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@A_v_E I agree, we should all strive for a more fair and functioning society and rules. However, even in our sub-par society there are still choices we all have.

I don’t see why you can’t fish the river you want, as a bum any bench is practically yours on the street. I am pretty sure you wouldn’t be happy if someone came and took all your belongings, so there are rules protecting them which work both ways. What you might think is yours by the right of birth might not agree with what someone else think is yours. Given how you are not the only human on this planet, there are some rules set. If you want complete and absolute freedom from societal rules you can move to an inhabitable island somewhere or Mars.

But where did you see someone being forcefully dragged to work and then having to work all day under a pointed gun? How is going to work against someone will?

You are not forced to do anything. You have a choice. You could always quit and be a bum on the street.

A grown man is crying that he is so poor and helpless because he has no interests in life, and somehow that’s the worlds fault..

It is your fault. If you sit on your ass all day and expect interests to just find you, obviously that won’t happen. You need to explore and try new things to find your interests. Finding doesn’t happen if you don’t do the action of looking.

Tell that to people who are doctors, scientists finding cures for diseases, astronauts in space, movie stars, authors who write self help books helping millions of people, etc. Your problem is not slavery, you don’t have any interests in life, and if you did, you were too lazy to follow them and instead played them down and built all these negative believes.

That’s your laziness talking. And yes, on the most primitive level humans need to eat, you can’t expect the food to fall from the sky, so you need to work to get the food. Once humans find ways to bypass eating maybe then they won’t need to work.

You are free to choose where you want to work. In real slavery you have no choice.

So you don’t believe the +-+- system has any grounding to it? I don’t see how someone could be Ni and Ne or Ti and Te, in my head there exists a clear preference. Also in your example there someone who has Ne and Ni as their first 3 functions, wouldn’t that person be some kind of hallucinating psycho? Don’t they need an S function to survive? As an Ni dominant I appreciate and understand Ne, but it gives me anxiety if I had to do it and I don’t like doing it. E.g., if you were to ask me to brainstorm, I would get tired of it and start clinging to some one item instead that I find most interesting, yet I do like it when someone does the brainstorming for me and shows me other options I do not understand why you can’t have an NiFiTiSe for example though, but I am still just learning so maybe there is a reason..

Logically I would think the justification is as follows: According to Carl Jung, the 4 functions are Sensing, Intuition, Feeling and Thinking. Each person must have these 4 functions - you can’t have a person who doesn’t use thinking or feeling. You can’t use these function in equal amounts 25%-25%-25%-25% throughout your day, if I was to follow you for n days and record these percentages, I would get a breakdown of what your natural preferences are. If you are indeed studying psychology and expect it to be an exact science, you are in a wrong field and should switch to actual hard sciences instead. There is a lot of judgement and not easily quantifiable concepts, many are not even well defined and are still in the process of defining. While big 5 have a basic statistical model, all what it’s doing is finding correlation between words, big 5 concepts are nothing useful, they are just words. What use will it do for you to know that you are conscious or neurotic? What do these things even mean? My original post mentioned that I don’t know why the concepts of cognitive functions are not studied more, why are there no studies about this, why are there no proper tests created to identify those functions? Is it because it’s too complicated? There is no reason why a cluster analysis, regression analysis or some decision tree can’t be built around these concepts.

@Carl-Richard so what I was trying to say is that cognitive functions are also merely descriptions. In my first post I mentioned that I am surprised that they aren’t more popular, because I think they are extremely valuable. For example, knowing whether a person is an introverted thinker or extroverted thinker could help to pick out a job for them that’s suitable, or help them in school (right now teachers use the same mold on everyone while every kid is different) And it’s ok, no problem.

How is depression or introversion scientifically valid? Also, by cognitive functions I am referring to the 8 cognitive functions. Then by typology I am referring to the ordering and stacking of these functions. So there are 4 things actually -> functions, typology, Myers and Briggs/MBTI, Myers and Briggs/MBTI test

A related question - what can a person do with their critical function? Is there any hope to fix it?

I am engaging because it’s annoying to me when someone is talking about something so convincingly and stubbornly when they don’t have much/any knowledge in it, I feel like it’s not right (so there is an emotional cause )

Sorry to keep bugging you, what would be an example of an Fe coming out strongly? What, for example, would it be sounding like in this discussion or in the discussion about Russian propaganda?

I am an NF ?. I just have a strong Ti because of work.

I am not refusing to engage with it. I keep telling you MBTI test and cognitive functions are different things. @thisintegrated is also telling you that the test to find out what your personality type is, is flawed indeed, and you shouldn’t rely on a test to find out what your personality type is. I told you that there is a difference between depression and a test for depression. Yet you keep saying that MBTI is flawed because the test is not good. You are not willing to understand what I am saying, so I try to spoon feed it to you and break it down - like asking you to tell me what is big 5 predicting.

But why it would be critical Ni? I am Ni dominant

But you don’t show any understanding of these studies, you are just repeating the same thing over and over instead of trying to reason things out.

Why do you think I have a critical Ni? Sorry I am just really curious to see your reasoning .

@thisintegrated what is your personality type btw? Also, would be interested to see if you could type me or identify which functions are dominating

I am trying to get you to do this because I want to help you to understand this. You will not gain an understanding if you are repeating someone else’s idea without understanding it. I am just trying to help you!

@Carl-Richard can you stop using other sources/repeating things you’ve heard and think for yourself and tell me what is big 5 trying to predict? Every statistical model is evaluated based on some criteria to see how good it is. I am trying to get you to think for yourself and not repeat things you don’t understand. Also, I am not writing this to offend you, I am genuinely curious about this quality, how is it that you feel comfortable to be so opinionated on a topic you know very little (if not nothing) about? @thisintegrated I agree, he is not a Ti

What exactly is big 5 predicting? Please stop using these big worlds, when you don’t understand the basics, it’s making my hair hurt. Also, do you understand the difference between a test, which is something you would get on 16perspnalities.com, and the concepts themselves? The MBTI test is just trying to help you find your personality type, like depression tests are trying to tell you whether you have a depression, the test might not be good, it might tell you you don’t have a depression while you still do, but that doesn’t mean that depression isn’t real because the test for it is not good…