Breakingthewall

Sure But if I've already tried the apple, then I can talk about it. That's what talking is all about: expressing your experience If there is no creator, what appears is not a creation. But it's always a creator, a cause of everything that appears. You can follow the causes without end, then the reality is creating itself in it's infinite flow. How could be a reason for the creation? It just is because there are no limits, it can't not be, would be limited. That about the reason is just a opinion that you said. If you said: anything that appears is made of love, then could be possible, or at least we could talk about why or how it's love, but that about the reason is impossible. The last: what is love? Is love something? Like love someone? Love the life? What exactly means love? Maybe love means existing? Then it's not that existence is love, it's that love is existence. Existence is existence, not anything else. Don't you see the point? It's essential You said that concepts are nothing, but they are important because some concepts are a door that can be open or closed

Great to know. This topic is too fascinating, nothing else is even close.

I know, I can't avoid, I'm an unbearable smartass 😅

Yes I just argue the approach. it's right now, in the middle of the shit. Then the point is finding the way now, not imagining another better circumstances. The only way is really empty the mind for ideas bout what is and focus in the ideas of what closes, to open yourself. The path is blind, you don't know what you are going to find, then better don't think about it , maybe it's nothing, maybe everyone is wrong when they talk about it, it's a possibility.

You said that the purpose of the creation is burning in love. Then first there is a creation, so where is the creator? And he does it with a defined purpose: burning in love. What is love? What was before of your so called birth?

Why you say that if before you said that any thought is meaningless? All except this one?

Break yourself into a thousand pieces so the sun can pass through you, says Rumi. Where is the sun in your enlightenment?

@emil1234 for me the thing with psychedelic was like that: At first, it was emotional, etc., but at a certain point, with 5 meo, it was: absolute emptiness. Reality is a mirage, and beneath it there is emptiness. Infinite, it opens absolutely, and there is nothing. Or, if you prefer, there is an awareness of emptiness. It was absolutely horrible; I felt like committing suicide. Reality was dead; it didn't really exist; it was just dead emptiness. Absolutely depressing. So I had to take psychedelics again and again because I sensed that this horrible shit couldn't be everything. But every time it was the same, dozens of times. It was something so sad and so nihilistic that it squeezed your heart and froze it. It doesn't matter if you are eternal consciousness; the essence of reality is nothing, so reality is nothing. It's dead. At one point, on a trip, I realized that I was looking outside; I was an observer observing the exterior. There was nothing there. Then i changed the focus, then stopped looking, became one with nothingness, and in that same instant, nothingness opened up. It was everything. Absolute, unlimited, alive with infinite lives, shining like infinite stars, an absolute cry of joy emerging from the depths of the abyss of the limitless. Absolute freedom, absolute life, total glory. Loneliness? That idea doesn't exist. You are total, much more than any dream, impossible to think, unlimited. Then the point was reaching that openenss without 5 meo, little by little, difficult, a lot of barriers. That's why I talk so much about it like I'm an obsessive ,because it's essential, anything else is a trap

Imo real meditation is in great part facing the fear itself. Not fear to something, but fear, all human have a lot inside, it's like a main energetic barrier that builds the human psyche. It's unconscious, see it requires look inside , open yourself totally. For example, 5 meo is scary right? You talked about it in another post. For me was absolutely terrifying, a real fear

The only exit that I see is here and now. opening yourself to what reality is and placing direct perception first and preference second. Not eliminating it, but not letting it reign. The only way is openness; the other possibility is religion, and it never brings real satisfaction.

For me there are a lot of uncociouss fears. Death, absolute loneliness, many others. They make us move, without emotions we would be totally still, that's why the mystics said: be still to reach the truth, but better trying to hack the system without having to become a vegetable. There will be time when we are dead.

It seems to be the dynamic of power. Power is a possibility, so there's a niche, a gap. That gap is going be filled. It demands cruelty, ruthlessness, and an absolute focus on power, since the competition is total, so absolutely cruel beings emerge to fill that gap. There are not limits, seems that this is the dynamic of life, when something is possible, happens.

I'm not creating the dreams, they happen due some quadrillions of neural interconnections that happens due some quadrillions of relations with the whole of reality that comes from the infinite chain of cause effect or the totality . I'm floating in the flow of the reality, same than you, and every breath that happens is an effect of the whole and a cause of the whole. And it's absolutely impossible by definition knowing whats going to happen next, because it's infinite

My choice is the only choice that's not madness, the real openess. First forget absolutely all the ideas. Second, direct and deep observation of myself in meditation and psychedelics, third, staring my fear and my attachment without any decorations, 4, stare directly to death and the absolute nihilism of the reality, the absolute void of everything, as long as I can. Intuit that there is something else to see. And finally, let my structure get open, see the absolute that everything is, my real nature, the absolute depth. Then perceive it's reality, it's flow, everywhere, be one with it and enjoy life realizing the beauty and the joy of existing

If you assume ideas that have not a real foundation you are stuck. Your mental structure must be open to see, and those ideas are a limit. If you prefer keep those barriers, it's your choice, but at the end are a jail

First time I did 5 meo I was trapped in the fact of existing without scape, was absolutely horrible feeling. Then everytime I did psychedelic I had that realization until I opened it. . Consciousness is the fact of being aware of. It's not something definite but a reality. For conciousness to exist a perceptor and something perceived are needed. You could say that they collapse and only conciousness remains, but it's not true because without change there is not conciousness. Imagine the no change. You can't imagine it because everything is change. Conciousness is the perception of change, then you could deduct that there is something deeper, the nature of the change, what change is made of. Without change there is not subjective reality, no conciousness. a gap until change happens and conciousness restart, then no gap, just change You could say: in deep meditation there is not change. There are infinite micro changes that are building the experience of deep meditation You could say it's made of consciousness, as is the wisdom of Advaita-based spirituality, but this doesn't make sense. It's a misconception, like saying that without awareness of change, there is no change. The explanation would be: If you're not conscious, where is the change? A somewhat forced explanation. It's like saying: If you've never been others, others don't exist; only your field of consciousness exists. These are categorical statements based on absolutely forced premises. They close. The final realization is the absolute nature of reality, and it's not conciousness because conciousness is relative to change. It's not a "nature", it's a reality that arises due the change. A splitting of reality into two planes observing itself Someone could say: thats a materialist conception, reality is conciousness, you are not awake. That are the only arguments that can be said, and imo are too weak

I can't know that I'm creating this experience as god as you said, but is a lion appears, I know that I ve a extremely strong feeling that we call fear, it's a reality that happens . Then I can work in that energetic reality, see what it is, go deep in its nature. but Im not going to think that im god and that because it's just something that anyone said

Not everything is a projection, when I perceive fear In me it's not a projection, it's a reality, a energetic structure. That fear closes.

Then there is duality between reality and illusion. Do you know where this comes from? From the meditative Buddhist tradition. According to it, you have to force the mind to stop, since its movement is an error; it's falsehood. Silence, on the other hand, is truth. This way, you reach a silent state in which you repress the psyche and, with it, suffering. This is normally supported by the idea of reincarnation. Whoever cuts off their mind in this way usually does so in search of a better future, even if they won't admit it, even to themselves: better reincarnation or nirvana (I'm not saying that it's your case). Given the obvious duality of stillness and movement, it is affirmed that movement doesn't exist, and thus the problem is solved. But movement exist. Calling it illusion is meaningless imo

If it's any help, I've had that kind of experience hundreds of times with psychedelics; it's still limited. I hope this doesn't offend you. I'm not dismissing your experience. This is your first experience of profound dissolution. It's almost impossible for it to be total. There is identification with consciousness and a sense of center, of being alone. There is still a subtle remnant of the self. The total dissolution of the self opens the experience and reveals its nature; it is the absolute. There is no loneliness, no dream, nothing. It is absolute, total. All of this here: consciousness, your mother, the universe, and infinite forms. Only as potential. You are not the consciousness of potential, you are the totality, the limitlessness. Think about it. If reality is consciousness, why does consciousness "dream"? Then it's not just consciousness, it's a dreamer. The total rupture of the self-structure reveals the total. keeps breaking until there is no consciousness, no loneliness, nothing left, only the absolute.

It isn't if you really perceive your fear. There's an energetic barrier of enormous force that separates the bad from the good. It's innate. I once took LSD, and at one point, I began to think about something I'd read: Congolese guerrillas forced 8-year-old children to torture their mothers, then kill them and eat their breasts, turning them into murderous psychopaths and slaves. I couldn't escape those images, from the child's perspective, then the mother's, then the guerrilla's, for hours. Then I began to see concentric circles of moaning impaled bodies around an enormous mountain of corpses. I saw all the human pain, the cruelty, the human fragility. It was impossible to escape, and impossible to accept. I was subject to it, but I couldn't accept it. At one point, after many hours, I accepted it, and everything exploded like a soap bubble, and reality completely equalized. It was an act of the heart, an energetic movement. It's not real, not like accepting that you are going to be tortured tomorrow, it's a inner acceptation of what is "bad" in your deep programming. That's meditation, not silence the mind but perceive your energy. It's much more deeper than concept vs silence, it's inside, written in your genes The point is not really accept being tortured, it's perceiving your energetic barriers that take the form of thoughts, preference, fear. See them directly and dissolve it that moment, it's like a game, that's meditation. Your thoughts are an expression of your energetic structure, that structure closes. It's possible to see it and change it. Of course, if tomorrow I'm going to be tortured, I'm going to get absolutely closed and on panic, I just can open those barriers in meditation, they are absolutely real, impossible to break absolutely but you can dissolve them a while

That's a duality between enlightenment and form. A denial of a facet of reality as false in opposition to another as true

How do you know that? It's just a possibility that you assume as true, a belief

It's a symbolic act of surrender. It's like taking a psychedelic trip and releasing a trauma. It's an energetic thing that happens. It's not literal; it's the temporary dissolution of the barrier between what you desire and what you fear. It's deep meditation. You don't literally say those words, but rather you surrender to whatever it is. You open your heart to the "bad" and stop differentiating it from the "good."

Maybe it works for you to get total openess to your nature, maybe for another works dancing salsa. What I mean is , stillness and that is not essentially different than action, could be necessary in some point to change your energetic structure, but it's not enlightenment itself