Breakingthewall

@eTorro but if it was so hard, you didn't want it and you haven't any goal with it, why did you do it?

The point is that a human has a genetic structure that will create identity. It's like an embryo that, as soon as it receives the necessary stimulus, begins to develop. Without a real structure created by generations and the brutal imposition of reality, identity is organized around fluid values, and the fluid individual suffers from a default imbalance. They are constantly compensating for this, and that translates into anxiety as the basis of existence. This is a very complicated labyrinth, an enigma that the evolutionary force that is human life tries to solve. Life is always in movement, changing, finding new possibilities, and that's what we are.

It is not that identifying with the ego has become easier today. What has changed is the entire vector of human existence. For most of human history, individuals saw themselves as parts sustained by a higher structure: God, the nation, the family, an ideal, whatever it might be. The individual was a component within a greater whole, and the mind was largely shaped and constrained by shared dogmas. After industrial revolution little by little a profound shift took place. Individualism became the dominant cultural framework. Each person came to see themselves as the center of their own reality, and the purpose of life became the pursuit of the greatest possible well-being. The supreme value became living the best life possible. I am not arguing whether this change is good or bad. I am pointing out that it happened. And once it happened, the vector of existence changed. The individual now experiences themselves primarily as a receiver. They receive experiences, pleasure and pain, approval and rejection. What is positive is being valued by others, attaining status, being admired, having pleasurable experiences. What is negative is the opposite. Because the desired standards are rarely fully attained, the psyche tends to experience itself as fundamentally insufficient. It sees itself as a character that falls short of an ideal. Life gradually becomes an attempt to compensate for what feels shamefully inadequate and to move closer to that ideal. This is the soil in which neuroticism flourishes. This is the development of an individual who no longer feels supported by anything greater than themselves. In the absence of such support, they seek it in the gaze of others, who are themselves caught in exactly the same game. The result is a deep background anxiety, managed through a continuous cycle of consuming content, maintaining a social life, chasing relationships that often become frustrating, alcohol, and projecting fulfillment into the future. It seems that this way of living is just a transitional one. It is an intermediate phase leading toward another mode of existence. That is what we are exploring here (in spirituality in general). the individual that finds the support in itself, the absolute integrity that arises when the individual open itself to it's nature, that is inseparable of the reality itself. It's not solipsism but interconnection, absence of limits and constantly access to what is, to the unlimited being that everything is.

@eTorro I don't understand how you could have done all that work without a clear motivation, a goal in mind. From what you've said, you've done a serious purification work, which in my opinion is essential for having a life that isn't pure anxiety.

I've never thought of it as an identity behind the eyes, and I'd say most people don't either. Usually people think we don't want to be slaves or losers in the group, and how do we get money and women and don't get a cancer, things like that. You don't go through life thinking you're behind the eyes and then, upon reflection, realize you're nothing. All of that is just your own personal ideas. Enlightenment has nothing to do with that; it's about dissolving all barriers. Believing you're nothing is a barrier, or that there is no self. All of that is just spiritual ideas. Enlightenment is actual; it's the totality of being without any boundaries or limits. As the Hindus say, Sat Chit Ananda: the total, unlimited being that is aware of itself and it's total, absolute, then manifest as Ananda, perfect joy because nothing limits it

Ideas are not false; they are ideas, mental structures. They can define reality quite accurately, up to a point. Spiritual awakening is not about thinking that ideas are false (which would be another idea ), but about opening yourself to the reality of absolute being. To achieve this, you must dissolve all your limits, both energetic and conceptual, and at that level, you know absolutely nothing, what remains is the direct fact that reality is, but that is absolutely everything. It's unfathomable and implies everything, absolutely full. That's enlightenment, nothing else.

You don't need to deny that you're biological or that duality exists. Just don't focus on it. You don't walk down the street thinking, "I'm a biological being," do you? If your purpose is to break down barriers, you won't achieve it by telling yourself they're false, but by focusing on what is now, without definitions. You have to step out of the level of conceptual structure and get into the level of being without definition. Not easy because the structured level gives security to us, we are very addicted to it. If what you do is change "I am material" to "I am pure consciousness," you're still in the structured realm, only now you're thinking spiritual things. In the non structured level there aren't (as it's obvious) structures. Then any structure like, I'm god or consciousness or anything, is just an structure. I think it's quite simple

I wasn't introspective hecause there was a barrier I wasn't even aware of, a blocked area since adolescence that was necessary for being more or less functional. At a certain point, I decided to look inside, and I did so obsessively and full-time, 24/7, like everything else. I wasn't seeking enlightenment, but rather to break through the barrier. I started watching spiritual content, participating in this forum, and always, absolutely always, seemed to me that spiritual teachers had a fundamental flaw. I didn't know exactly what it was; it was intuitive. Now I understand it much better. I think therapy is necessary because people should do anything if they are in mental suffering. I guess it depends a lot of the real sincerity with oneself of the patient. Anyway, how could a therapist help you? I don't know. if you are sincere with yourself you don't need it, and if you aren't you will lie the therapist. And therapist have their own bias about everything. True, but if we are focused in this topic is annoying that people comes with lies, at least for me. Everytime I write here I try to be as clean of ego as I can, trying to go directly to the point, without the slightest lie. Sure some ego emanates and that's inevitable but the point is trying to refine. This topic is very slippery, it's a topic do define, full of mistakes. I really think that the future of humankind needs real spirituality. And the spirituality that have been formulated is full of mistakes. I did that because I was full of fear. The point is thinking that really, every moment is near death, you could have an stroke in 5 minutes or the doctor could tell you that you have a cancer in your brain next week. This is not a fantasy, it's absolutely real, death is one millimeter from us all time. As I was very anxious about death rock climbing was very attractive to me because I perceived it so scary, like impossible to do. same than real boxing, seems impossible to be in control in that situation, so I had to do, then gliding with delta wing, I saw it and I thought: no way, that's impossible, flying to 4k meters in the hard turbulences...then I had to do. Then sailing, alone in the middle of the ocean? No way. Then I got obsessive about it. Then I tried psychedelic, and the same, that's so challenging, terrifying, like see through this dimension, playing with madness, then I did thousand of times.... inevitable. Now I train boxing just because it's beautiful and good for the body but I never fight. Enjoying real combat to breaking bones is sick, egomaniac. Climbing walls in clean (not solo, clean means you have to put the things in the wall) is dangerous, same than gliding. Why to take that risk if you don't need to? That's unnecessary, just ego, stupid imo. Oceanic sailing is different because it's real contact with the sea and nature, that's beautiful and it's a business, if I can in the future I will do again And psychedelic, same. Not necessary, some low dose for pleasure but there is nothing in psychedelic, nothing to discover. Psychedelic don't "increase your level of consciousness", but breaking your defenses. If you can dissolve your defenses without them, then it's unnecessary and dangerous in exchange of nothing

Imo fundamentally wrong in his basis. In his opinion, there is an appearance of separation, and this separation forces us to frame the experience in terms of satisfaction or dissatisfaction. According to him, if the appearance of separation disappears, you realize that reality is nothingness then that dissatisfaction disappear. All of this involves changes in mental structure, in how we define reality. According to him, it is without separation, and nothingness, and that seems to make him happy. This is typical of non-duality. That's imposible because this definition is an arising in the reality, inside of the system, and this mean absolutely always separation. Reality is indefinable; it is not "nothing," or "God," or "love," or whatever; it is what it is, period. The only thing that can change is your vector: from receiver to expansion. The receiver receives the experience and tries to obtain the best possible experience, and fears receiving bad things. Their entire approach is based on seeking the good, avoiding the bad. There is never enough of the good, and there is always a possibility that the bad will appear. Seeking and fear. From the expansive position, there is no difference or separation between you and reality, but that doesn't mean you should think your body is an illusion and that reality is nothingness. If you need that definition, it's because you're still in the receiver's position, receiving a definition of reality that reassures you. Now you believe it's nothingness, and your anxiety about the negative subsides. But the change hasn't happened. If the bubble vaporizes, the definition is zero. There's nothing to define; reality is, period.

@Zigzag Idiot i remember you like a evocation of another era😂

Being a rat (or a hamster) on the wheel is crazy. It's a state of stress and anxiety 24/7. But when you're in it, it seems normal. I don't mean about work, but the mental state of lack, disconnection, projections, constantly creating mental castles in the air, always dissatisfied, out of place, in the necessary imbalance that keeps the wheel turning, but balanced enough to make life bearable. A bit more of imbalance, and everything could fall .

Nobody can know nothing but that he is, but this is everything. One, two, gods, creations, that's meaningless. You are, that's everything. That's not a thought, it's the very fact of being now. It's unfathomable, alive and full. Knowing that only you are is structure. Being is a fact.

That sounds very Spiritual, but undifferentiated consciousness is unconsciousness. Consciousness is not "pure" something, it's awareness, and for awareness you need duality and change.

Agree, much better don't hate, I don't hate anyone, but this is because we live in modern civilization, not because hate is a mistake. If I would be enslaved like the Africans in America I would hate the people that force me to work with whips, rape my sister and sells my baby at a market. that normal right?

You should try this equation: multiply how many times someone say the word "love" for "I want to appear spiritual and enlightened" and the result is how narcissist is that person. The result is always infinite. Infinite love, as baby Jesus sending you to hell if you touch your penis, because he loves you.

You don't hate people because they are "bad", but because they are an obstacle, a threat, an enemy. Same than you hate a plague and you put all your effort to eliminate it, you hate your enemy. "Hate" is the energy focused in destruction. You want the destruction of the plague, because it's dangerous for you, same you want the destruction of your enemy. Love is the energy focused in construction. You love your human net, your friends, family, your country, the human race, the world, because they help you to live, they give you life and you give them life, that's love. But you don't love the cancer cells or those guys who gang raped your girlfriend, you hate them, you want their destruction.

The self is always being experienced. Now I'm experiencing it, it's the fact of knowing that I am. This fact can take many forms, but always is the same. When it's empty of form, it's open, and it's manifestation is what advaita calls sat chit Ananda. The pure consciousness of being that is absolute joy because nothing limits it. But the self is always realtive. I am. I/am. Without I, there is no self, self needs two. Even they are one, they appear as two.

Then you could try if you want. The self is an interesting topic

I understood that you imply that you had that realization and me not. We already know that dynamic here is this forum right? Spiritual narcissism. If I misunderstood, sorry

We were having a conversation and then you told me: you can't understand it if you are not awake. Just trying to explain that this is not the way to having a conversation about this topic. Anyway, a pleasure (until the wild card)

Thanks you very much, but as it's clear I'm not in your level i need some detailed explanation. This one: "the self is absolute" deserves being written in stone, I agree, but some of us need special teaching What I was trying is to define self. I'm not an Avatar as people here, then I see it ambiguous, but ok, "the self is absolute". Learned.

That sounds condescending. Better explain, even you are talking with someone inferior in knowledge, saying that quote "the self is absolute", and nothing else is useless. It's clear that you are speaking with someone who is not in your level. Anyway, even in my narrow mind real understanding is impossible, just try.

Then according to you the reality is a designed game?

That's true. When you say, "We're leaving tomorrow," you're no longer a human with preferences; you're an arrow pointing in one direction. There's no room for anything else, which is why I say it's meditative. You can't think, "Well, let's see when this ends, I hope it's pleasant." You only think about the boat, the wind, and the sea, as if you were a robot. If you have to go out at 4 a.m. to the bow of the boat with a headlight and spend hours unhooking a rope while freezing water pours down on you and the wind is brutal, you do it without thinking about anything, only about how to do it, about what needs fixing. It's inevitable, it's going to be fixed. Your will is a laser; there's only your will and that thing that fails. Anything can happen every second, for days. It's like being in another dimension. But it's very different totally alone than with a friend, even the friend doesn't help the difference is huge, even if in days you talk 2 minutes per day, you are sharing. Alone the first 3 days are horrible, it's the worse place where you want to stay, then little by little you get used but if you sleep 3h per day it's a great sleep, once I ve been 3 days sleeping zero, in some moment get dangerous, you can't handle things, and accident is very possible. The feeling is that it's absolutely serious, and the nights are long, then the day comes and you feel it so wonderful. In some point you feel the sea as a continuity of yourself, the boat as your body, if any subtle change happens you perceive at the moment, then you must know what have happened. Many big problems happen, it's absolutely essential to have clean perception of everything all time. Nobody can help you there, there is no internet, you are alone so there is no choice, that makes you sharp. Its beautiful, some moments are absolutely wonderful, your soul opens up. Then other moments you feel absolutely miserable, wet, frozen, but there is zero complain, you are not someone who can complain, just a cog in a system that is running. Then you arrive to destiny leave the boat in a marina, do the passport or anything and go walking in the city and everything seems a dream, irreal ,another reality Once I had small experience and I just started with a girlfriend, and we went from canary islands to south Spain in a wooden boat with the mast of wood, built in 1950, without communication with exterior , no meteo info, in middle of November against the wind with that boat that lick water everywhere, everything grey, like a dream, 12 days. I thought: she's so strong. Maybe she thought it was a movie 😅 the reality was that was a total madness

Nobody knows the structure of reality. Maybe there are other dimensions, conscious reincarnation, maybe no. I have the feeling that what I do in this life have an reverberation, and what I have to do is being absolutely aligned with my nature, totally integral. I feel this game as a serious one, with serious consequences. But maybe I'm absolutely wrong.