Moksha

If anything, I'm beyond-minded. As I said a while back, disagreeing with an ego only feeds it. I hope that the collective feedback you've received in this thread at some point in the future gives you pause for deeper contemplation. If not, that's ok too. We're still and always will be the same. For the sake of the absolute seeking itself in other apparent forms, I'll continue calling out ideas that don't resonate with direct realization.

Not all monks meditate in caves. The source in some is content to live in silence, but in others it engages in the awakening of itself. There is no deeper meditation than teaching, which cascades consciousness.

Didn't we just agree that the absolute is beyond logic? Who is the reincarnated know-it-all that you call you? @CARDOZZO

The mystery of god is the paradox beyond everything and nothing. Logic melts in the furnace of the absolute. It's good to see you aren't stabbing people with a stick that you call logic any more, but realize that laying down the logic stick means no longer using it as a weapon to enforce your idea of what is real. Let's agree that the absolute is beyond logic. You're correct that the unveiled absolute is attributeless. It has no qualia. This is why mystics use the "beyond" pointer. Absolute reality is veiled within the qualia of its imagination, but its unveiled essence is beyond qualia. You're incorrect that the unveiled absolute "becomes" aware. It doesn't become anything, its essence is awareness.

Awareness is aware. It doesn't require the illusion of the ego for verification.

For someone that touts logic as the be-all-end-all, your statement is devoid of logic. By definition, the absence of appearance can't be the same as appearance. "If it wasn't, time and space, and destination would be REAL!!!" Again, illogical. If time, space, and destination are not real then there must be an underlying reality that is beyond the appearance of time, space, and destination. You are conflating reality with unreality. "The ego cannot be separated from the dream itself. To not embrace the ego is to deny WHAT IS!!!!" Dude, in all sincerity you continually confuse yourself. Take a step back and look at what you are writing. To not embrace the ego is to realize WHAT IS, beyond the illusion of the cosmos. Ego is the LIE that the absolute is only its creation. It is complete IDENTIFICATION with maya, and is DELUSION. You speak about direct realization, but it's clear you don't understand what is meant by mystics. You have to let go of the ego entirely, and realize god. "A complete embrace of ALL that is, with NO RESISTANCE is the only true measure of Self-Love." See my signature. The only way to navigate the cosmos without resistance is to realize your absolute nature, beyond the cosmos. Identification with the cosmos is entrapping, suffering, and quintessentially egoic. "The only true truth, is that TRUE LOVE, TRUE INTELLIGENCE HAS NO BIAS!!! NONE whatsoever!!! Period!!!" Having no bias only becomes possible when you realize your absolute nature, beyond any particular perspective. It is being lucid within the dream, without losing your absolute awareness in the experience.

Equality is a dualistic idea, suggesting that one thing is the same as another. When the appearance of separation between things dissolves, there is no equality, just seamless source.

You have it backwards. Beyond is absolute reality in the absence of appearance. It is the changeless beneath the cosmos of change. It is timeless unattachment from appearance. When mystics use the pointer "beyond", we are looking at absolute reality beyond the seemingness of creation, separation, and change. It is simply a map to the unveiled absolute reality, which is within its apparent dream, but in truth is beyond its dream. Existence is only the apparent string of jewels hanging from the neck of the absolute. It is beyond its necklace. You say the right words about direct experience, but then proceed to contradict yourself. Enlightenment is not embracing the ego. Is this why the word beyond seems so triggering for you? If the absolute is beyond the ego, and its entire cosmos, what does that imply about your identity?

One of the cleanest insights I've seen from my man Leo. ⚡

You're right. The spiritually immature look for signs and shortcuts. They seek an easy pivotal insight that miraculously transforms their existence into bliss, without exercise and integration. They haven't yet realized the absolute cost of enlightenment, nor are they willing to pay it. As Jesus said, the only sign they receive is the sign of Jonah. It's a parable pointing to the price of salvation from the ego self. Before you can be unborn, you have to survive your stint in the smelly bowels of the whale. When you're humble enough to realize your utter insignificance, only then will the whale spit you out to the other shore.

You, as the human form, are the experience of the absolute, as is every other apparent form. The unveiled absolute is beyond the birth and death of existence.

The purest truth is parsimonious. Regardless of apparent complexity, illusions inevitably dissolve into the seamless reality of the absolute. The deeper you sink into truth, the clearer you see the sameness in and beyond all things.

Who is choosing resistance? When you realize the answer to that question, you are on the awakening path.

Do you understand that since location isn't real, and you never go anywhere, your absolute nature is beyond the appearance of dream locations, dream people, and dream change? If you believe that embracing the ego is direct experience, you don't know what direct experience is.

@Carl-Richard Baptism by sprinkling is wimpy spirituality. Wim Hof total immersion ftw

When you go to sleep at night and dream about walking around a car, how real does the car seem to the character in the dream?

The dream is the imagination of Self, but the absolute Self is beyond the dream. The Self isn't here to judge the dream, only to realize its absolute nature while still within the dream. It loves everything that it sees, because it realizes that everything is the Self, regardless of how it appears. That is true freedom within creation.

Given the choice between 1) the highest, most incredible mystical experience which you could possibly have but only once, and never again, and 2) the profoundly life changing realization, which perpetually keeps you anchored in the absolute, which would you choose? I feel that enlightenment is 1% realization and 99% integration. The integration is what keeps you on the other side of the river, rather than perpetually rowing back and forth.

Dude, you're confusing yourself. Take a step back and look at what you just wrote. Seriously. Direct experience is realizing the absolute, beyond the dream. It dissolves the ego because it dissolves misidentification. How does realizing the ego to be misidentification create more ego? The opposite is true. Realizing your true nature, which is love, directly dissolves identification with the dream. It dissolves the illusion of separation. It dissolves conditionality, and it dissolves resistance. It is autonomous, because it is the only reality. The illusion of the ego depends on feeling higher or lower than an apparent other. It cannot exist in equanimity, which is realizing the sameness in all things. Awakening and the ego cannot coexist (see the kite analogy for clarification).

You're falling into the slippery slope fallacy here. Enlightenment isn't black vs white. It is a gradually deepening process of separating from external identification, while sinking into internal realization. It's like flying a kite. In this analogy, the kite is the human psyche. Complete misidentification with the mind is clinging the kite to your chest. Awakening is beginning to release the kite into the sky. The more deeply you awaken, the more distance there is from the kite. You still see it soaring through the sky, and can control its movement, but you no longer misidentify with it. There is far greater freedom than when you were stumbling around clinging the kite to your chest. You see the human psyche, but from a distance. Life increasingly becomes an experience of the cosmos from the center of absolute awareness.

There are no rules to break, just reality to realize. Calling it morality (as @Razard86 does) is gaslighting. It is simply sanity. If you're referring to psychedelics as a means of waking up without dying, sure it's possible. You can glimpse the absolute through psychedelics, but the same is true for other spiritual methods. As we've discussed, the secret is learning to remain within the absolute, without returning to misidentification with the dream. This misidentification is precisely what the ego is. When you remain lucid, even within the dream, the illusion of the ego disappears. There is only absolute awareness, experiencing its creation without getting lost within it.

You haven't realized yet that it's possible to live within the dream, without identifying as the dream. When you cling to the dream, it suffocates you. Freedom only becomes possible when you let go of strings to the dream, and center awareness on the absolute within. Any misidentification with the apparent self (i.e., ego) is delusion, because the entire dream is delusion. It isn't about self-acceptance, but about Self-realization, even within the dream. Do you see the difference? The more awake you are, the less self-delusion there is.

I'm not referring to morality, but to reality. Ego is the delusion that you are the cosmos. It is misidentification of the absolute with the relative. It seeks meaning in the external, rather than within. It enslaves awareness, rather than setting you free. When the absolute realizes itself, it dissolves the attachments of the dream. Aware of itself, there is nothing to be afraid of, nor is there anything that it needs. You can awaken and still lucidly enjoy the dream. Just don't make the mistake of losing yourself within it. If you are anchored in the absolute, you see the sameness of your essence in everything. There is no superiority or inferiority, differences are only an appearance. Living with lightness, which is what some people are pointing to here, becomes easier. Life is more vivid, but it is also more free because you are not enamored or entrapped by it. You have good intent, you just need to get out of your own way and let the light of your essence shine through. It will transform your experience, and if you truly want to help others, it is the most direct path for doing so. I hope you will sincerely ask yourself whether there is an ego at work. I constantly evaluate myself, and despite my best attempts the ego still occasionally rises before I am agile enough to get out of its path. I'm learning the art of judo, but it is a deepening process that will take a lifetime to master. A few insights on ego from fellow mystics: The immature go after false prestige - precedence of fellow monks, power in the monasteries, and praise from all. "Listen, monks and householders, I can do this; I can do that. I am right and you are wrong." Thus their pride and passion increase. Q: How can any inquiry initiated by the ego reveal its own unreality? A: The ego's phenomenal existence is transcended when you dive into the source from where the "I"-thought rises. In the secret cave of the heart, two are Seated by life's fountain. The separate ego Drinks of the sweet and bitter stuff, Liking the sweet, disliking the bitter, While the supreme Self drinks sweet and bitter Neither liking this nor disliking that. The ego gropes in darkness, while the Self Lives in light.

Yes, form is just an appearance of boundaries where there are none. The physical form, the mental form, the spiritual form, all of them are respectively more refined boundaries which aren't actually real. There is only the absolute, which is the seamless essence of everything, despite appearing as separate forms within its dream.

The bubble of your visual field is bound by form perspective. Burst the bubble, and the seamlessness of the absolute in everything is revealed.