Breakingthewall

You can't refute that argument so from that angle it's true. is the only disconcerting point when you realize that everything is one. because I only have access to my experience? the solipist vision solves it, but it seems to me that it is not true necessarily, it's like a logical solution and reality don't need to be logic. And seems obvious that you have your pov. Can be an illusion, i know, but you can't say it's sure it doesn't exist, you just can say: i can't prove there are many povs. the only thing you can affirm is: existence is

many times i have collapsed my pov and unity has manifested. only I exist, but it is not me, I am the formless existence. the other pov's are nothing, neither is mine, everything is one. then you go back to pov and form. but I don't think my pov is the only one. It is true that the others are a creation of my mind, and I am a creation of his for them, and we are all the same when the povs collapse, but why can't there be many apparent povs simultaneously? They say no because there is only one conscience and there can be nothing outside of it and that is why there can only be one pov, but that seems like a very ego logic, doesn't it?

that is ego and nothing else. It has no relevance, as much as saying, I am Japanese. The problem is that egoic ideas are promoted here and they are called being awake. to be awake is to go beyond ideas. then you can try to explain it, but not in such a concrete way, since words and concepts do not do justice, reality is much deeper and richer

maybe if you keep dividing the particles, you get to a point where they're made of nothing. they are only the relationship of something with another thing, without this relationship, they do not exist, so you could say that they are just an idea

@Someone here Why is it so important to be awake to know that there are no other points of view? where would be the difference if there was? for me awakening is to transcend the ego, and to think: "there are no others" or "yes, there are others" or "I am god" is ego. Be awaken is an state no to know something. maybe or that the true mystics almost never talked about god or concrete things

but you will, in this life, probably, or when what you call "body" or "life" dissolves into nothing

No, what you think you are is nothing more than a very elaborate idea. you will be free from it. what you really are is very different, it has no form. you could call it nothing, but it exists

what you call mind is the self. the self is an entity formed by your interaction with others. by doing this, using language, we create a mental world, which helps us function as a hive. This mental world is pure imagination, but for us humans, it is much more real than the physical world. the mind is all that movie of attachments, rejections, desires, memories, that makes up "you". that's you, an idea. and that is your mind, a mirage. If you manage to reach the silence for a minute you will see. you will be free

@Inliytened1 get deeper into , since it is not a video game for children to have fun, it is god, of unfathomable depth, full of purpose

Great to read something profound in this forum. Thanks for posting suffering exists and it is enormous. suffering brings god closer because its god. In a hedonistic world, people do not want to hear this, they try to eliminate the idea of suffering, implying that those who suffer do so because they want to. reality is terrible, and the terrible is beauty and is god. jesus on the cross is god

@Someone here had a real awakening or not? unknown. what is certain is that he is a man of integrity, so with time we will know if this is real. If so, congratulations for getting out of the maze

friend, I think you are wrong. the dreams of the night are the dreams of the ego, reality is the dream of god. Others have minds, just like you. god imagine all the pov at once, or do you think he can't? is almost omnipotent? only create the front part of the kangaroos? Be careful, if you follow that line of thought, maybe your ambition is to go to clubs to look for sex and charge a thousand to naive boys and poof! Magic! you have become a zen demon who believes that is enlightened I'm done about solipsism

how did you come to that conclusion? Why do you explain anything to me then? you and me collapsed into one, but apparently we are two, with two pov

Well said. but if I go with you to have a beer, all this is happening in my imagination, yes, but at the same time, that person in front of me is having an experience, just like me, even though we are both the same. the video says no, that person is nothing more than a mindless cartoon and two different apparent experiences are occurring at the same time

Yes , but above all it explains that everything that exists is my particular point of view as an ego, that's what the video is about.

then we understood something different. in the video it is explained that you, as an ego, are the only thing that exists, since everything is like a video game and the people you interact with are just a special effect created because you get bored. btw, do you trust what you saw in an awakening, and accept it as real? I only accept as real what I am perceiving right now, not images of a past awakening. there are many awakenings, they are experiences. but the enlightenment is actual, now

Yes, ok, what has always been said, that we are one with many points of view that interact with each other. Have you seen the video?

agree. nothing is as important as awakening. on the other hand, yesterday I saw the video... in my opinion a superficial and meaningless talk. my theory is that leo has done it to provoke a reaction, perhaps to induce awakening in some way that I don't understand. @Someone here solipsism is not the truth man, the truth is to dissolve the walls of the ego and be the infinity that you are, it's not an idea or concept, it's real. If that happened to you induced by that video (i think it's possible), congratulations to you and leo

putin's motivation is becoming more and more obvious, he does not want missiles minutes from moscow and he does not want a country that has in its orogram to recover crimea in nato. he is not a demon or a madman. He has taken a very risky blow, we will see how it turns out. the reality is that he did not want to bow down to the aggressive nato. sad for the ukrainians, but this can end quickly and with little pain, far from iraq or libya. my bet is that putin will come out stronger

really the position of leo is difficult to understand. I just watched half of the video, and I don't understand what he wants. So God can only perceive a single bubble. it is omnipotent except for that. and rather lazy, he does all sorts of tricks to be efficient and save effort. I am sure there is some intention in putting forward this vision, but I cannot see it. Sounds to me like some kind of psychotic delusion. but I think it is possible that it induces some kind of awakening in some people. or a psychotic break.

I understand that. I just wanted to understand the nuance that makes it say here "rupert spira is not awake because he admits the existence of other minds"

Agree , but we are not talking about that, we are talking about: are there infinite bubbles of apparent illusion occurring, or just one? ok that none is real, but being unreal, do others have their own apparent perception or do I only have it? according to leo, only me, according to rupert spira or bashar, many. I have done 5 meo and I have seen: the entire cosmos is my perception, there is nothing else. but is this real because I have seen it doing 5 meo? for me it is not relevant, could be a misunderstanding I don't do 5meo to understand, I do it to loosen the walls of the ego, and understand while sober, in meditation

the form is empty because the forms are ideas made of nothing and it is you, with your mind, who creates the distinctions and establishes the limits. if the limits dissolve, the infinity remains empty. the empty infinity is "you", but you are not alone since it is not you, you are the empty infinity. but being empty is pure joy, love, intelligence, and that you are, but completely impersonal, nothing with which "you" can identify. you are that, but that erases any trace of you

sorry for repeating it 10 times, but that's not the solipism leo is talking about. he says that your current bubble of perception is the only reality that exists and that there are no others. I think it's important to be clear. You may or may not agree, but he does not say that the mind of God is the only one and that all other minds are illusion. That's what all the masters of non-duality say. He says that the cosmos is the screen I'm looking at and nothing else exists. and he also says that the deeper he goes, he finds an almost unbearable loneliness.

It's not two provinces, it's being defeated by someone using force. but I agree, it would be better to give in and seek the defeat of the adversary by a slow economic death. total suffocation until they call free elections. this war would be very cruel too and not easy at all