Breakingthewall

Reality is not a "thing" , it's limitlessness. It's absolutely totally impossible to define or grasp it. It's quite obvious, any "thing", even something apparently unlimited like "conciousness" is limited. But anyway, maybe there are many ways to understand

I don't think that the identification of the reality with the idea of conciousness is enlightenment, in fact I'm sure about it. But maybe you don't mean exactly that. Enlightenment is the openess to your true nature, and can't be named, because it's everything. Conciousness is just an aspect, possiblity, facet of the reality, at least how i understand the word "conciousness" You can't say that the reality is conciousness because you don't know what is conciousness to the other person, for you it's an idea maybe for me another, but one thing is sure, the reality is beyond any definition, it's open

Sounds good, then enlightenment is the identification of the reality with the idea: conciousness. Not easy but not impossible

An insight is when a door opens in your mind and what was previously hidden becomes obvious.

Well but that's not being dishonest, just straight. Anyway, ethics depends of yourself, I did a lot of things that could seem very wrong but for me weren't, and others than seemed ok I saw them wrong....just your inner voice. Probably Hitler felt that he was totally honest and straight

Business are personal relationships. Exactly the same, at least for me.

I act as my perception tells me to do. For example, I wouldn't betray a partner, or a real friend; my perception tells me that would send me to hell. I've always been guided by pure intuition, so I don't need to think about it too much. If my perception tells me something, I obey. As I see everything very clear , there is no doubt. Sometimes I acted against my perception, and the consequences absolutely always were bad for me and sometimes really heavy. I think that in some moment maybe I could choose die than act wrong because my perception tells me that the game doesn't finish in this dimension, but who knows what anyone would do in extreme circumstances I know that this is not selfless attitude, it's selfish

Realize that existence is absolutely logical. First understand what logic means. Means relationship, that implies coherence. Existence and coherence are a tautology. Everything that exists is a manifestation of reality, and the only possible manifestation is through relationship. Without relationship, there is no manifestation, or existence, or becoming. Any relationship can unfold into infinite cause-and-effect relationships. If you transcend relationships, you open the door to absolute reality, to the substance of relationships. Then you return to relationships and see how they unfold synchronously and perfectly in a dance of total beauty.

I would also return it, but for a completely selfish reason. I can see when the balance is broken. In every relationship, there must be balance; everything must be clean, balanced, and transparent. Every lie, every dishonest action creates a butterfly effect that makes your reality more murky. It's not a belief, it's clear perception. So, if I keep that money, I know I'm doing something stupid, wrong, that will play against me. But if the situation were desperate, then the perception of balance would be different. It depends of the circumstance

I think you're exaggerating. All countries that have had power have been extremely evil. We'll see what happens when the Chinese take the lead. For now, they say they're absolutely pacifist, but in the Sudan war, much more terrible than the one in Gaza, they sell weapons to both sides, greatly increasing the suffering of civilians for economic gain. Does this sound familiar?

Great, something interesting. Agree , most of spirituality is evasion, that's what I'm trying to point when I said the the self is real. It's real as a self, same than the body is real, they are energetic structures that exists. Current spirituality is seductive because it denies the self as nonexistent, an illusion. You stop thinking, and that's it, there is no self. This is false. The energetic/emotional structures created in any human are genetically encoded and are built according to life circumstances, just as a plant grows according to its environment, but based on its genetics. Entering into spirituality to deny the self, see Nisgardatta or all neo-Advaita, does not work; it is evasion and spiritual ego. I just try to have conversations about spirituality without putting the ego as a main character. If I say that I think that Huang PO is basically wrong, you could try to explain why I'm wrong, but if you say that I'm ridiculous telling that about a master that millons accept and I do that because I need my mother or other nonsense, then you are putting your ego and your emotions in front. It's absolutely legitimate to analyze and point the mistakes of any master, if not you are someone without criteria who follows the mass. Then spirituality is closed , and as we want to open our frame, it's legit to say that nisgardatta was wrong in the most that he said and people worship him because his charisma, to put an example. If you are not agree, your arguments against are welcome, but if you say that I don't believe nisgardatta because my wounded ego, it's just a projection.

Seems that you didn't read. Let's repeat: I can stop the mind easy because I did a lot of meditation, I can go walking in the street and stop thinking, and if I do sit meditation, more easy. I already told you in the previous post, but if you didn't read, let's see if now you do. Then, I easily perceive that under the layer of the structured thought there are many layers of closure, innate structures that build the human psyche, there is where the real meditation starts, when you see what you are. Then , let's see if this time you get my idea: the thoughts are just a consequence, stopping thinking is not the real deal , it's just superficial. I'm telling it because I did meditation and psychedelics for years. Anyway, let's stop those conversations, if you can't do a real conversation , do your thing to feel good.

Even he didn't smoke it's obvious that he operates from a closed frame and tried to seduce and appear interesting I think it's very easy stop thinking, if you use to meditate you can stop the thoughts easily. If you really trascend the conceptual level you would perceive that there are many levels in the psyche, they are in your cells, energetic structures absolutely real and very strong. The real work starts here, when you see beyond the conceptual. The conceptual is just the surface.

The question would be: if you find a wallet with 5k , you would call the owner or not? If you would do, why exactly?

I understand your point, since he's famous, it's crazy that I dare to say he's wrong. That's why you smile. It's good that he smoked 80 cigarettes per day, it shows he was enlightened Then action is not love? Or thoughts? Aren't they love?

Humans are social beings, without the hive we are nothing, language and conceptual thought comes from the relationship with others. A human is a part, then solitude use to be sad except for some people very special and not necessarily spiritual.

Nisgardetta is interesting but very vague, limited, and frustrating. It completely denies form and self as nonexistent. Mystics who claim that the reality of form doesn't exist are very toxic; they instill in people's minds ideas that close their minds. Look for example that quote, it's designed to sounds great, to sell. It's meaningless. Nisgardatta was a guy with some natural openness, charismatic but swallow. And a compulsive smoker. Someone who needs intoxicating his body all time operates from the lack. But maybe you think that this is just a thought? Who has that purpose? Why there is a purpose? A purpose implies intention to achieve a goal, then implies lack, because it's done to get something that you lack.

When the mind is empty of thought many things can be there, fear, lack, sadness, desire. The real barriers are energetic not just conceptual thought. It's not difficult empty the mind if you use to do meditation I didn't use the word infinity. Ok, then, when your mind is empty and you are enlightened as you said, what is the reality? Try to explain it

Yours aren't beliefs? Seems that your goal is disempower the others to empower yourself. So, the other guy shouldn't believe what he said because are beliefs but he should believe what you said because are truths? Where is the difference?

Exactly, the experience is the only thing that exists because experience=existence. But the reality, the absolute, is the nature of the existence. Existence or experience is the movement of the reality. It's always existence because non existence doesn't exist, but the absolute is the nature of the existence not the existence itself. The existence is movement, becoming. Do you see what I mean? Imo is absolutely essential to see that point to free the mind

I think it's better don't use word to define the absolute, but if we have to use some it's better to use words that are open. Anyway the point in spirituality is understanding what closes and understand that the push has to be towards openenss and dissolution What I see is that in modern spirituality the word conciousness is used as sinonimous of absolute reality and it's extremely confusing because conciousness points to a relative idea, being concious of. If you start with a confusing base then everything grows is confusion

You could say open, bottomless, alive, truth, total, everything, limitless, you. But conciousness is like....closed. Anyway it's just the effect that the word conciousness makes in my mental structure, like limited

A psychedelic can help you do it, not do it. To do that, you must be willing to dissolve into reality, an act of true surrender. The only way to see the absolute is to be the absolute. You can't see it from the outside, so you must let your human structure disappear completely and be one with the total. If deep down you don't want to, you'll grab onto something and think you're watching and understanding from the sidelines, but you won't, because there will be duality. It doesn't matter if you take half a kilo of 5 meo, if your inner will is to resist, you will resist. You could read a Sufi named al Hallaj, I discovered him 2 days ago and I think he points to the absolute better than no one

Sure, because although everything you've said is true, they are positive properties that define "something," and therefore close the doors of your perception. The absolute total can only have a negative definition: limitlessness. Or redundant: absolute total. What is sought is the total rupture of the human structure to achieve total openness to the absolute. The rupture must be TOTAL ,leaving nothing behind. Consciousness, intelligence, whatever, are structural frameworks of the human mind. They are not false; they are structures, and structure is synonymous with limit. They seem like open, unlimited structures, but they are not. It is extremely subtle. It is not about having a debate to define what reality is, but about adopting the energetic vibration that allows for openness. It is a fact, not a definition.

Let's see, without change, is there consciousness? You will see that if there is no change, there is no time, there is no becoming, there is no experience, so there is no consciousness. So, for consciousness to exist, change is necessary. Change is always the case, since the absence of change doesn't occur; it's "no happening." But this is not the point, it's what is fundamental . I think it's pretty obvious that both consciousness and experience are expressions of the absolute. The absolute is the source of consciousness and change, where both occur, what allows infinite change and infinite conciousness happen due the limitlessness. And the absolute is you, you could call it God, and in you, experience and consciousness always occur Don't you see it?? It's clear!