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Was I not supposed to be fighting with my Schwartz?

@Emerald You’re right. If I’m accusing him of a pattern, the burden is on me to actually show it. And yes, “bleak, self-centered life” and “Ego, folks” were cheap shots. I don’t need to defend them. Here is probably the cleanest example from this thread. I wrote: “That is the central problem. Every criticism becomes projection, cowardice or insufficient competence.” His next response called my objections a “romanticization of mediocrity disguised as Zen philosophy,” said I must not like being competent, and contrasted his preferred women with an “Amish girl” or an “unambitious woman” who might suit me. When I pointed out that he had just done exactly what I described, he responded by calling us Stage Green, bitter and passive-aggressive, suggested I was seeking validation and “weaselling out,” and later said my arguments came from a “victim mindset instead of agency and abundance.” That is the pattern I meant. I questioned the tradeoffs within his framework, and the framework was repeatedly used to explain what must be deficient about me for questioning it. Whether he does that deliberately or sincerely believes those descriptions, it still replaces engagement with categorization. My cheap shots did not prove my argument, and I’ll own that. But they also did not create the pattern, and his responses were not simply matter-of-fact rebuttals.

The drunk allegations may continue 😂 I think you’re just excited but I don’t know nothing

For anyone still following, I pushed LordFall because I take him seriously. Respecting someone’s competence does not mean accepting their framework uncritically, and honest resistance is not an attack on their character. I also wasn’t going to let a real disagreement be reduced to me being an unexceptional person with low ambition and standards, lol. If someone is serious about truth, challenging a blind spot can be a form of respect, even when the exchange gets ugly. No hard feelings.

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@Emerald My attacks were missile specific, while he calls us unexceptional, dodges specifics, and claims he is the one with an exceptional life. How you read this conversation the way you did is beyond me. Nobody is disputing LordFalls advice. That does not change that it is unsolicited and being used to dodge actual questions. Also, @Inliytened1 and I have got so heated, in a similar topic, that I at least discussed the conversation with Leo. We both have faults. But the fact that we’re agreeing on this should say something.

Of course, he’s a good dude. Models are dangerous and require responsibility. They are not meant to be weaponized or to prove other people are wrong or living less than exceptional lives. I especially expect that from someone here, on Actualized, who claims to be an intellectual. If you consider yourself an intellectual, and you still use models as weapons or think creating ‘better models’ is the goal—consider a different path and expect push back.

Golly, well, if Inliytened and I are coming together, we have to be on to something.

I respect her for taking the argument at face value. I don’t judge her for reading it the way she did. I am being harsh but I am being honest. I’m not just attacking or calling people mediocre and drunk. It also was not unprovoked. He deliberately kept asking me to reinforce the points I already made instead of addressing them and he continued to act out the very patterns I describe. Edit: he addressed them, with deflection and telling me I’m mediocre.

@Inliytened1 Literally every post from Emerald is fantastic. This really caught me off guard.

@Emerald My whole point from the start is that there are tradeoffs. I never even entered a conversation about pickup or ‘his domain.’ That’d be foolish. The problem is: he thinks everything is his domain or mediocre. I’d be curious how you see it your way.

Fair, it’s not my fault he decided to tie his whole identity into a web, though.

Get some wives, then I’ll take your advice. Otherwise you’re just hoping out loud.

@LordFall You’re cracking bro. I brought up a literal itemized list of points and you’ve only made one: I’m not exceptional, I think I’m a victim and I’m projecting it onto you. What obvious cope.

His whole facade is collapsing.

@LordFall Stop insulting people. It is not attractive.

Or the hood of a Camaro

Something intimate too… like a dairy queen or something.

@LordFall So are you going to address my points? Seems like your appeals to your own authority and shaming other people won’t be enough this time.

@LordFall Caring is. He baited you with such ease.

Ego, folks.

If someone cannot discuss the trade-off or vulnerabilities of their framework or a framework having inherent limitations in general, I don’t believe that they have what they think they have figured out. Especially not when their best argument is, I am basically a failure as a person in every way ha

@Inliytened1 Doing things robotically or to the max is not necessarily inherently bad of course not. But when a framework is so clearly arrogant and misguided to the point where I can make multi paragraph rebuttals in under two minutes, there’s something to be acknowledged at the very least.

What a bleak, self centered life.

No wive(s), no intimacy, no point made.