Breakingthewall

Then there is duality between reality and illusion. Do you know where this comes from? From the meditative Buddhist tradition. According to it, you have to force the mind to stop, since its movement is an error; it's falsehood. Silence, on the other hand, is truth. This way, you reach a silent state in which you repress the psyche and, with it, suffering. This is normally supported by the idea of reincarnation. Whoever cuts off their mind in this way usually does so in search of a better future, even if they won't admit it, even to themselves: better reincarnation or nirvana (I'm not saying that it's your case). Given the obvious duality of stillness and movement, it is affirmed that movement doesn't exist, and thus the problem is solved. But movement exist. Calling it illusion is meaningless imo

If it's any help, I've had that kind of experience hundreds of times with psychedelics; it's still limited. I hope this doesn't offend you. I'm not dismissing your experience. This is your first experience of profound dissolution. It's almost impossible for it to be total. There is identification with consciousness and a sense of center, of being alone. There is still a subtle remnant of the self. The total dissolution of the self opens the experience and reveals its nature; it is the absolute. There is no loneliness, no dream, nothing. It is absolute, total. All of this here: consciousness, your mother, the universe, and infinite forms. Only as potential. You are not the consciousness of potential, you are the totality, the limitlessness. Think about it. If reality is consciousness, why does consciousness "dream"? Then it's not just consciousness, it's a dreamer. The total rupture of the self-structure reveals the total. keeps breaking until there is no consciousness, no loneliness, nothing left, only the absolute.

It isn't if you really perceive your fear. There's an energetic barrier of enormous force that separates the bad from the good. It's innate. I once took LSD, and at one point, I began to think about something I'd read: Congolese guerrillas forced 8-year-old children to torture their mothers, then kill them and eat their breasts, turning them into murderous psychopaths and slaves. I couldn't escape those images, from the child's perspective, then the mother's, then the guerrilla's, for hours. Then I began to see concentric circles of moaning impaled bodies around an enormous mountain of corpses. I saw all the human pain, the cruelty, the human fragility. It was impossible to escape, and impossible to accept. I was subject to it, but I couldn't accept it. At one point, after many hours, I accepted it, and everything exploded like a soap bubble, and reality completely equalized. It was an act of the heart, an energetic movement. It's not real, not like accepting that you are going to be tortured tomorrow, it's a inner acceptation of what is "bad" in your deep programming. That's meditation, not silence the mind but perceive your energy. It's much more deeper than concept vs silence, it's inside, written in your genes The point is not really accept being tortured, it's perceiving your energetic barriers that take the form of thoughts, preference, fear. See them directly and dissolve it that moment, it's like a game, that's meditation. Your thoughts are an expression of your energetic structure, that structure closes. It's possible to see it and change it. Of course, if tomorrow I'm going to be tortured, I'm going to get absolutely closed and on panic, I just can open those barriers in meditation, they are absolutely real, impossible to break absolutely but you can dissolve them a while

That's a duality between enlightenment and form. A denial of a facet of reality as false in opposition to another as true

How do you know that? It's just a possibility that you assume as true, a belief

It's a symbolic act of surrender. It's like taking a psychedelic trip and releasing a trauma. It's an energetic thing that happens. It's not literal; it's the temporary dissolution of the barrier between what you desire and what you fear. It's deep meditation. You don't literally say those words, but rather you surrender to whatever it is. You open your heart to the "bad" and stop differentiating it from the "good."

Maybe it works for you to get total openess to your nature, maybe for another works dancing salsa. What I mean is , stillness and that is not essentially different than action, could be necessary in some point to change your energetic structure, but it's not enlightenment itself

Of course, and that opinion is the key that closes. Look, you read Acim and don't realize you're choosing the good and rejecting the bad? If you want enlightenment, you have to make a difficult move. You have to say with absolute sincerity: Give me pain, give me torture, give me children impaled in front of their mothers. Break my heart and shatter it. I open myself to it. I take the cup and drink its contents to the bottom without hesitation. I surrender myself to crucifixion, to total pain, to total loneliness, to total humiliation, to indescribable torture. But of course, some seconds later I think: no no, please, wtf?? I was joking, no way, I don't want that shit. But you have to accept it in your heart at least for a moment, to be one with the whole. If not you are always two. You don't need to do this move all time, just once, but absolutely true. It's an energetic movement. From an unlimited perspective it's the same being a king or a dwarf selling by his mother to be tortured in a circus of psychopaths. Both are, that's everything. It's difficult to see from the human perspective.

I understand you and I'm going to give you a diagnosis (I'm so smartass that I irritate myself) In that sentence, you've said it all, and your limitations are exposed. Don't take this as an attack; read on. Perhaps there's something revealing here. When you say that absolute being/consciousness is dreaming reality, you are operating from a limited perspective. You perceive the reality of form as a hologram, a mirage, that "consciousness" dreams. something without substance. For you, enlightenment is the perception that this consciousness is permanent. This undoubtedly implies that you haven't opened yourself to the essence of reality. Form is not a dream; it is the inevitable expression of totality, and any form contains totality in the same way that it is contained within it. Truly, any form is totality. Conciousness is just an expression, a possibility that happens , the reality is beyond conciousness and unconsciousness. Absolute reality is a bottomless, boundaryless abyss that is conscious because consciousness arises within it, since its potential has no limitation. But what is is not consciousness. The reality of form is not a tranquil dream of consciousness at play, but the inevitable expression of total depth, a manifest potential that contains totality in its absolute plenitude. The Buddhist perception of form as illusion is a closed perception. It is purely mental, but without the essential openness, which is that of the "heart" in quotation marks, signifying the real substance of reality, its unlimited vitality, its total power. Look, everything that exists as form unfolds in infinite forms; this is absolute life, total glory. Nothing is illusory; everything is real, because the depth of everything is absolute. The depth of a thought encompasses all of reality. Illusion or mirage implies flatness, and that implies limitation. The unlimited lives, and its life is total, because it has no limits.

Then a cat is enlightened?

Could be, I just listened a bit of Ralston and a bit of Sadhguru. I didn't like their approach Well, maybe yes, but above all, it's a constant intuition that you have to open up. Obviously, if you feel depressed and bitter, you look for a way out. But you know you're depressed because you're trapped; you sense it. You don't want to open up to stop being depressed, but because it's a necessary movement, and you also assume it will help with your mental suffering, because closeness is synonymous of mental suffering. The mental suffering is a signal that says: open up, break the barriers until no one remains. If not you will be trapped always and that's very bad business, no way.

Maybe we talk about the same thing, but for me, maybe what's missing here is the realization of what reality really is. Ultimate, total reality is limitlessness. But this is only an idea. Reality isn't knowing that it's limitlessness, but rather being that limitlessness completely, opening yourself completely, temporarily erasing the limits that constitute you in this concrete form to be the "substance", independent of form. Limitlessness isn't a tranquil peace, as the Buddhists say; it's the infinite abyss of absolute potentiality. Let's say that the cause of reality is, is its limitlessness. Limitlessness is equivalent to infinite being, and its vitality, its force, its depth, are limitless. if you open yourself to it completely, you are burned, disintegrated. Only the whole remains, and in the whole, you don't know that you will always exist. "Always" means nothing; it is total, period. Enlightenment is being the total. It can't be described because any description occurs in the total. It cannot be understood either because understanding is only a structure that occurs in it, the same as form. Then you always perceive that reality is this, and always is, but it's veiled by the structure. You "know" as structure, but you aren't totally open, because you are also the structure. The total openess can happen in some moments, some instants. Id say that if you are all time in total openess you will die soon. It's not the natural way to be as a form. The thought always hypnotize if you are closed to the limitless. It's not the thought, it's your energetic structure. The thought is just an expression, an emanation of the totality of the form, an effect that also is a cause. It's Maya if you are maya, it's open if you are open

@Water by the River I summarize the story so you can form an accurate opinion: On the one hand, there are those who accept Advaita Vedanta (neo?) philosophy, and to some extent Buddhism: conceptual thought is maya; reality is direct, without thought. Enlightenment is already the case, but thought veils it. On the other hand, there are those who claim that reality has a source, and that source is God, and enlightenment is realizing god. Since that source is absolute, they are obviously that source. Let's say both are right and both are profoundly wrong. First, true opening is beyond the conceptual. It is penetrating within yourself, dissolving all duality, facing your energetic barriers made of fear and desire, opening them, and becoming one with your total nature. Okay, step 1. Does this mean that conceptual thought is "maya," or rather, that it is the absolute in the form of conceptual thought? 2. The creative source. Obviously, form exists, and obviously, form is relationship. Cause and effect, so the logical thing would be to think that there exists a primordial source that emits form: God. This isn't possible in infinity, since it would be a limit, a center. Centers are infinite; the cause has no origin, therefore, it can be developed infinitely. There is no God, or everything is God. Choose what you like best. Now I say: Let there be reality! And this phrase is infinite, therefore, it reverberates in eternity and creates an infinite chain of cause and effect that gives rise to the totality of form. But of course, any other structure does the same; everything is God, everything is cause and effect. The absolute is not the cause, is the material, the nature of the reality. Not the center, just the unlimited that inevitably allows the infinite forms . There is no beginning or end, no limits in any direction. So, from your personal perspective, what is enlightenment? About what you say about contraction, agree. Openenss is the opposite of the contraction, or better, the absence of contraction

Yes, there are kids that are much more dense than others. Usually that density is perceived as strength. It is in many senses because it's the density needed for survival in hostile environment. . What question? I like a lot talking about this topic, because it touch the ultimate nature of the humans and the reality itself. It's extremely fascinating and nobody is really interested in it, people is interested in profit. Profit could be better feeling, absence of suffering, etc. All that is legit, but if you go for profit, you get stuck. Imo you should go for openess just for the openess, because you want to be what you are without limits. But who knows, maybe other ways can work

I believe that there have been natural mystics like Ramakrishna or Anandamayi Ma (seems so, who knows), people who, due to their genetics and circumstances, have not completely closed themselves off and have lived from the opening. These people usually can't offer a solid, logical explanation for how the mind completely closes in on form because they've always been open. Then there was a rise in spiritual culture. Krishnamurti, Maharshi, etc, which brought fame and privilege. Fertile ground for narcissists. So things are very twisted and complicated, riddled with scams and manipulation mixed with some flashes of authenticity

I use to have a good time almost always. I enjoy living, sleeping, walking on street , working , meeting people, looking the reality, trying to understand, meditating as deep as I can, doing sports, projecting ideas to make money, the hot of the summer, anything. Since I'm not sick and im not in prison there is not big suffering. The main point is learning to don't expect too much of the people, anyone can give what can give, then you can navigate in the world quite good. In fact this world is a very interesting adventure, very complex, trying to understand this reality is a great challenge. Would be different if I have a serious sickness of course, then, let's see.

No, I took a piece of that paragraph and I've looked for uncoherence and pointed them out. It's not a question of knowing more or less, but of detecting what isn't coherent. It's not a question of volume, but of structure.

I'm not seeking wellness, I already live in the civilization of wellness, I'm seeking depth.

That text is from Acim Right? In my opinion, that book is deeply dualistic. It presents a corrupt world that must be redeemed in the eyes of God. Let's see, is this world then independent of God, or even contrary to His will? If you stop to contemplate it, both Christianity and Buddhism have the premise that human reality is flawed, that God is good, and humans are evil. Let's see, life is built on the basis of murder, right? From the first pruricellular organisms, war is served. There's only one rule: survive or die. All living beings invent weapons, fangs, poison, traps to kill. From there, humanity emerges. And should it be... good? How good? Only kill animals? Or plants?

About the topic of the thread. What you said has no relationship with it. Then I thought that you didn't understand it. It was about the self, how the self, the energetic structure that reality creates to function as a human is as real as a stone or a plant. Why is a mistake saying that the ego is an illusion. I know that in Buddhism and neo advaita philosophy it's like dogma, but it's obviously a mistake, a duality. Why the ego is illusion and "the source ' is real? The ego is a form of the source, same than a Galaxy.

You didn't understand what I want to express. if you really have any doubt I'm glad to get deep in the point.

@kbone I can't read you, I perceive a lot of toxicity. If you are hurt that's life, but try to contribute with something positive. Narcissist are also humans but are so difficult, a real test

Translation: I'm enlightened but you aren't. What if we talk about spirituality? What I mean is, we already know that you are enlightened and above everyone and that's great, but in that case would be a privilege to listen what you have to say about everything. It's great that you point again that you are above of the people that have written in this thread, but now that we know that you are enlightened, then, why we can't have the luck of reading your thoughts? It's not usual to find anyone in that level. I'm serious, I want to share ideas and insights with the most high level minds in the world. But if those insights are: I'm enlightened and you aren't, and then mute., seems that it's the same than always: let's say, not so high level

Seems that you need to say I'm lying, I'm not lying in any case here, absolutely zero. It's at will , I decide to go to meditate then most of times it happens. Will means: Im going to do this, then I do. For example, I'm going to go to London , then I buy a plane ticket and I'm going. Anyway, I'd say what you are is obvious, but it's not nice being accused about lying in something serious.

You can be open to the absolute in some extent all time, but as a background, you see that reality is structured in forms, but in deep meditation you can also open yourself completely and stop perceiving form, becoming it. The total light of unlimited reality, total freedom, but it feels like something that burns you, I suppose because I don't have a completely polished energetic structure. It's not something like: Ah, I'm God and I'm doing this and that, but the substance of reality, that is , of you, what it is without filter. It's unlimited and absolute. The fact of having no limits translates into absolute potential, total power, total everything. This burns you, it seems like you are going to get disintegrated