Breakingthewall

Maybe I'm wrong, but when I read him I perceive always the intention of appear profound, not real depth. But that's a subjective impression . I have the same feeling with Krishnamurti for example.

I think thats not self image but desire to be your best version. Self image is precisely "image", something that you imagine and you want that others think about you, like the concept that others have. It's not like being worry if you are fat but hate yourself a lot if you don't fit in an image, so much that you can't bear it and then you believe that you fit in that image that you created to survive emotionally, but deeply you know that's not real and you are very anxious. It's something that happens due deep wounds of lack of love, a big hole in your structure. Many people has this hole, it's what I meant in the thread about the wound, but some realize that they have to work in it from inside and others hide it and work from outside. Then they work creating a self image. It's something very disfuncional and source of deep suffering

You could say yes, in one sense and not the other. Liberation happened many times, I understand the mechanics of self-closure, but it's quite subtle, with many nuances. At times, lately when I've been sober, everything is diaphanous, open, and total, maybe 2 minutes. But my structure, the self, still has quite a bit of impurity, so these openings are brief. If, for example, two days go by without this happening for at least an instant, my reality becomes dense again. Then I think, let's see if I can make everything open up, but it either happens or it doesn't. What's clear is that if you want this (and you do, since everything else is pale and lifeless without this opening), you must equalize your structure. This happens naturally. You perceive behaviors as impossible, disgusting, and they gradually disappear. The essential thing is openness, but that doesn't mean that the human must not flow. The form still exists; it just must be equalized. How? Only intuition can tell. Reality flows. When people says: I'm enlightened, absolutely liberated, etc...well, where is someone like that? I don't know any. It's not so simple. For example reading al Allahj , a Sufi, I perceive radical openenss

Depending of how you define "you". If you define as something relative to anything else, you could say that in essence, absolutely, the "you" is just an appearance in the sense of its circumstantial, but if you erase all the barriers, the reality is and you are that

Knowing is relative to anything, the absolute is not unknowable because "knowing" is relative; it means nothing out of the relative. You can open yourself to your true nature; this means ceasing to be "you" and becoming your true nature. "You" is the structure that knows, perceives, and understands.

@PurpleTree I just read your thread about tony Parsons and that. Reality is nothing, reality is conciousness....it's very obvious that they are relative definitions that are being built in the relative paradigm right? Obvious truth: you are, right? Then you are the reality. This mean nothing conceptually, you have to open yourself to what you are. Obviously if you are the reality you are essentially absolute, that means that you are the reality without relationship with anything else. That means that in relation with anything else you are a relative circumstantial reality. That is, there are two perspectives: one relative and one absolute. If you want to place yourself in the absolute perspective, you must understand that it is not a perspective, since "perspective" implies an observer. You must be one with yourself. Allow all the barriers that are necessarily built in the relative perspective to dissolve and open up to yourself absolutely. Here, words end and actions begin. You either do it or you don't. There is nothing to talk about this, since it is absolute, and talking is relative, just as thinking is. Then any teaching should be about what those barriers are and how dissolve them, not about what reality is. Reality is you and it's absolute, nothing else can be said

What says essentially?

Neo advaita is false because says that reality is nondual and that reality is consciousness. Consciousness implies perception, and perception implies duality. Consciousness is a quality of reality; reality is you, and you are not consciousness; you are total. The absolute. Consciousness is a superficial perspective, supposedly nondual but stuck in the relative.

If you don't like that people answer to you with words, what would you like? Just that they read your words?

If you become concious of the absolute truth it's not the absolute truth, it's relative to you. You can be the absolute truth, without "being concious of", that's why it's unthinkable and impossible to remember But about what I said of the accident and no thought. Don't you understand that without thought it's still separation?

That is conceptual. Conceptual things have an energetic basis. If you don't understand that thoughts are a consequence, not a cause, you don't understand the dynamics of closure. You can have a completely silent and closed mind. For example, you can have an accident and become a being who can't even eat alone, or articulate a simple thought, and be constantly terrified. Let's see if you can have a conversation and you don't answer: brother, stop mental masturbation. You answered leo without those tricks right? Because he's the owner of the forum. Then answer me without your usual lie. Could you?

That's very dangerous territory. First, you define enlightenment as the end of suffering and immortality, something anyone would want, the most any human being can aspire to. And then you say you can give that in exchange for money.

Yeah, the remedy is that, not exactly non duality but spiritual development. The need to connect with others is inevitable; we're human. Connecting from a self-image is misery; you're like a beggar asking for alms. The point is to connect from an open perspective, letting what's inside you flow, and seeking real connection.

Agree, I think he thought he has powers and he can enlighten people by skype. Crazy right?

Today, we're all like this. The key is to realize it and focus on substance, not appearance. The true narcissist is the one who can't stand it. The pressure is so great that he invents a parallel reality bubble in which he designs a brilliant self-image and believes it. Since this is a distortion, he always needs validation, so his entire speech, in one way or another, revolves around that self-image. Your speech now revolves around your truth. The difference is essential.

If you were a narcissist you couldn't say that. Everyone has the self image around, almost nobody is totally free, it's very difficult, but the narcissist is who believes their lies, it's bit psychotic

Narcissist is someone who put first his self image and then the reality. Narcissist is who believes his lies, because his emotional system doesn't allow him another option. He can't be naked, true, even being alone, he needs always a lot of stories about himself rounding is his mind, and when he relate with anyone he does from that need, to feed his self image. He can seem nice but he's always a scammer, a vampire. Seems that he gives but it's to take It's a stupid attitude, because leads to madness, very bad life

Psychology is extremely important, people is full lies. Layer under later under layer, like an onion

Well, for me, an association that promotes the acceptance of a Messiah as an absolute ontological truth is mental and spiritual abuse. The definitions of abuse are flexible; everyone draws the red line where they see it.

This is not about enlightenment, it's about psychology, very useful imo.

Not everywhere, just where it is. Everyone has some narcissism, it's important to understand it. Yah you are right, nothing wrong, and just 10.000 us in 1 year Btw nahm used to say that he is millionaire due his 3 business Anyway, let's forget the conversation, you are right, he's the most legit person. I understand your point, you judge according your emotions. It's ok.

@kbone sure but all of your speech have a center: you. Even indirectly, then the vibration is always, let's say difficult. Anyway, if you want to criticize or dismantle what I say about spirituality, reality, etc., using logic, reality, pointing out errors, welcome.

Nahm was the most legit person on the forum. How could be legit someone who accept 10 k for transmission to enlightenment from a guy who's depressed and lost? Anyway, bad for my side mentioning for that reason someone who is not here for answering I don't mean that they should be perfect, but at least not essentially liars 😅. Most of them really believe that they are legit, enlightened, saint and everything, it's the mechanics of narcissism, it's very surprising mental structure. I will start a thread about narcissism, it's extremely interesting topic

Maybe not always, Isha is a cult and Sadhguru their divinity, but doesn't seem dangerous or abusive.

Many people don't realize that all their energy revolves around their self-image. I think we've all fallen into that at some point in our lives. When you're a teenager, it's almost impossible to avoid it. The point is to realize it and see the depth of your corruption, commit to the truth, and polish yourself as much as possible, which will never be perfect.