Breakingthewall

What are you talking about? Read my post before answering

Man please, what kind of answer is that? I presented a serious argument, if you can't follow it and nuance or answer just ignore it

I believe that you are dumber than a piece of wood, but I don't tell you so easily. Anyway, be happy and tell your kids that self doesn't exist.

Please, I understand them, the problem is that is see that they are so dumb that it's unbelievable. Its like listening 12 years old kids believing that they are philosophers. So, according to them, everything in reality is real, direct, clean and effortless, except thought, that is not real . Reality is so sad because thought, it's unreal, then we the humans are wrong beings because we think, that goes against the reality, so we have to stop that horrible aberration and be like the flowers. Those geniuses could consider that human conceptual mind is another phase of life, another kind of existence that is happening and that is real, and those thoughts are a expression of the reality, not something that makes baby Jesus crying and that must stop . Ah, but stop effortless meditating in some position 8 h by day .

So, he lives in a civilization made with enormous effort and he says that this civilization is a mistake because flowers happen without effort. Wrong, flowers happen after an evolutionary war that endures billions of years, same than civilization. What Krishnamurti think about lions? Are they wrong doing such effort to hunt preys? Only flowers are allowed? Because animals are in permanent war, same than anything that lives.

Obviously, nobody could do anything for you, you have to eat, do shit and everything, but many people can explain you things about reality that helps you to live and be free.

A lot of people helped me, I listened many people, without them maybe I would be a drug addict or a psycho, or suicidal depressed, or worse, a reggaeton composer. For example I listened to the fucking Krishnamurti when I was 17, but now I see that he is full of lies. Could be useful because the difference between zero spirituality to know that spirituality exist through Krishnamurti is huge, but he's full of mistakes to a level that is impossible to take him seriously

What you are is an expression of the unlimited, then the unlimited is expressed as james. James will disappear but the unlimited can't. Just open yourself to the unlimited, then you will see that James the form but what is essential is the substance. I don't mean that after death you will continue as james, what I mean is that everything that exists is what you are, so you can let James go, same than understanding. Just open yourself to the unlimited. Understanding is essential in James because it's the key of freedom, but the unlimited can't be understood, because it's total. If the unlimited is seen through James, James can be burnt, the unlimited is everything, it's the absolute power, and you are that.

I know that it's absolutely true, because Im open to the real nature of what I am. It's absolutely obvious, and you can't "investigate" it thinking, you have to be open to it.

Yes, I've listened. He says no one can tell you what to do, that any guidance is absurd. Meanwhile, he gives lectures guiding people. Seriously, every human has consumed tons of content, books, philosophy, etc., and from all of it has intuited a path and followed it. That's guidance, and it's unavoidable. A human without the guidance of other humans is nothing; he wouldn't know how to speak, think, hunt, or anything, and would die quickly. K just talks nonsense, one thing after another.

He didn't say that in the quote we are commenting, he said that a man who's trying to be something is sick Sure, then let's be flowers and buds. He said that in a conference after flying in a plane in business class?

Then you never would do a surgery, because it's not natural. You have to become a surgeon, and this is a long and difficult path. In any real path you will give your best and that's what life is.

Then becoming an artist, a doctor, a mystic, a sailor or a integral man is sick. You need to be already that. Well it doesn't work like that. Humans have to fight, life fights.

He tells you not to believe in any teacher, only yourself, and then he writes 20 books saying what is right and what is wrong, again and again. Then, I follow his advice and I don't believe a single word of him.

Good insights. For me everything is much simpler and God, dream and that are ideas that are an obstacle, but your view points in the correct direction, your intuition leads you to the right path.

Wonderful! What are practical activities? For example, working in carpentry. So, the ideal humans would be laborers who work and meditate in their free time. Well, that's how it would be according to you, or the wise Krishnamurti, but that's not reality. The reality is that humans are an evolutionary force that operates as it does, with friction and rumination. I understand that for you and K, this is wrong; the evolutionary force of reality is foolish, and you are clever. It's nice to think like that! But the reality is that life is expansive pressure that expresses itself in the way we see. According to Krishnamurti, the uber clown, humans made a mistake around 7,000 years ago, and they've been wrong ever since. Poor humans, contradicting the will of reality. Bad! Bad humans! Reality cries! Very bad!

That vision happen because you are attached to your actual character, then for you the end of the character is the end of reality, but look, when you die, probably I would be still alive, then reality would still exist. And if unfortunately I'm also dead, infinite others would live. What you are is not veganimboring but life itself, and you can't die. Forget vegan and you will see. Of course you can't understand it because for you you are a piece of life that will die, but there are not pieces, it's the unlimited that lives, and the piece contains the totality, same than the totality is expressed as a part. But you can't leave the part, that's why you are limited. Break your limits and see. But of course, now a mock with emoticons so funny will come with condescendence as defense. Well, your choice.

I don't think that realizing that you are god dreaming is being awake but just a fantasy because it implies an intentional entity. What you are is the unlimited, the expansive drive of reality expressed in a form of extreme perfection and beauty, and if your mind and your emotional system are open the natural expression of them would be expansion, action, love and joy.

😂😂😂 Good attempt. Little narc. Sure, wars are bad, god cries because wars. God wants peace, but evil humans don't. Same than lions, evil lions killing animals Ah, so thoughts should use for good things, that are the things that you think that are good. Yeah, it's obvious. Stupid human, creating civilizations and that. Would be much better that Krishnamurti and you rules the world. Sure, that's why all of them are narcissists deluded detached of the real drive of life. You are a complete dumb, very common in spirituality. Usually I don't use to be direct, but your first sentences allow me to do a description of you : Pompous. Foolish. Closed-minded in narrow notions of good and evil. Confusing the absolute with the local. A complete fool who thinks he's intelligent but who is disabled for fresh though. Btw, many true mystics, like UG Krishnamurti said that jiddu was just a fake. But anyway, you wont understand anything, so be happy..... if you can

You are a good example. It's clear you're someone who has intentionally let down their defenses, stripping bare their self-image with integrity as your goal. And it's evident you're not doing this out of nobility or kindness, but out of intelligence, realizing it's the only sensible path. Many people believe they are integral, but they have a lie at their core, and they wouldn't trade that lie for paradise. Their drive is to reinforce that lie. Are they bad? No, they're foolish

But if you were to release all the atomic energy from a human body, the explosion would be like 34 simultaneous Tsar Bombas, something that would create a level of continental devastation and plunge the planet into a nuclear winter and perhaps end civilization.

Nailed. Sanity is appreciated in this forum, it's so rare. The drive of life is expansion. Maybe you are so spiritual and you think: oh, nothing matters, for me it's the same being tortured than having health and success, because at the end everything is going to disappear. That's just evasion, life wants to live, and doesn't need any reason for it, it's just a fact, and as much aligned are you with your nature, better experience. The point is not success, it's vector and movement. Success is a consequence.

Why I'm saying it? I didn't understand what you are saying. Anyway, thanks for the conversation

Means spiritual bypassing. It happens when people read about spirituality; they conclude that you shouldn't have preferences, you should love everything, etc. Then they pretend that's their state and half-believe it. They find their identity in it and like the end of their fear to death. The problem is that it's a lie. As a human being, you have a real emotional structure that makes you prefer dinner with a model to being tortured by a Mexican cartel. But they think that being enlightened means not caring and let everything go because there's no self and all that. You don't need to stop being human to be open to the absolute. Just being aligned

Because any human is closed by default, our emotional structures are built for survival and for tribal cohesion not for openess, then you have to do an action of openess and breaking your barriers to be open to your ultimate nature, and it's extremely difficult, because you are immersed in the emotional density, same that everyone else