Breakingthewall

Then, where is the mistake? I was just talking about the term consciousness. I hope it doesn't make you angry . You are so strict. How to make you happy? I'm getting anxious.

I think that you don't understand what I'm saying, then maybe you could avoid those judgements , but anyway....do as you want

Salvia is absolutely logical in a different logic. Reality is logical. It's one thing to be open to vitality, to the source of this living moment, and another to understand the becoming. Spirituality tells you that you can't understand because everything is an illusion, but that's irrelevant; call it an illusion if you want, but it's an absolutely logical illusion. Everything is logical, because logic means relationship, and reality is relationship, and relationship is change

Im saying that existence is change and change produces change, then any change comes from change.

I look around and see constant change; every movement produces another movement. Therefore, it is absolutely true that every movement comes from another movement. The human mind understands causality and creates the timeline. The fact that it is always now does not mean that this now does not come from another now that is not now, but was. Time is the mental representation of the causality

Easy, the present exist, what create the present if not the past? I can't avoid the sarcasm given certain arguments that are taken for granted in spirituality, but it is true that this is not the way

Everything that appears is caused by relationships. Every relationship is caused by another relationship. Even the slightest quantum vibration is caused by another relationship, which in turn is caused by another, never reaching a beginning or an end. Therefore, everything that appears is a product of the past and moves toward the future. The past is the cause, the future the consequence. Yes, in self-help they say that the past is imaginary, since you are imagining it. Where is it? Can you touch it? No? That means it doesn't exist!! Ta-da! Immediate Nobel Prize for the gentleman!!! But no, things aren't like that, although for certain minds it sounds seductive that everything is simpler.

If emptiness is appearing as a conditioned self, first, it's not empty because it's doing things, and second, there is a conditioned self. If you like to define it as "emptiness", it's your choice. My car is not a car , It's a set of vibrations of quantum fields that aren't really things, but rather possibilities that synchronize. But it's still a car.

Vivekananda said: If Brahman is real, the world must also be real, because the world is Brahman manifested Great (and obvious btw, those ideas about illusion.....)

Interesting. But maybe more than a religion, it will be something like honoring his memory and drawing inspiration from him to reach or approach his level of mystical openness, not a religious worldview with a defined structure.

Just my view: All true mystics speak the same language, but there are few true mystics. In Islam, the purest is al-Hallaj, who was tortured and crucified by the Iranian Islamic authorities. Others, like Rumi and Ibn Arabi, were more intelligent and did not directly challenge the religion. Among Christians, the main ones are Christ and Meister Eckhart; in India, Tagore and Ramakrishna and others were authentic mystics. But be careful, Sadguru I'd say is not a real mystic(well who really knows), nor is Krishnamurti. There is a line that separates the sage from the mystic. The mystic is open to the living energy of reality, is absolutely pure and at the same time alive, passionate. Like Ramakrishna or Anandamayi ma, but not like Ramana Maharshi or most Buddhist . Then, is it possible doing a religion Based on Ramakrishna? Possible, but extraordinarily difficult. Ramakrishna is the living heart of reality, the opening to the unfathomable from a human perspective. What would that religion preach? That you be like Anandamayi Ma? In constant mystical ecstasy? It's not something you can do, nor does it depend on certain behaviors. Jesus tells you: love. Can you love everything? Existence itself? Your enemies? Then they change the religion and said: don't kill. Well, it's easier, but deeply Christians know that Christianity, really, says: be Christ, and this is almost impossible. In other hand the religion of Muhammad is much easier: obey. Submit, and you will be rewarded. That's why it's so successful.

The idea that consciousness is the foundation of reality has a fundamental flaw. Let's see, consciousness is being aware, right? So, if consciousness does things, like creating universes, then it's not consciousness, it's something that creates universes. You can call it X, but it's not consciousness.

I don't think so. What happened was that the tyrannical dogmatism of the Church was transcended, allowing minds to open to new possibilities. A large majority remained Christian; many great scientists were and are Christians. Christianity isn't ridiculed; the Church is, and that's a positive thing. In the Islamic world, it's more difficult because they kill you even for one design of Muhammad. Here the Inquisition used to do the same thing here, but thankfully that was left behind centuries ago. If someone is so biased and full of rage, their entire message is biased. It's worthless to me. You say he converted to Islam. It seems he needed someone to give him firm certainties. I hope that makes him feel better about life, more secure. The Islam also claim to be universal and the only way that avoid the hell. They never did that, They studied Eastern spirituality and venerated Eastern figures such as Osho, Krishnamurti, Tagore, Ramakrishna, Rumi, yogananda and many others. I don't know why this guy says that this is unrespectful. He's very angry, maybe some private issues, I don't know. Islam cannot impose Sharia law directly. Not even in Turkey is that possible, despite having a clearly Islamist government. The idea is to gradually spread Islam as far as possible. Islam is expansionist; it absolutely rejects any other religion. It tolerates coexistence but considers it inferior, false. Do you think Muslims can be open to Eastern philosophies, different ideas? It's forbidden; they would go to hell and have molten lead poured down their throats, just like all non-Muslims and their impure prostitutes. Let's see what happens with that people in London and America, it's interesting.

Reality manifests possibilities because it's impossible not to, as it has no limits. It is total expansion; everything that is possible, is. But at the same time, it is total intelligence; everything that is is synchronized to infinite power with the totality, because otherwise it's impossible. This doesn't mean there's a benevolent god who, in his goodness, provoked the Nanking Massacre by having the Japanese gang-rape girls in front of their parents and then burn them alive with gasoline. It's that in the infinite synchronicity of the infinite cycles of creation and destruction, that's what fit perfectly. From an infinite perspective, it's only a vibration, a movement that occurs within perfect expansion, the jewel of absolute living perfection that is infinite manifestation, the infinite fractal of unfathomable depth. If you only open your eyes a millimeter to its glory, your mind will be vaporized, scorched, and your heart will open without reservation. But of course, afterward, your human bias will close your eyes again.

@Ishanga I don't mean wars and all that, but to the understanding that your energetic structure is given to you by previous generations. If you don't understand how the environment you live in has shaped you, the depth of your inherited structure, you'll never be able to open it up. Spirituality tends to oversimplify. Tolle tells you that for a zebra there is no time, it's always now. The problem is, you're not a zebra. You can't transcend the ego by realizing it's not real for the simple reason that it is real. It's an energetic structure forged over eons. People usually get into spirituality because that structure is dissonant, unbearable, and spirituality tells them that this structure is illusory, that they should live in the present. But it never works. They're always one step away from achieving it. They almost have it. Almost. But at the end their emotional structure always catch them again and again, but as they would like that the idea of the illusion is real, they pretend that they are there, almost. Just narcissism, evasion. Listen the op, his vibration. Do you feel depth or comparison? Real understanding or evasion? Love , or contempt? Is a good example

All of this is not so simple. Spiritual gurus tell you that everything is your responsibility, and in a certain way it's correct, but the reality is that a human being is interconnected with the human collective and with life itself. If what surrounds you is alienation, madness, and violence, if your emotions have been repression, fear, hatred, confusion, narcissism, madness, disconnection, for years, your energetic structure will have been built in a certain way, and that structure is entirely real. You're not going to change it by realizing " you're not real" and engaging in those psychotic delusions. You have to undertake an inner journey of conquest as serious, challenging, and intelligent as any human endeavor. Look for example that guy. He will tell you: I have not arms , not legs and I'm happy, why are you not happy? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMnMxLLgSbw/?igsh=MW50anhxbDZnYmE4MA== I could answer him: how were your parents? How was your environment? They loved and empowered you, or maybe they were methamphetamine addicted how prostitute you for 5 $? Because in the second case, the thing gets bit, let's say, twisted. Humans are tribal, don't try to make simple what is not simple at all. Lack of love, acceptation, ground, is harder that lack of arms for a human. Let's understand what means being human, we are built by other humans. We are not islands, we are a totally interconnected. Trying to avoid this fact is dead end road.

The word "search" isn't quite right, since you're not looking for something; you're trying to remove the veils that prevent you from perceiving yourself. It's an action of rearranging, cleansing, removing, not searching. You need to synchronize your energetic structure so that it ceases to be clouded. If you search, the act of searching implies something external, and therefore, more cloudiness. On the other hand, when people say that no one achieves enlightenment, it's misleading and false. Yes, someone does achieve it: the human being called X who tries to align their emotional structure to allow for openness. To say that this human isn't real is absurd; it's something people say to appear superior. They're just irritating narcissists who want to pretend they know something you don't, that they're in another category, level, status. To say that reality isn't real is a concept, a category of human language, a comparative structure. Enlightenment is stepping outside of that structure; from a state of openness, there isn't one or two, real or unreal, there is only openness to the unlimited. All that stuff about: "You're not real!" Tadah!. belongs to the mental structure; a squid can't articulate it, and its essence is exactly the same as yours, the unlimited.

You could use just one label: it's an expression of the reality. You could use that label for everything.

Happiness doesn't depend on any of that; it's all illusions, houses of cards that can collapse at any moment. Financial security, personal fulfillment, a successful life path, all of that is utterly fragile. One second, and it's all shattered. The only possible happiness is being who you are, being one with your nature, and to achieve that, you must make all those human expectations faint, secondary, transparent. Look to this guy, seems very happy right? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNfC_QlxPta/?igsh=MWMwcDh5enFobzFodg==

Solid way of thinking. Without self-deception, excuses, or preconceived notions. Sharp. That's the only possible path to true openness. In my opinion, being "enlightened" is almost impossible for Westerners with desires and ambitions we don't want to relinquish. Look, I really don't want to give up material things, even knowing that the possibility of being enlightened like Buddha exists. It doesn't matter to me; my human existence demands its share. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. But what is possible is having moments of total openness. Imagine entering deep meditation. Silence, total absence of desires, of mental noise. Okay, so what? Is that enlightenment? No, not at all. If you observe, you'll see it's a dull, empty state. It's closed. Closed how? Closed to what? Closed to the living energy that is creating this reality, that is, to what you are. Right now, one thousand quadrillion to the nth power subatomic particles created by vibrations of the fields of reality (whatever wtf that means) are vibrating in perfect coordination so that you can be. And each of those vibrations is in perfect coordination with the cosmos, with the space-time fabric of the universe, and probably with an infinite network of multiverses. This is not fantasy; it is reality, and this reality that we are can be perceived directly. Meditation doesn't have to be empty silence, but living boundlessness. You can open your mind to it, be one with it; it is the absence of limits that lives, because it has no limits. It is absolute energy, total glory, infinite freedom. Where it makes no difference whether you are terminally ill, condemned to life imprisonment, or a millionaire. They are like garments that the total wears. The total is total. It has no limits; its power is absolute. Your mind is vaporized, and the total opens. This is possible. Just break the barrier that closes.

Then who's writing this? Nobody!. Well, that enlightenment is lets say, twisted, nihilistic, I don't understand the point Because look, "void" is just a concept that is happening in the human experience, means "absence of everything", so, if you, and as enlightened avatar, say: the reality is void. It implies that you have in your mind the "full", because without the full the void is impossible. If you have the "full" in your mind means that your mind is full, so where is the void, if it's full of the idea "full"? What a mess right? Enlightenment has zero relationship with the realization that there is nobody, because nobody is just the opposite of somebody. Enlightenment is the realization of your absolute nature. Look, as you can perceive, and experience is happening. With a lot of sensations, feelings, movement, colors and that. You can call it "nothing" or "steak" but it is. Then, what is that? What is the essence, the core, the true nature, of this? The openess to that nature is enlightenment, not realize that there is nobody, because who realizes that is "somebody" . Who gets enlightenment is precisely somebody: the human energetic structure. It's a reality that is happening, and that reality can realize what is it's deepest, ultimate nature, or not. Then that structure, the self, can be one with its ultimate nature. But look, without this structure, there is not enlightenment, because the absolute without form is nothing, is not happening. But of course, nothing essentially is the same than something: limitless. But always there is something, just because something is change, and absence of change doesn't happen. It's quite simple. What is not so simple is breaking the energetic barrier that keep us locked and open ourselves to the totality. It's a maze.

No man, we are closed due to the energetic blockage of a thousand generations: competition, struggle, classes, war, oppression, slavery, alienation from the source, from essence, from reality. The energetic barriers that oppress us are more than educational inheritance; they are imprinted in our cells, in our vibration, from the moment we are born surrounded by the vibration of fear, separation, avoidance, narcissism, and madness. Opening to reality is not a trivial movement; it is a conquest. It's much more than it seems. You have to break yourself and born again, change the tendency of thousands of generations, change your linage and your genetic by your will. Sounds impossible, but it isn't.

Being enlightened in not being dead, is being one with life.

This guy seems enlightened https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN8GLJjDBtX/?igsh=b3U0ZzV0bTlsdzdw Connected with the source

Consciousness has multiple layers or phases. It could be said that these layers open up as energetic barriers dissolve. For example, you might perceive reality as comparative evaluation, and this closes you off from perceiving deeper structures. It's not that comparative evaluation is false, illusory, or unreal, but rather that it's a layer of reality to which you attach enormous importance due to your structural programming, and this attachment causes you to close off other layers of reality. At a certain moment, you dissolve that energetic barrier, and a new panorama opens before you. You clearly perceive the interconnectivity of reality , the cause-and-effect relationships that expand through every interaction, vibration, and movement. Reality is perceived as a living flow of relations with a kind of meaning , whether it’s survival, love, reproduction, or whatever else. But attachment to that meaning closes you off from other phases of reality. If at some point you dissolve it , for example, with a psychedelic or deep meditation , reality can take on another dimension, another depth. You truly see the hardware: the infinity of interconnected structures creating logical patterns beyond any meaning, simply the inevitability of reality reflecting itself. If you can endure this without needing to cling to any meaning, then reality can once again shift phase and open to its ultimate essence, stripped of all attributes or form , absolute openness, the limitless. The problem is that you are either open to that total nature right now, or you are not. It’s not something that can be remembered or known. You can be open to it, and a minute later closed again , and any memory of it will be just that, a memory. It belongs to another dimension of consciousness, and therefore it cannot capture a different dimension. No matter how hard it tries, it will always remain what it is.