Breakingthewall

No, it's a big difference. When you are a child, you flow freely because your structure is not formed. The substance of reality is free within you. You live, and by living, you know everything: you are. But reality has paths, structures, forms, and you will inevitably create a framework that will contain the vital flow. To contain it, there are energetic and emotional barriers that are innate and impossible to ignore. So, once you are trapped in your prison, as we all are, you can no longer return to the baby state by erasing the self, because the self is there, more solid than a rock. You have to take a step beyond the baby; you have to open yourself to the total. The baby is not open to the total; it flows freely, but at no point does the bottomless that lives open up within it. However, you, as an adult, have to take that step because otherwise your structure will remain exactly as solid, no matter how much you adopt the ideal of no self and try to minimize the self. You can't because you, the one who attempts that, is precisely the self.

It's not the absolute truth because it's an idea, and as such, it is relative. The idea that consciousness can extend eternally is opposed to the idea that it has an end. It is a mental structure that you are creating now. Absolute truth is not an idea; it is the total opening to what you are. It is more of an action than an idea. You are closed in your mind. At a given moment, you fully open your framework, your energetic configuration that defines you, and the whole manifests. Your ultimate nature, the unlimited openness that is the source of flow, and you recognize yourself as the total. Then you return to your structured reality and from there, you think that consciousness will most likely be eternal and all that.

I think that is possible, but extremely difficult. If you place yourself in a perspective in which you are the flow of existence, reality is peace, beauty and glory, but of course, then you find out that your brother has raped your daughter and automatically you are in the human perspective and you cannot get out of it because it is extremely magnetic. I think that if you perceive yourself unlimited you can enjoy life without attachment. Unlimited doesn't mean that you perceive yourself as God, but rather as the incessant becoming, and beyond that, as the ultimate nature of that becoming. But I don't know to what extent it's possible to maintain that perspective when serious problems arise. What is certain is that, as you've said, if you build a life based on attachments, suffering is guaranteed. The human structure will always exist, it is necessary, but I would say that the idea is for it to be a useful structure that allows the greatest possible openness to the substance, the freest possible flow. A closed structure is the one that needs to assert itself, since it takes center stage. You are more the structure than the flow, and in this way you become attached, bitter, full of fear and suffering

Then Einstein has his own experience? Or he hasn't? What solipsism means? If say that means that he hasn't

Sure, I mean the people who have realized that they are in a trap and the anesthesia is going to lead them to hell. So those people read something about enlightenment, and something resonates deeply, an instinct that says: that's it. That's where you should focus. The problem is that then you start reading and getting informed, and well, it's all very mysterious and mystical and neo-Advaita, and since you don't know exactly what the point is, you end up confused, thinking that reality isn't real and that what's real is emptiness, and that if you stop thinking, all your problems will disappear because you're creating them with thought

Absolute truth is what you are. It's the unlimited, and when you are one with the limitlessness you realize that you always have been that, but "knowing" that you are unlimited is not being unlimited, because there are limits that exists by default in human psyche and others that we build . The only way is the dissolution of those barriers and be without barriers. It's subtle because a barrier could be the fact of having an experience. Who is having what? Limits.

I understand your point , But the way I see it, when your psychological structure is anxiety, depression, and suffering, that's when you find the real motivation to break through the barriers, since there's no solution to your suffering. If there were, you'd apply that solution and remain there. So, what we're trying to do is formulate a spirituality that makes it possible for those who aren't suffering to suicidal levels to find the path to openness. What I see is that the existing formulations aren't correct; they fail on multiple points. If we take Sadhguru as an example, he doesn't formulate an ontology to promote openess , but rather says that with the yogic practices he proposes, this can happen. I can't say otherwise because I don't know. but I do believe that, for example, Buddhism or Advaita Vedanta don't point directly toward openness; at the end of their path, there's a wall. Their nonduality is dual. Buddhism proposes emptiness as the ultimate reality, and emptiness is just a form. Advaita tells you that perceived reality is illusory, unreal. This is the most toxic of all, since the unreality of what is perceived implies a higher, real reality. If you internalize this ontology, you're trapped. It's not innocuous, another path that could resonate with you, etc. It's toxic, a closure.

Absolute truth is being unlimited and total. But it's not something you "know" or "perceive," since perceiving, experiencing, and knowing implies a center, a subject, and an object. You have to open yourself up and be it completely.

Your tone is very aggressive. Do you have self-esteem issues? Perhaps you should try real spirituality. But you have to look in the mirror without a mask. Could you?

@Xonas Pitfall the lagnans point is interesting, but there is another possibility, the only possible if you contemplate it: In the absence of limits, any movement will unleash a wave of infinite cause and effect. Therefore, any event, change, or relationship will have infinite causality. You can unfold the events that led to it without end, which means you could claim that the cause of that movement is all of infinite reality. You could say that God is creating it, so to speak. But this doesn't mean that this infinite cause will produce a predetermined effect, since the range of possibilities and subsequent effects is unlimited and therefore indeterminate. The openness to any existing reality is absolute, and therefore it is absolutely impossible to foresee where its future will lead. An infinitesimal change results in an infinite deviation. This is the essence of reality: openness or the absence of limits in all directions. You can see this in Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle: it’s impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a quantum particle at the same time. This is not due to a lack of measurement tools; it is an intrinsic property of reality. The uncertainty principle shows that there is no absolute fixity of states. You cannot simultaneously know the position and momentum of a particle because they are not absolutely defined at the same time. This means that reality is not completely determined at any point: there is always openness, there is always possibility. This implies that reality is neither closed nor fixed. There is no "ultimate framework" from which you can completely reduce reality to deterministic relations. That is, reality has no absolute epistemic limit. And this openness is not only of knowledge, but ontological: reality itself is structured as open possibility.

@zazen Spirituality says: Form is maya, formlessness is real. Therefore, thought and emotions must cease, and so form ceases, and only reality remains. The reality is that there is always form, with or without thought. Formlessness does not exist, since existence is relative change or form. So what is achieved by seeking silence is exchanging a noisy form for a silent one, which is considered formless. That is, one facet of form is nullified in favor of another, when both are essentially the same. Thus, you remain lost in form, closed to the total by denying a facetz

Yes , most of spirituality comes from Buddhism and advaita Vedanta and deny emotions as maya, searching a state of equanimity and peace that they perceive as authentic. Denying a part of human nature they are limiting it, with the result of closure.

Depending of what is truth for you. What is? For me truth is the absolute, that is the unlimited, that is what we are , your ultimate nature. Then I would agree.

According solipsism Einstein never existed, it's only an idea in your mind that you are creating to make this dream more real. If he have existed, he would be "other". Then saying that maybe he awaked is pointless because it would imply another reality separate from yours

I explained you, let's see now: I'm not talking about a "way", there can be many ways, but only one goal. It's for example like saying that the only correct medicine is curing the patient, not making him sick or giving them placebo. Maybe for someone medicine is making people sick and giving them placebo,but it's not correct. It's not medicine. The goal of spirituality is becoming unlimited. This is the starting point. Then, life is spirituality. Any other thing is false spirituality. Then if you set limits, like denying the self , etc , you are in the wrong path, because lack of understanding about what are you trying to do.

Ok then One is unlimited, but unlimited is not something; it is simply the absence of limitations. In the absence of limitations, relative movement arises. change of state in relation to another state, fluctuation. From this, many perspectives appear. “Many,” within limitlessness, means infinite perspectives, all of them interconnected. They are one, seen through infinite perspectives, each relative to the others. So, if you are a perspective, you are relative, a possibility among infinite others. But if you are the absence of limits itself, then you are absolute. The point is: you are always both

I don't remember. I guess that they could be infinite facets of anything

The problem is that they are interconnected ,they are relative to each other. In a total perspective, there is neither one nor many , there is only totality. That is the absolute. The moment you perceive yourself as “one,” you are already in the realm of the relative, because “one” only exists in contrast to “two” or more. Without the possibility of two, there is no “one.” There is only what is: the unlimited. Therefore, one, many, creation, perception, imagination, synchrony, change, movement, and existence are all relative. “Relative” means in relation. The absolute is not a thing beyond the relative , it is the very nature of the relative itself: limitlessness. Thus, the relative occurs in the absolute: an unlimited relational flux. Every relation is form, and every form is dynamic: incessant movement. What relates is absolute being to itself, unfolding infinitely. It is one and many at the same time: separate, as reflected in itself; one, as perfect interconnection. But relative. The absolute is our ultimate nature, the unlimited, and that is not one, nor two, it's total If there are no limits, there can be no deterministic creation, because the relational flow has no predictable direction. Its causes are infinite, and so are its possibilities. This makes it impossible to anticipate its exact trajectory: becoming then is absolute, because it's the unlimited. The form and the limitlessness are one.

All "absolutes" are connected to each other because they are synchronistic; they are cause and effect of one another. The only way for form to exist is through contrast, and the only possible contrast is dynamic, movement. Reality is infinite relationships unfolding without pause, and relationship means relative. What is absolute is the nature of reality; its form is relative. Form and relative are equivalent concepts. The only possible creator is unlimited potential unfolding in synchronistic relationships, without a center, or with infinite centers.

From my perspective there are only two possibilities: limited or unlimited. This doesn't mean that if you break through the limitation and constantly operate without limits, you're a Buddha or something like that. It means that you perceive yourself without limits, as flow and as essence. "Perceiving" is the same as "being", since there are no limits between one and the other. You clearly understand your immortality, since it's absolutely impossible for there to be a limit like death. From this perspective, your perception of everything graduallychanges , becoming fluid and no longer static. You start perceiving the synchronicity in everything. This is how I see it. I suppose there are other ways of seeing it

Maybe I didn't explain well, Let me put it this way: the goal of spirituality is to break through our limited perspective and exist in an unlimited one. When I say an approach is wrong, it's when it claims its perspective is unlimited when it's limited.

It's not an abstraction, I assume you clearly perceive that you exist. And I assume you perceive that your perceived reality is created by mental processes and perceptions, relational structures that occur, creating a, let's say, interface that interacts with an external reality through perceptions and mental and emotional processes. If you're interested in spirituality, as is the case, you've come to the inevitable conclusion that both your inner and outer reality, and the connection between the two, are " the reality." What is this reality? What is its nature? What prevents you from perceiving it? Is it possible to perceive it? What does "perceiving" mean? Perceiving implies duality; it implies that you perceive reality. So, what are you? What do you perceive? It's easy to realize that "perceiving" is only the way in which reality is manifesting, and you are that reality. Erase all dualities, and only total openness remains. You don't perceive it, you are it. You are the absence of limits; the barriers have been broken. Then a complete shift occurs. You stop perceiving reality as conflicting limits, definitions, and timelines, and you perceive it as flow. You perceive yourself as unlimited flow, and the nature of this flow is precisely limitlessness, absolute openness. This absolute openness is the end of lack, and it's also the structural shift in how your psyche functions. It stops functioning as a self-referential structure operating within a limited framework and begins to function as an open flow without barriers. Then your entire reality is profoundly reconfigured. This is the objective of real spirituality.

There are many people who have a broken psychological structure. For example, me. As I see it, this is caused, among other things, by weak parents. Weak parents can be narcissistic, addicted, abusive, suicidal, depressed, etc. When this is your reality, your psyche automatically covers this up in order to survive as a functioning human. This is the main objective of the psyche when it's forming. Once this structure solidifies, it constantly vibrates with an anxious vibration, since it's not aligned with reality. This is massive today. There are countless approaches to fix, improve, and ease this constant suffering, but in my experience, nothing really works. Because once your structure is broken at the core of your psyche, there is a lack. This is dangerous; it can lead to toxic relationships, addictions, and general misery, even to hellish levels. In my experience, there is only one real solution: the complete rupture of your psychological structure and its opening to your total nature. Once opened, it progressively restructures itself, changing completely. It's not something subtle or light, but total. A progressive equalization begins, an alignment of your structural lines with the flow of reality, becoming more and more precise, which progressively decreases anxiety and opens your perspective without limits

And how can spirituality point toward well-being? I mean, spirituality by definition is the opening to what is, so how would you know that this is the cessation of suffering? What seeks well being would be self help or psychology, it's not wrong, but it's different matter . I don't say that spirituality doesn't lead to well being, but that you can't know it until you open yourself to the absolute.

I will answer again, let's see , the simplest possible: if spirituality doesn't aim to the openess to your absolute nature, it's wrong spirituality . I said the same before but with examples. I'm sorry if you don't like. if you got it, if you don't agree, just tell why