Breakingthewall

You can completely separate yourself from meaning at will, but to do so, you must first break it. Meaning goes deeper than the superficial layer of the mind; it's in your structure. It's not enough to silence the mind for it to dissolve; it lurks behind it, closing off your perception. Drugs are useful for breaking meaning, for being in a state where reality flows and means absolutely nothing, and you don't search for any meaning; you simply are. There's no God or stories. Then it can happen that your heart opens, and the reality that you are manifests. If you want to trap this with the grip of the mind, which fixes everything through meaning, then you get a wall.

Meaning is a cause-effect relationship, the absolute is meaningless, unthinkable and unknowable, you can be open to it or not.

That not so simple. First, the social ego is a reality that arises from the synergy of human genetics and contact with the environment over millennia. You are not just an individual, you are also a hive being. Everything your mind produces is hive processing. Without the hive, you would be a larva incapable of surviving even a day. The ego mind is real, not an idea. It's an energetic structure as real as the body, with enormous power. Second: There are lonely people who have absolutely no interest in others, no reading, companionship, or contact, and are in a closed state. Loneliness is no different from companionship in terms of openness; reality is reality; neither is more real than the other. Both the collective ego and loneliness are reality. Attachment can arise in both realities. You can have attachment to your human life even if you are outside the collective matrix. In order to let go of your life, you must be open to the whole. You cannot stop having attachment to your life by an act of will. There are natural mystics, like Ramana Maharsi, who have no attachment to the collective ego, since their nature is spontaneous openness. Within them, a series of circumstances culminate in that point. But if that's not the case in your case, your path will be different. Let's see, what you're looking for is the breaking of the structural limits of your mind and opening it to the limitlessness that you are. There are people who have done years of retreats in absolute solitude, and that hasn't happened. They've remained within their structure, having closed, relative realizations. Openness is absolute; it's not relative to anything. Whether this happens doesn't depend on solitude. There's no essential difference between solitude and being surrounded by people; both are reality. Openness requires an open heart and a transgressive mind that breaks down structures until none remain.

Yeah, sure, except that "oneself" includes a genetic foundation created over millions of years with conditioning as solid as steel, plus each and every interaction with the entirety of infinite reality in infinite dimensions throughout infinite lifetimes creating butterfly effects that fluctuate in eternity until they create that small energetic vibration of unimaginable complexity that encompasses the entirety of reality, which we call "suffering." So, if you want to change that energetic dynamic that encompasses infinity and open your psyche to the whole, the lobotomy that Ralston proposes is only going to serve to increase the volume of his bank account, which is something. Oh, and to frustrate you and keep you trapped in a false idea without possibility of real positive movement , and the suffering is going to happen in another way, because those principles are not real.

Neo-Advaita is seductive because it tells you that you are creating your negative feelings, so you simply have to realize this and stop having them. You have the power to feel whatever you want. Oh, by the way, there is no "you," it's an illusion. So I am consciousness since everything is consciousness, so the things that appear are consciousness. How so? So conciousness has forms, like elephants and things like that? No, they are just illusions of consciousness; they don't really exist. And why are they there? Because consciousness plays with itself to explore itself. To explore what if it is consciousness, and besides, there is no self that wants anything? You have to awake to realize it. My neighbor realized that extraterrestrials are sending him to do evil, and now he's on medication. No, that realization is false; the one from consciousness is the true one. Oh, okay, I get it.

If it's a mental construct, why you can't fly?

If you recognize your limitless nature and become one with it, you recognize that same nature in others. In some, it is more blocked by the structure of the form; in others, it is more transparent. The nature of limitlessness is openness. Closure is circumstantial; it is a consequence of the reality of the form, which must fit within the framework of the reality of the form. When you perceive this, you judge people less as good or bad. Rather, you see that they are trapped in a process of expansion that may or may not occur. I suppose it does at some point, but in other lives, if that is the case.

Not necessarily, only if you don't get lost in traps. Do you remember when you did 5meo DMT right? If you vape 25 mg, there's usually a realization of infinity, and that translates to bliss, infinite love, etc. That bliss is simply the absence of barriers; it's not a thing; it's an absence. It's the taste of limitless . You recognize it as your nature; it opens your mind and fills your heart. Obviously, if that's your nature, you don't need 5meo to open yourself to it. You just need to stare your barriers in the face again and again until, millimeter by millimeter, they begin to fall. But you can't fool yourself with stories, God, etc., because if you do, you'll be trapped.

As you blur your energetic barriers, your way of processing, being, existing, flowing begins to restructure. These are progressive and cumulative changes, completely real, until at a given moment you realize there's almost no anxious energy, searching, negative rumination, or anything else that makes life unpleasant. Instead, there's more and more expansion, beauty, and clean, easy vital flow. This is what spiritual work is all about, isn't it? Openness and alignment. Achieving a conceptual framework without closure makes openness possible, but it's not synonymous with it; it's just one more facet of the process

Bliss is like nice? I don't mean that, I mean openess, make your energetic configuration transparent so that the nature of reality manifests through it.

@gettoefl If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern. As Blake said, it's a matter of openess. The doors are closed by evolutionary necessity. At some point, they open.

When they say they don't have a self, they mean they don't operate in the comparative frequency, in which you're constantly evaluating your self-image against learned standards. It's essential to break out of that way of processing because it binds you in total limited state. To get out of there, you have to look at the fear of non-acceptance and break through it. But once you break out of there and operate without comparison, barriers still exist. To achieve true openness, you have to look directly into the void, into the absolute nihilism of meaninglessness, and also into the fear of death. You have to dissolve all your barriers and manage to expand without limits for a moment, another time for longer, etc. This doesn't mean you don't have a self, but rather that your self operates in an open frequency. The self is what you are, your energetic structure. It can't disappear. Those who say this are operating in duality, and they are masters of non-duality.

@Meeksauce If a statement is not absolutely logical, simply discard it.

Percepctions are not thoughts. It's something that you feel, perceive, are concious of.

You can go further. You can perceive with absolute clarity the inherent vitality of this moment, and its unfathomable depth. And you can also realize that this moment or perspective of reality is being created by the totality of the limitless perspectives of reality, and that absolutely all of them are interconnected. You can perceive its vitality, its depth, its limitlessness, how they are moving, fluctuating, flowing in a perfect way

You said: when loves arrives the intellect depart. That's a logical construction that comes from the frame of your energetic structure. Even if you are in deep meditation, the energetic structure of your psyche remains, and that structure emits a form that appears as: when loves arrives the intellect depart. All logical constructs that emerge from that structure are manifestations of that structure. So, if that structure is limited, you will be limited. if your logical structure is open, you have the possibility of real openess, just because your logical structure is not closing. It changes your energetic structure, the way of what reality is expressing itself through you

An open conceptual framework without any logical flaws is essential. Even in deep meditation, your conceptual framework continues to operate in the background. If it has errors or limitations, it will limit you.

No, it can also be used for other things, for example to commit suicide

Mind is not a place, is the fact of structured logical reasoning

There is not problem with the mind if it is aligned, the problem with the mind is when it's structure is wrong. Wrong means limited.

Then love excludes intellect?

It could be said without contradiction that absolute openness is synonymous with being. Being is not something; it is the very absence of limits, since not being would be a limit. Therefore, ultimate reality is being reflected in itself. The point is: what is reflecting? Let's say that I and everything that exists are essentially being, and being is synonymous with openness. What I perceive, what appears in this "being," is in turn being; it is also open and unlimited. Openness unfolds infinitely and looks at itself. "Looking at itself" in the sense of contrasting in state. Being has infinite states, but only one essence: openness. In the absence of limits, it is inevitable that two states of being oppose each other and create a stable, synchronous movement. This fact, raised to the infinite power, is manifest reality. Only that possible appears; everything that is possible appears. Possible = coherent, synchronous with the totality of infinite manifest being. As you can see, this is an unlimited perspective, vs. the limited perspective of creator and creation. If you truly realize that you are the total openness, contraction disappears. This is felt physically, in your breathing; the mind becomes clear and open. To be a bit poetic, reality sings, rejoices, flows upon itself with joy, bursts into joy because it is

That vision lacks logic, and reality is absolutely logical. What does "imagine" mean? Who imagines? How? Why? All of these are limits. The wild card of: you need to awake to that realization, It will put you in the category of a person who needs security and certainty and for this, he creates a story and believes it, aka religious.

It's impossible for reality to be like this because reality is unlimited, and the perspective you propose is limited; it has a creative center that emits images. The unlimited can't have a center, and the only possible creation is the inevitable reflection between contrasting states to infinite power. So, if you explain that vision to an atheist, they'll still be an atheist because it's untenable; it's a closed perspective.

Yeah, that means that you are looking for the depth, not looking for the flat absence. There is a self. It's an energetic structure that's occurring. You're afraid, you have a desire for survival. You'd rather have health and freedom than be locked in a basement full of rats for the rest of your life. It's a reality, so why do they say it's an illusion? They want to square the circle with hammer blows so they can burn themselves as a bonze without lifting a finger. Well, that's still self. The Buddhism is full of self and morality, it's a closed religion. It's more closed than Christianity, but it's seductive and the spirituality now is Buddhism with nuances.