Moksha

So true.

Whether it feels better or not has nothing to do with whether it is. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The only truth is the light that we are; everything else is just a story.

Yep, complete disintegration of the self. It's cool that we can experience ourSelves even in the human form, just not fully. Enlightened people come pretty close, but even they have gunas attaching them to the world of form. Total enlightenment means going poof back into the light that you always are.

@SoonHei

Concepts are part of the illusion. There is no name for the ultimate Mystery. We only experience it directly when we wake up and realize ourselves

Suffering happens when we identify with the ego, rather than realizing who we are. It is a misalignment with the present moment. The ego refuses to accept what is. It can only live in the fictional past or future; the Now dissolves it. Ego is an illusion that will always lead to suffering. When you wake up, you realize that you are the Now, and you never were anything else. Time is an illusion. There is no time in the present moment, and the present moment is all that there is. There is no suffering in pure Consciousness, only light, the unitive reality, which is another word for freedom, intelligence, love, happiness, and peace. A bunch of words which are only pointers. When you wake up, you will experience yourself.

I wouldn't call it a motivation so much as a force. Suffering wakes you up, whether you want it to or not. It is the main way Consciousness becomes aware of itself.

You are the abyss, and suffering is the thing that shoves you into it. Freefalling into yourself is a great ride

Suffering is the ultimate psychedelic.

Now is timeless. Everything manifests in the Now. How could it manifest anywhere else? Always implies time. In ultimate reality, there is no time. Dualism is an illusion; Consciousness is the only reality and it is a singularity.

The illusion only goes on as long as it needs to. You just have to hear the pounding on your door that is suffering, and wake up.

Now is the only reality. Past and future don't exist, never have and never will

You never were an I.

Which is what spaciousness is: Consciousness itself. You're probably not a Tolle fan, but I agree with him:

Spot on. The question is: Have you suffered enough yet to be willing to let go of the lies of your ego? It's not a choice, really. You just reach the point where you are really, really, really done with suffering. Then you become a little more enlightened and return to suffering again, though not as badly as before

Heaven is translated as spaciousness. And that's exactly what Being is.

Since the ego will never choose enlightenment I guess he's screwed

Somehow, every time this claim is subjected to a controlled laboratory setting, the phenomenon disappears.

Is it though?

The conversation seems to be drifting in the direction of identity rather than free will, but maybe that's what the universe intended. Snakes and every other being are created by and infused with Source, just at different frequencies. Source is the essence of the rocks, the trees, and us.

Did you see my answers to your specific arguments back on page 2?

Where does free will come from? Do you have an answer? How is it even possible for people to be free, outside of their biology and conditioning? If you strip the human form away, all that is left is Consciousness itself. There is no "you" or "me" making decisions; there is only Consciousness manifesting through us. And "we" have no choice how it manifests because "we" don't exist. When I touch a hot stove, the sensory receptors in my skin trigger an action potential, which moves along the sensory fiber from my skin to my spinal cord and activates a motor neuron that projects to my biceps, causing it to contract. It has to work that quickly because making a conscious "choice" would take too long. I'm not sure what that has to do with Consciousness being infinitely intelligent? I press the brake when I see a red light because my mind has been conditioned to respond in that way. No different from a dog salivating when it sees food, or in Pavlov's experiments, when it hears a bell while seeing food. Who is the "me" doing the controlling? If I had never been taught to associate a red light with stopping, do you think I would still stop?

I was raised in a society where uncontrolled sex is looked down upon. My mind was conditioned, and I had no choice in the conditioning. If free will is possible, where does it come from? Someone could claim God gave them free will, but if that is the case why would God give some people the kind of free will that chooses right and leads to salvation, but give other people the kind of free will that chooses evil and leads to damnation? Note: Feel free (heh) to replace God with the Universe, Consciousness, or anything else that could be said to create us.

@SS10 It was a trap; you can't prove a negative You can prove a positive, though. If you want to claim that free will exists, where is your proof? How would free will even work? Where do you think the freedom comes from? Can you offer any examples of a choice that is actually free?

False premise. Everything <> Nothing. Time <> Timeless. Form <> Formless.