Breakingthewall

Means that if you are smart enough your intuition will tell you that "enlightenment," or whatever you want to call it, is the absence of limits itself, not any "realization" you may have, since that realization occurs within the confines of your current structure. Openenss means perceive yourself absolutely unlimited, that implies everything. The total clarity of what you are. At first, you will try to remember it and may fall into delusions, but there will be a voice that whispers to you: "Don't fool yourself, idiot, don't you see that's a history?" At a certain point, you will begin to perceive the limitation as a serious nuisance, so you will begin to make energetic and conceptual adjustments to be able to open your structure more easily. The problem with psychedelics is that you are very "high," so everything is confusing, except for a few moments of clarity. You may intuit that this moment is what points to liberation, or maybe not; your ego may be stronger and you prefer to remain in circular narratives, seemingly unlimited but with limits, center. It is a long process, but perhaps it will be easy for you, perhaps not. I would say that you have enough foundation and enough skepticism to be able to enter into swampy terrain. In some point, you will be in absolute openess, total clarity, one with the total, in some moments being sober, and other moments not so. But if you are smart enough you won't construct narratives about the absolute. You can be the absolute, in the sense that don't be lost in the form, or not. You can't think in the absolute from the form, it's nonsense. You can think in the structure of the form that closes, but not in the openess

Then you are not in control except for awakening in the morning. I guess that maybe for some other things right? Maybe for everything? Well, but it's ok having that fantasy of no control. Imagine defecating without control, or masturbating in the subway. Maybe people could find it weird , then they would tell you: control yourself! And you would do. That's life. Of course if you were for example a monkey, nobody would expect any control, you could follow your impulses anytime, but unfortunately you aren't, then you have to control everything

In my opinion giving your sovereignty to others will never work for real spiritual progress, since enlightenment is being one with the Absolute, that is, realizing that you are the Absolute and be it. To do this, you must take full responsibility for yourself and detach yourself from any established system. Each mental structure is unique, so by definition, no homogenizing system will work. Perhaps it will turn you into a silent and empty Zen student, nothing more. Btw, I discovered another very interesting Sufi: Al Hallaj. A kind of Iranian Jesus Christ. Straight to the Absolute

The truth is absence of limits, then yes, a psychedelic can break your limits, but the most common is that your mind avoid it creating other limits apparently wider

No, I mean that if you work, how do you do to awake early, or going work some days that you would prefer stay at home, if you have released all the control

So you don't work?

Same, anyway , you don't understand my point, what to do? I Hope you get perfect of that surgery

The point isn't to disintegrate the self, but to open it. Disintegrating the self is the Buddhist way; it implies reaching emptiness. In emptiness, there is no suffering, and nothing matters. But there is a trap: who is dissolving the self? Another self, the Buddhist self that believes in emptiness, reincarnation and nirvana. Opening means perceiving yourself as the living flow of the reality without limits. I mean, you perceive yourself as the form , but also as the flow, the movement, the becoming, then you can shift the focus to the unlimited perspective putting the structure in background. To do that you have to make the structure equalized with the flow, so similar thats almost one, without closures, transparent. Then in some moments you can perceive the real flow so direct than you get open to it's ultimate nature. That's the mystical thing, look in the face to the totality and be one with it, be that. Not the flow or the becoming, the absolute, the nature of reality, the reality itself. Then it closes but the flow is permeated of its life, it's clarity, it's beauty. So you see clearly that everything is pale, black and white, if your perception is opaque. It's not defining the reality as infinite, god or anything, is be open to it's nature as much as is possible, then the self can be burned by the fire of the real thing. It's not that the self is false, it's that it's like a interface. It's impossible being without self unless you equalize the interface so much that the absolute or call it whatever is transparent, then you have like mystic experiences then you think... maybe the self is dissapearing, it's just the totality flowing, there is no difference in some moments. Maybe in some point it's so transparent that there is no "self", just a minimalist structure that almost doesn't occupy place and the totality that you are is totally open all the time. But little by little because there are opaque points , it's a natural process that moves in its rhythm, like anything else. It's impossible to force it, just perceive as clear as you can, without lies, ideas, traps, etc

Yeah you are better than me. All your chatting is to point that right? Ok, I admit. And you are enlightened, but not as Buddha, much more 🥱

i am the body and the mind . Look, do an experiment, take one of those bread knives and saw off your leg. You'll see that you're the body. The point is not deny the obvious like if you try to become psycho, is open your perspective and realize the flow and the nature of what is. Be one with the totality without denying the part

Of course I am, I have a body to protect, money to gain and all that. Why denying the reality?

I have some control since i am a closed form that, when opened, allows the absolute to express itself. Then I'm the absolute in a form, that of the family and DNA are expressions of the absolute ,parts of an infinite chain of cause and effect that give rise to an expression of reality that is both consequence and cause, and that is oriented toward opening or closing by its will. Will is the inevitable expansion of reality, the incessant movement, which can be oriented in different directions but can't be not oriented since it's movement. You, as a structure, are form but also an expression of the reality; what you choose is the choice of the total

Then if you see your family being tortured you would do that realization and the anger would be vanished because you would realize that you are the anger? Then if the Sioux tell you that in 5 minutes you will be buried in an anthill to be devoured by the ants during a week, you will be ok because just now there in nothing wrong? Then if the doctor tells you that you have brain cancer that will slowly leave you mentally retarded and crazy, amidst horrible pain, if you don't define it as a "problem", everything would be ok and you will leave the doctor happy and without any anxiety?

Without anything that closes there is openenss. The problem is that usually there is something that closes, then we have to understand how our structure closes to open it.

Yes but Now I can be absolutely angry because I have not enough methanphetamine to invite 3 prostitutes to my house and stay 3 days in a kind of "now" let's say closed. It's different than if my now is being Buddha under that tree

Great you appreciate , you seem to be focused , like not in ego games but to the root. I think that of the trauma is the normal starting point , without that most of us would be adapted and living in a let's say grey area not so bad . If you have a hole in your structure and your vibration is suffering, you have to find a way

It's a combination between let's say horrible family circumstances (from my way of feel them) and intuition to see the traps. The only way is openess, the others are depression, addiction, suicide. Nothing special, millions are there living in the hell right now. I'd say that the real point is that when I was a kid I lived in real openess, then I remember more or less and I understand the false paths. I used to meditate like 2 hours by day even was a mess, then do a lot of psychedelic but not with the idea of see the "truth" but see how my structure breaks and then reconstructs, again and again. It's something that you can't understand like something linear. It's a structure that operates in many dimensions: emotional, conceptual, temporal, projective.... You won't understand it conceptually, but rather you'll "see" it, like what you said before, about the self giving "thickness" to external reality. that kind of understanding that can't be easily articulated. There will be people who understand it in a single deconstruction and others who need 300. The issue isn't the time you need, but rather avoiding traps. God, creation, etc. As you can see, it's normal. The strange thing is the people who sense the traps, who intuitively see that something isn't equalized, clean, perfectly synchronized. If you sense that, you go further. If not, you'll be trapped your whole life, until you die. It's not fun; it's life in action, totally ruthless. A happy ending isn't guaranteed; it's usually more of a horrible ending.

A phone?

Your words that are going to say anything like everything is a thought with thoughts

Non existence doesn't exist, is the reality still, existence is the reality changing . Imo it's important to see the difference between existence and reality Not separate, reality is the absolute, existence is an aspect of the reality, the becoming. The change of the reality respect itself, movement. It's infinite, but not absolute. The absolute is the reality. This is the point.

That's exactly the point, the real substance. That thickness is the totality. If you stare it directly, without any idea, filter, distraction, it opens. It's not like realizing something, it's that the substance of reality opens and you are that, then everything is you, but not as a entity but as a substance, and that substance is not empty, I absolutely full, it lives without bottom It's like for you the happening is empty, just the substance is full, and the substance is precisely you. But probably if you are totally open to the substance, you will perceive it in the world , then you will see that everything is deep, alive. That of everything is imagination is meaningless, this's just structure. What is the point is the substance, what reality is. Can't be said by definition

Good intuition. All that stuff about deep sleep and consciousness is absolutely irrelevant, what is real is the substance of reality, not its structure. About deep sleep, it's just an interruption in the conciousness, it's the same than death, it's in another plane of the reality: what doesn't exist. Existence is what's happens, the becoming, deep sleep doesn't happen, it's out of the happening, but that doesn't means that it isn't real. Happening is the movement of the reality, then the absence of happening is just the reality still.

The vast majority (myself included) would never look within without being forced to, because the outside is so absorbing. There are very few people with a mystical vocation who aren't born of trauma. I suppose they're people who, by nature, perceive the world as dull. This surely creates imbalance, a feeling that reality is unreal, dead. Then perhaps at some point, naturally, without violence, reality opens up in them.

Yeah that's. It's inevitable, then it's extremely difficult to focus your attention in the structure because even you think that you are doing it you are looking outside. That's why usually only a wound that tells you again and again that that's not the place where you should look is the key. But some could do without that, just for vocation.

@zurew well said , this demonstrates the obviousness that while from an unlimited perspective everything is the same, from the perspective of form everything has an infinite meaning, everything starts a chain of infinite cause and effect relationships, then the monk would perceive that each breath, each energetic vibration that produces a thought reverberates in eternity, and from the relational node that he is, only openness, synchrony and fluidity would arise, since that would be its nature, it's structure. Violence is a kind or relational energy that happens in reality, but you could say that it's low vibration. The monk would operate from higher vibration and the result would be armony. It's not that he choose armony, it's that his structure is that and what emanates from that equalized structure is harmony. It's not "better", it's equalized, another level of existence