Breakingthewall

Osho or sadhguru don't try to make you to realize what you are. they try to make you happier, more functional, a better person. It's a good goal, but it's very different

Leo gura is the only person in the world who teaches how to realize what you are. without psychedelics it is practically impossible to realize. What's more, without 5 meo dmt, it's almost impossible to do. really, it is a very complicated matter, the person is a giant barrier, you can read all the books on spirituality 1000 times that you will not succeed. you need magic

@Rahra maybe, but without psychedelics it would have been impossible for me to realize this. it's a complete change of perspective, like turning a sock inside out. The difficulty is in how we are designed: as a perceiver that receives information from the outside. this makes all our mental pathways work that way. They can tell you a thousand times that spirituality is looking inside yourself that you will not understand. there is only inside. outside is not a possibility. the outside is the illusion. you are absolute. from here, begins the true understanding of what we are.

this is what people think spirituality is. Almost no one understands that spirituality is the understanding of reality. From his point of view, everything he says is justified, and many people will share his pov, especially if they hear leo say things about alien rats. only few will see the total sincerity in him. It's like a cutting line, most will stand aside, a few will understand

The problem with Leo and his teachings is that no one understands him, and everything is misinterpreted. Those who follow him the most are people interested in improving their lives, not in the truth. Well, it's just that almost everyone is interested in that. very few actually do not even understand that it is a possibility. They just want to suffer less and be happier. That's what we humans are, petty little animals. but hey, at least there is one person in the world who teaches this. If one day you understand it, you will be extremely surprised.

No problems with that.

there are people who do not need healing but who want to delve into reality. healing is very social, all the wounds come from the other. There comes a time when there is no other or wounds, it is time to go deep. So yes, I would say there are two categories of spirituality.

God is not alone, it is unfathomable, it loves himself, he dances with himself infinitely. and there is always more to dig deeper, it never ends. the others are aspects of god, facets of god. everything apparent is that. everything is illusion but truly, everything is real. God is not a video projector that makes movies because it is bored. God is the infinite dancing with itself. His dance has love as its end, making love, and everything that exists comes from it. This is not a story that God creates for fun. It is a wonderful, intricate, cosmic dance, consisting of love flowing, intertwining, creating art.

You talk about different things, that's why you don't agree. Some speak of healing, for which the group is useful, and other of transcendence and God, for which the group is an obstacle.

@halfknots interesting. maybe do a test. I will surely do it in the future. For vaping I use 100ml flasks, with a cork with a metal stem inside for aspiration. quite effective

really? how is that? Although for me for now 5 meo is more than enough. It's amazing what this substance can do, I intend to go as deep as possible with it.

Yeah, I think from now on I can really go deeper every time. This time I have really understood. what I am. I am aware right now. If it weren't for the fact that I have a work trip tomorrow, I would continue. Another thing that I have learned: from now on my trips will be at night. the day is a great distraction

most people think so. from that point of view, the psychedelic experience is false, since it distorts reality. they consider themselves receivers who try to capture the external objective reality in the most precise way possible. they are completely wrong. there is no outside. reality is them. As long as they cannot see this, all they will do is widen the gap of their error. Until you realize that reality, you are deceived. When you realize that you are the reality and there is not outside, the real exploration starts

imo experiences are not false or true, they are experiences and that's it. It could be said that they are all true. the matter is: infinity. How far can you be open to infinity? Do psychedelics help you to this, to dissolve the limits? for this you need understanding. what you understand is not true or false in a conceptual sense, it is useful to dissolve the limits or it is not. deep understanding is not conceptual, it is the understanding of yourself from yourself, there is no doubt of its veracity because it opens you up.

it depends enormously. When I was 15 years old I smoked and everything was wonderful, later an unpleasant mental paranoia, ideas and more ideas about anything, so I quit, now I take two puffs and it may be that I stay mentally, or that there is an opening. more and more the second, but not consistent, fluctuates with staying in the mind analyzing, which is sterile and unpleasant. I guess it basically depends on your level of purity

4 in the morning, again. I'm a fucking sick, i know. I allow it to be. unlimited depth. limitless beauty. dance. understanding. release.

the vast majority of humans, once they leave childhood behind, settle into a life of suffering, to a greater or lesser extent. Memories, fears, complexes, rejections, frustration, decadence, depression. the only way out of that misery is to wake up, and hardly anyone is awake. if you wake up, you settle in the now, and joy arises. The issue now is to wake up deeper, to erase more of the disease that being human means.

I understand this story perfectly. awakening is opening yourself without reservation. 5meo promotes it hugely, but in my case, sometimes I refuse to do it, that's all. then you have the absence of cerebral activity and no opening, with which the experience becomes absolute closed, a black hole. Good thing I've been able to open myself completely 4 times and this doesn't scare me. It is a perfect exercise to see where your resistance is. sleep is resistance, awakening is total openness. I am looking for the total opening of 5 meo sober. why not? everything is possible, I'll keep working on it, I'm just taking the first steps

@Someone here Suffering is overrated, if you have to suffer, you suffer and that's it. If you expose yourself to suffering, you can endure much more than you imagine without much problem. what is difficult to bear is not being awake. It's not horrible, but it's sad, depressing. that is true suffering, because it lasts a lifetime

I suppose that human nature is built in such a way that at the first pinprick he goes from enlightened to deep asleep dreaming a nightmare, but theoretically, the other case could be the possible

@Someone here Well, neo's story is just a story, since he is not the creator of the matrix, it is something alien to him. reality is not like that. you are the neo experience in matrix, that is, neo and matrix, since both are imaginary, but the consciousness of it is not imaginary. You are the limitless reality that is creating that movie. infinity expressing itself. but it's you, that's the thing.

Just theoretically, there could be someone who is fully awake 24/7 and who doesn't care if he's tortured with hot irons or bathing in the Caribbean

Well, from what I have experienced is an energetic issue. you are built as an energetic pattern that processes reality in a certain way. it is not enough to deconstruct beliefs, this paves the way, but nothing more. a good analogy is the movie matrix. Neo knows that he is in the matrix and that it is all an illusion, but when Agent Smith beats him up, he hurts and fears him. Matrix construction is like this. you take a psychedelic and with luck, it happens to you like neo, you see that Smith is code, he can't do anything to you. In the case of real awakening, you don't see codes, you see that reality is infinite and that you are, and not just that, you see that you are everything, absolute freedom. You see how you are creating this current experience right now. but be careful, it can happen to you as it happens to me many times, reality breaks down and only a dead void remains. what you are is a mystery, you are absolute existence. You cannot understand this with your mind, it has to manifest itself. You can do things to promote this manifestation, like take 5meo, but it doesn't have to happen. when it happens, it's obvious, but it's nothing you can rationalize. can you rationalize that you are the total existence that has not been originated? it does not make any sense.

In some degree, yes , but total awakening it is a state radically different from the normal state we are in. it requires the violence of psychedelics, which block areas of your brain and enhance others and magic... you realize the obvious. btw i just had a very hard experience with it, its a very complicated thing, mastering it is an art. do not confuse awakening with softening your ego, accepting reality and assuming stories of god and love think that you are built as a blocker, to be able to have this experience. reversing your build is not a game

Well, it happened because I'm a bitch, i did and absolute and awakening but so subtle, so short. I put another 5meo in the pipe without measuring, to rape, to force, and...a slap in my face. Thanks! Make Love not war