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@zazen what would happen according you is Palestine totally stops the fight?

They aren't resentful of what was done to them, but of being Jews in Palestine. The Tutsis are less resentful of the Hutus than the Palestinians with the Jews, and this was a real genocide. They are coexisting and improving Ruanda now. Crimea was populated by Tatars for centuries; Stalin deported them, then they returned, and now they're there as a minority, and they're not immolating themselves every two days. The Sahrawis feel oppressed by Morocco, and they're not stabbing Moroccans as their primary goal in life The Chechens were crushed by Putin, and they haven't spent 100 years educating their 3-year-olds to commit suicide. In fact they are Putin's friends now. This is a purely religious conflict, and if you don't see it, you're blind, with all your tons of information. Why turkey or Iran and so concerned by Israel? Why they are not concerned about the tartars in Crimea, or Chechenia, or about the Sahara?

The Palestinians were subject to the Ottoman Empire from 1500 and organized resistance didn't exist . Afterwards, they were subject to the British, and it seems they didn't mind that too much either. All their protests were against the Jews. Seems that they are used to capitulate to the powerful, if it is not Jew Before the ottoman were submitted to the Mamluks, before that the European Crusaders, before that the Islamic caliphates, before that the Byzantines, before that Rome, before Greeks and Persia. Seems that they should be used to the situation

Yes, free in the paradise.

@Raze what can I do if Chatgpt say this to me? Seems clear The Outbreak of Violence (December 1947 – May 1948) Immediately after the UN vote, Palestinian Arab militias began attacks against isolated Jewish communities, roads, markets, and mixed neighborhoods. Jewish forces (Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi) responded militarily. It was an intercommunal civil war, as the British withdrew. 👉 During those months, the Arab-Palestinian exodus began: Many fled the battlefront, others were expelled from strategic areas (such as Lydda or Ramle), and some Arab leaders called on the civilian population to temporarily evacuate to facilitate the entry of Arab armies. Therefore, the Nakba began before the war between the states. --- 🔹 3. The War between the States (May 1948–1949) On May 14, 1948, Israel was proclaimed. The following day, five Arab countries (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq) invaded the new state. During that war, the exodus expanded: a total of about 700,000 Palestinians left or were expelled. A question: why Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq invaded the new state? Would them invade also a Muslim new state, a Kurd one for example? Maybe the cause was religious?

You know that this was after a was declared by the Arabs, right? When you declare a war and you loose , then you shouldn't complain of the military conquest, that was precisely your goal

Seems that your AI forgot that the nakba was a consequence of the war declared to the Jews to expulse them. You can use the word colonialism if you want. We can also say we want to colonize Mars even though no one is there, but when we talk about colonialism, we're usually referring to the colonialism of great powers to dominate another country, not the colonialism of people who arrive to settle in a land.

🔹 1. What the Oslo Accords established Signed between Yitzhak Rabin (Israel) and Yasser Arafat (PLO) under U.S. mediation (Bill Clinton), the Oslo Accords (1993–1995) aimed to create a gradual path toward peace and a Palestinian state. They had three main pillars: Mutual recognition: The PLO recognized Israel’s right to exist. Israel recognized the PLO as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Progressive Palestinian autonomy: Israel would gradually withdraw from parts of Gaza and the West Bank. The territories would be divided into three zones: Area A: full Palestinian civil and security control. Area B: Palestinian civil control, joint Israeli security control. Area C: full Israeli control. Final-status negotiations within five years (by 1999): To decide issues such as borders, Jerusalem, refugees, and security. 🔹 2. Why Israel did not fully comply Ongoing terrorism (1994–2001): After Oslo, suicide bombings by Hamas and Islamic Jihad increased sharply. More Israelis were killed in terror attacks in the five years after Oslo than in the five years before. This made much of Israeli society lose trust in the Palestinian leadership’s intentions. Domestic political change: In 1995, Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist. In 1996, Netanyahu (Likud) came to power, opposed to Oslo’s approach. From then on, right-wing governments slowed or froze further withdrawals. Unresolved issues: Israel demanded full security guarantees before further concessions. The PLO failed to dismantle its armed factions. Key topics like Jerusalem and settlements were postponed indefinitely. 🔹 3. Why the Palestinians also failed to comply The PLO never formally recognized Israel as a Jewish state. Terrorist groups continued to operate —often tolerated or supported by the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority did not build democratic institutions; corruption and internal power struggles weakened it. 🔹 4. The outcome Between 1993 and 2000, there were economic improvements and some cooperation, but no political progress. In 2000, Arafat rejected the Camp David offer, which included a Palestinian state on about 92% of the West Bank and all of Gaza. Soon after, the Second Intifada broke out (2000–2005), killing more than 4,000 people. 🔹 5. Summary ActorWhat they failed to doReason IsraelComplete withdrawals, freeze settlementsTerrorism, political shifts, loss of trust Palestinian Authority (PLO)Stop terrorism, accept final peaceInternal divisions, Islamist pressure ResultCollapse of trust and of the peace process 💬 Conclusion: Israel partially complied (withdrawals from Gaza and Jericho, creation of the Palestinian Authority) but halted the process after waves of terrorism and political change. The PLO did not stop violence or build credible governance. Both sides broke the mutual trust that Oslo required —and the peace process collapsed.

@Raze 🔹 What is colonialism? Colonialism means that a foreign power (for example, Britain, France, or Spain) conquers, exploits, and governs another territory, usually for economic or strategic benefit to the colonizing country. Clear examples: The British Empire in India. The French Empire in Algeria. The Spanish Empire in the Americas. Common features: A metropolis (a center of power outside the territory). Economic exploitation of local resources. Political subordination of the local population. 🔹 The case of the Jews in Palestine The Jews who immigrated to Palestine between the late 19th century and 1948 did not represent any foreign empire. They were not conquering on behalf of a colonial power. They had no metropolis supporting or profiting from them. They came as a dispersed people (the Jewish diaspora) seeking to rebuild a national home after centuries of persecution. Moreover: They legally purchased large tracts of land from Arab and Ottoman landowners. They were farmers, artisans, and intellectuals who founded agricultural communities (kibbutzim), not extractive colonies. There was no external Jewish empire benefiting economically. 🔹 Why the term “colonialism” is used today The phrase “settler colonialism” is used today mainly as a political slogan, not as a historical description. Activists, especially from postcolonial or anti-imperialist movements, use it to equate the creation of Israel with European colonialism in Africa or the Americas. But the analogy breaks down because: There was no metropolis, no imperial conquest, and the Jewish people are native to that land, with an unbroken presence in Jerusalem, Safed, and Hebron for over 3,000 years. 🔹 Summary CriterionClassical colonialismJewish return to Israel Foreign metropolisYesNo Economic exploitationYesNo Displacement of native populationOftenPartly, only after modern wars Historical link to the landNoYes, millennia-old MotivationImperial expansionNational self-determination 💬 Conclusion: The process of populating Israel with Jews is not colonialism in any historical or political sense. It was a national movement of return, not an imperial conquest —a movement rooted in historical, cultural, and spiritual ties to the land.

So the Palestinians could legitimately fight for the return of the exiles or for a state, but their fight is for Israel's disappearance. It has always been this way since 1948. The moment they accept Israel's existence, and so do other Muslim countries, the door to negotiation will be open. For example the president of Indonesia

Chatgpt: 2. The violence began for political and religious reasons The conflict arose when Arab nationalist and Islamist leaders incited the population against the Jewish immigrants. They argued that the Jews wanted to "seize the land" and "desecrate Muslim holy sites." Tensions grew due to rumors, religious discourse, and fear of losing political power. The first attacks (Nebi Musa, 1920, Jaffa, 1921, Hebron, 1929) were massacres of defenseless Jews, not responses to any expulsions. --- 🔹 3. The Arab expulsions came later (1947–1949) During the Israeli War of Independence (1947–1949): Many Arabs fled out of fear or on the orders of their own leaders, and others were expelled by the Israeli army in combat zones after almost 30 years of previous violence against Jewish communities. Maybe because this attitude everything is difficult https://www.instagram.com/reel/DO95BHgAP1D/?igsh=MzdobjZ1Y2FiZzA5 Well, difficult....if I were israelí, for me would be clear what to do. Do my thing and forget the unbrained sheeps

People always say this about colonialism, when it's obvious that's not the case. Colonialism is when a foreign power invades and settles in foreign lands, as the English, Ottomans, Spanish, Mongols, Romans, etc. did, keeping the polis as its center. What happened in Israel was that there was massive immigration to a stateless land by a population originally from that land. It's a fact; you may like it or not, but you have to accept it because It's absolutely stupid to dedicate your life and the lives of your children to fighting against that fact. It shows that your life is so empty and stupid that you can't think of anything better. If you were a slave in Egypt, forced to drag stones with whips to build pyramids, or an African in Louisiana, it's understandable. But if you're a Palestinian who's horrified because there are desecrations on the Al-Aqsa esplanade and you offer your child as a martyr, you're simply mentally retarded. It's very difficult to communicate with mentally retarded people. You have to use a language they understand, a loud one.

This was my question: What was the first act of violence between Palestinians and Jews in Israel? This guy explain it better. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPYeh56Dem8/?igsh=MXUxN3VqNDN5c2x3cQ==

The first major act of violence between Palestinian Arabs and Jews in the Land of Israel (then Palestine under the British Mandate) took place in April 1920, in what became known as the Nebi Musa riots. Let me explain the context and the events clearly: 🔹 Background (1917–1920) In 1917, the Balfour Declaration issued by the British government promised support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. After the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, Palestine came under British administration. The Arab population (both Muslim and Christian) feared losing their land to the growing Jewish immigration and to Britain’s ambiguous promises. 🔹 Nebi Musa, April 1920 During the Muslim Nebi Musa festival (celebrated near Jerusalem), Arab nationalist leaders delivered inflammatory speeches against both Jews and the British. Crowds soon turned violent: Five Jews were killed and more than 200 wounded, Jewish quarters in Jerusalem’s Old City were looted, and dozens of shops and homes were destroyed. The British police reacted too late, and the violence lasted several days. 🔹 Consequences This was the first organized outbreak of Arab violence against the modern Jewish community. In response, Jews founded the Haganah, a self-defense militia that would later become the core of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). This event marked the formal beginning of the modern Arab–Israeli conflict, nearly three decades before the creation of the State of Israel in 1948. Later came other serious episodes: 1921, Jaffa: 47 Jews killed. 1929, Hebron: massacre of 67 Jews (the most brutal before 1948). 1936–1939: major Arab revolt against Jews and the British.

This one has a good approach too. The only solution are brave Palestinian like those https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKSVHu8s4eA/?igsh=MWF0eHZob2p1ZmtkbQ==

Sure, Look, I suppose you know perfectly well that Palestine declared war on Israel in 1948, and also that it began terrorism in 1918. The problem at that time was identity-based. Nationalism isn't an idiocy exclusive to Palestinians; look at what the Ukrainians have done for their nationalism. But there comes a time when we have to overcome this and be human. Enter the 21st century and leave the other centuries behind. This Palestinian has a good direction. The only possible https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLHXhVuBhn3/?igsh=MXFwMDhtYTZzZ3dpNw==

Palestinians living in Israel have the best living conditions in the entire Middle East, as they live in a free society where they have the opportunity to develop however they can and want. Palestinians living in Gaza or the West Bank have far superior living conditions than those in Syria, Iraq, Egypt or Yemen. If they wanted to, when Gaza was handed over to them, they could have done something constructive, demonstrated their strength as a society, and moved forward. What they did was launch rockets and blame Israel for everything, as always. If Israel didn't exist, Palestine would be a Syrian-style dictatorship, but much poorer. The only problem Palestine has with Israel is one of identity. It's an imaginary, religious problem, not a real, practical problem of oppression. @Raze Your AI can say whatever it want, but the important thing in life is freedom, the opportunities to develop as a human being, economic status translated into education, health, and work, security, and respect for human rights, not the nonsense of mosques and synagogues. Your Palestinians are a brunch of psychotics who educate 3-year-olds about self-immolation because the Al-Aqsa esplanade. People absolutely full of shit. Let's see if this event could get some common sense into them.

Perhaps four nukes would have been better, given what they did in Korea, China, and the Philippines. What the Palestinians should do is take advantage of the fact that they have a functioning state nearby where they can integrate and prosper. Become farmers with the latest advances in hydroponics, doctors, biologists, engineers, writers, influencers, and actors. Poets and musicians, not martyrs. They should say: How lucky to be associated with Israel and not Syria or Irak ! Let's learn cutting-edge technology. Let's teach children that self-immolation isn't fun; a postgraduate degree in mathematics is better. But of course, that needs some work. Immolation seems easier, and you go to paradise, that's much better than creating life and culture.

They were given Gaza, evicting thousands of Jewish settlers, and they elected Hamas, which is an oppressive regime that needs an enemy to sustain itself, just like Iran. Perhaps you think that if Israel disappears, Iran would become a democracy? The Islamists need someone to blame to impose their tyranny. If Israel leaves, they would blame Saudi Arabia or Switzerland.

All of that stuff that seems so dramatic to you is a luxury in 85% of the world. Take a trip to Africa, where countries that are at peace and more or less functioning had a life expectancy of 50 years 20 years ago and now 65, or to the depths of South America, Asia, India, Russia, the Persian Gulf. All of those people have lived in total misery and are now, little by little, reaching a standard of living that can be considered not absolute misery. It seems that, like an entropic effect, rich countries are losing some of their luxuries, but even so, life in the West today is paradise compared to life anywhere else in any other era.

Having near you a city of two million people with a huge population growth ruled by fanatic terrorists who teach children from the age of three that the highest value in life is to kill Jews and be martyrs ,financed with billions by countries that have your elimination in their program, is a threat. If it isn't for you, perhaps you should reconsider how impartial your analysis is. Seems that you only see what you want to see. I guess that in your opinion Israel should let gaza grows in population and hate indefinitely, but seems that some people thought that this was a bad idea for their survival . Maybe the Palestinian now have understood that the path of martyrdom is nonsense, and start the path of coexistence

Those people are not happy with Hamas https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPVtSDKjHpi/?igsh=MWF3MGpwd3RlbmV0eA==

By the way, it's very strange and comical that all Western media outlets accept Hamas's casualty figures as valid. The death toll is probably 20,000, more than half of whom are Hamas militants, that's the estimation of belfer center of Harvard But Europe loves Hamas. It wants Palestine to be free so it can be sodomized by Hamas, because there's nothing better than being oppressed by Islamist fanatics. Free Palestine means civil war , execution of all the collaborationist and sharia for everyone, plus hereditary dictatorship

They've destroyed 70% of the buildings, and 3% of the population has died(according Hamas). Why do people talk about extermination and genocide? It's hard to understand. It seems no one understands that Israel cannot tolerate a nation tied to its own, one that has as its essential identity the disappearance of Israel and brainwashes its children from kindergarten with ideas of martyrdom. That needs to be reset, and that's what's happening. It's increasingly clear that there's no hunger in Gaza, and that Israel downplays the death toll, but Europe is an emo continent with an IQ of 60, and it's impossible for them to understand anything beyond the fact that Voldemort is evil and Harry Potter is good.

This, as you know, is a lie. In 2002, the so-called Arab peace agreement was being negotiated, which included returning to the 1967 borders. A member of Hamas carried out the Passover massacre, making this negotiation impossible. Three years later, the population of Gaza elected Hamas, thereby implicitly approving of the attack and denying the possibility of a peace agreement, since their objective is the same as Hamas's: the total expulsion of the Jews.