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@Jodistrict I wish this was obvious to Americans. They all sound so ungrateful. Like you said, they won’t move. And I won’t either. Because there is not a better system than America. There is no obvious 2nd option. Everybody talks about leaving the US. Nobody tells you where they’d go. If there was a better system to exploit, Americans would be exploiting it already. — And for the millionth time, everyone, it costs money to leave. How spoiled of you to even be able to decide what country to live in!

@Socrates If you have the option to leave, you are not in a fascist state. At least not an effective one.

@Emerald 90% of people still spend their time the same way they did 10 years ago. What does that tell you? We’re all insulated. It sounds like you have biases of your own, having to deal with the issues around Medicaid and your husband that you described. I would not want to be in your shoes. But I wouldn’t say I’m overly privileged either. I am a white male, but I live alone and I am not rich and I don’t think I will be anytime soon. I have issues too. But I live alone. When the time to flee the country comes, there will be nothing between me and making that decision as I am the only one responsible for me. Most people are far from that. I am far from that. Never panic. If you live alone, you cannot afford too.

The US economy affected me was when I was seven years old and my dad was laid off for a while around 2008 for longer than usual. Otherwise, Scott Walker (Wisconsin) passed a right to work bill 10 years ago that affects a Union job I have now. However, it is more an issue of principle than a direct effect on my experience. COVID was big obviously. Nothing has really changed though. Especially compared to other countries and other standards of living. Like Leo said, war or major crash and I am screwed— but otherwise? There is a reason you can live life without ever engaging with politics. It doesn’t affect your life the way you think. Try going a week without politics and see what your real responsibilities are at the moment. Then go a week without water and notice any differences. — Sidenote — You guys started this topic, asking a question, and then just tell Leo he has no ground to give his input because you did not like his answer. If you moved halfway through the Biden administration or feel like you need to move now— you’re fleeing. You’re running away and your brain is being rotted by politics. In countries as bad as the ones you describe, your ability to leave is much lower. Your ability to leave is the insulation itself. Not staying. What are you afraid of, really?

Your father is a mental appearance. So is your Jesus and your path and your Religion. @gettoefl

There is always more.

I think you would have coasted past it more than you think. You’re smart. You just probably would throw fits like I do when you see people like yourself try to explain it away. I saw people buried in Christianity and I tried to have these debates— they go nowhere. But you’re doing it right— your way— your platform. I shouldn’t be so pessimistic. You do. Yes, I agree. As a young man in his 20s— I am the one who struggles with hate. Any advice on how to remain strong in your convictions against the devilry of someone like Trump without having it corrupt yourself on some level? Or do you have a brief re-hash on how one could frame such a situation in a healthy manner? It’s hard. Thank you for your work. You have. It’s confusing. But I understand. You are and I forget that. I do not know that I could ever understand and explain like you do. I think I can be patient and but have had to give patience up for some in my personal life for my own sanity. It can be too easy to become flustered hearing back and forth takes on some topics while holding my ground as a young man and being strong in my values. I am not trying to whine. You know it’s hard. I am in a constant battle of ‘Bad Trump’ — this is why he does it. ‘Bad Christian’s’— they don’t know any better.

@puporing So what is your goal?

Did you go to church for a decade? I swear I read a post of yours saying you never had a true affiliation with a religion. I did— against my will. You think I just sat there and ate it all up and now I’m bragging I am pure still? Who said I was the most woke person on the planet? You are legitimately the only person I have ever heard say that.. Teach me something and I will listen. I don’t even know how to respond to this. Is that the Christian or the North Korean’s fault? You have literally intervened in the past because I harassed Puporing over Christianity. I hate Christianity. But you hate Christians it seems. And maybe I cannot explain my point articulately— but I am more focused on understanding than explaining my every insight to someone. Maybe I should not have posted at all then. But in my eyes, you’re missing something. You do not know what it is like to be stupid, for example. Should a 7th grader be blamed for not completing his 8th grade homework? These people are slow and you critique their arguments. It is like explaining how you feel to a blind man using pictures. Or trying to teach a dog algebra. Debunk something— greater Or come at it differently maybe @Leo Gura

@puporing At the very least, you have a responsibility to speak using dialogue that is universal, if you claim to have the insights you do. Jesus is not a universal term. It is a controversial term. If you do not want to teach… you do not have to teach. But acting surprised every time you have this conversation will not get you anywhere and it makes people doubt you. You are obviously very intelligent. You still have to prove the rest. Leo taught me most of what I know on this stuff while I mowed lawn as a teenager. Leo was foundational for me. I invented Leo. See how this works? You’re not just causing misunderstandings to people who have gone deep here, you’re communicating in ways that display your own misunderstandings and use a 2000+ year controversial religion as a sort of proxy. Lose the proxy, gain credibility, you deserve it. I believe Jesus was your path. Time to make it your own.

@puporing Have you considered having those realizations alone, without Jesus?

@Nemra It’s deeper. They can not— and there is no reason for some 😳 and no way out. There’s a reason why some people have such strong religious takes towards God without formal indoctrination. God is inherent. Peoples take on him are not. People with less control hope. Consider hope as an intelligent survival strategy for some. This is not to say all they do is hope. Strangely, they may be good at something still. Or very caring… atypical to a rational mind or perspective.

@Leo Gura Yeah there’s no Christian ideology in me ha ha. They used to put me in special classes when I was five because I thought they were all retarded. Some of them actually are. That’s what you’re missing. Corruption can’t be causal when it is inherent. The space you are trying to fill with explanation is void. Reality cannot be void, sure. But it has voids. And one is the Christian mind. The true, good hearted, no grift, Christian. I’ll put it this way. They are so stupid that any devilry that they commit you should feel bad for like a dog you did not let out and has peed on your carpet.

@puporing Yeah so did half this community. Next.

@puporing No- you told the community you expected more because someone simply told you it was a high order to claim to be JESUS2. Get over it. That is a tall order. Children around the world would faint for JESUS2. People around the world. The elderly— would die on notice of the news. Non-believers especially. Nobody would believe it. And if you were Jesus— did you come back to whine?!

@puporing I am not going to argue with you. You have now presented numerous false equivalencies. You being gaslit in the past has nothing to do with your responsibility now. Implying that I gaslit you because I called you out for gaslighting is obvious deflection. When I told you to go do something— that would’ve been a good opportunity to speak up for yourself. Instead you virtue signaled that you do not virtue signal.

A terminological explanation would be nice. I think about enlightenment as my human waking up. And God-Realization as the Full God Me Waking Up. But I’m bad with terms 😉

@Globalcollective They weren’t engaging with you honestly. They knew what you meant. — Anyone who cares about the Truth knew what you meant. Leo’s forum is a gift. — Your initial comment was also perfectly fair to anyone who understands the profundity of somebody like Jesus and his story.

@puporing It is clear now you have fundamental misunderstandings. You miss the very essence of Truth. ‘I expect more for this particular place as it claims to care about truth.’ Why? Because of this: Do not gaslight or omit this community because you cannot Edgelord your way into a prophecy— of 2000+ years mind you. The profundity of the -absolute- Truth and claims around God, Jesus, etc. are far from anything you think you could ever say or display. And that goes for everyone else: Leo, Myself, your God, my God, your Mom, your Mom’s mom— etc. — Enough. — If you are Jesus, go— go do something.

@Leo Gura That’s not what Faith is. I had to go to Church as a kid and actually see the madness. Faith is not acting like you know. Faith is admitting you do not and trusting it will work out. You’re missing what would otherwise be obvious to you. There is every type of people. You refer to the more devilish side of Christians. Yes, there’s a good portion not trying to be devils but are rational thinkers and are truly indoctrinated— and well, devilish. They could unlearn or take responsibility. And the out right grifting bastards of course too. Others truly and honestly believe where they do not have the power to know and have faith. One wants to feel Christian. One is naive or devilish or grifts. The other just wants to feel safe. Lot of good people out there with faith. If you’d ask me if I think those people could put together a two piece puzzle with a set of graphic instructions— probably not. Good hearts though. I knew good people in Church. I just thought they were not the brightest. Also that they were harmless enough not to worry about. That was before I understood how the mind works. Still, I do not think this will be something learnable or explainable to them. There’s a reason shepherds exist. — Society has listeners by design.

@Leo Gura I get your point—Ralston’s ‘not knowing’ is deliberate, and Christians don’t practice that. I wasn’t redefining it, just pointing out that Christians still don’t actually know; they just cover it with faith. So they’re in a different kind of not knowing, whether they admit it or not. I could’ve said: Faith = I do not know. Why I didn’t, I don’t know. I see the conflation, though.

@puporing Do you consider yourself unique in your relationship to Jesus— in comparison to most Christians? — When I was 5, in Sunday school, and they taught me about Jesus, something clicked. I asked, “Why do we not just do what Jesus does? What is all the other stuff and the stories?” I do not remember their response. But I was turned off to religion based on its inconsistencies and how I viewed other’s perceptions or motivations behind it. I became atheist, years passed, I became agnostic, years passed, I found Leo’s work, etc.. I like what I have heard about Jesus. I can relate some of his teachings to my conceptions of God. Jesus is God. I am God. But I often hesitate to even mention this as I view it as an encouragement to faith and could ultimately mislead people. The vast majority of people cannot relate to Christianity on that spiritual level. The system of Christianity does what it is doing… and there are not millions and billions of enlightened people… — Ironically, I have a favorite story from the Bible that perfectly illustrates this problem: the story of the Golden Calf. The Israelites got impatient waiting for Moses and made an idol—a version of God that fit their desires—instead of following what was actually given to them. It broke the First Commandment: “You shall have no other gods before Me.” Which is exactly what I fear when talking about my own views. It’s easy to shape a version of God that makes sense to me, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually God or that Jesus really means anything more than other stories’s attempt at Truth— including my stories. People awaken to what they awaken to. Jesus seemed awake. It only makes sense that people may awaken to him. But— the story of the Golden Calf. “You shall have no other gods before Me.” I view stories, such as Jesus’s, as idolatry. I view Leo’s stories of Love and God the same way. Leo may not point to a clear ‘idol’ but his work could be misrepresented and lead to some serious misunderstandings. Some people take the ‘You are God’ thing too far and make an Idol of themselves— there’s been a few of those. And each framework has its own risks. And some are cleaner or sloppier. Christianity, I’d argue, is sloppy. They’re good at engaging people. But I am not so sure for enlightening them.

@Leo Gura Care to elaborate? What I meant was: Christian faith is a form of not-knowing—not in the Ralston sense, but in the sense that it replaces understanding with belief. Their faith functions as a barrier to knowing because it prevents doubt and inquiry. If they had doubt instead of faith, their not-knowing would resemble Ralston’s—an open, investigative stance. But since they don’t, their not-knowing becomes passive and limiting rather than conscious and liberating. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

Ta-Da!

Experience is inevitable, regardless of Consciousness.