heard tons of people say that Arabs were much nicer to Jews. Not saying they were perfect. But I am open to change what I said, any sources to recommend?

I am talking about them illegally stealing West Bank land, since you seem to be pro it for some reason. That is built on the argument that it was ours 4000 years ago. Why do you hate them so much? They treated Jews 1000x better than Europeans from what I read. Why not have 1 state where Palestinians and israelis live in peace and have equal rights.