Breakingthewall

Maybe you are right, with 5meo, LSD, mushrooms, weed and DMT should be enough ?

Not in my opinion. If you have broken the ice of the surface it is obvious. Basic awakening for me is realizing the infinite and what the limited appearance is. the infinite absolute fills you with joy, you realize that you are that and that it is impossible for it to be anything else. the finite are perfectly arranged boundaries that create an appearance. How many people have really, truly, opened up to this? This will make you laugh out loud for a while, with pure joy. all your repressed energy will be released. but is this realizing god? No. do you realize the will and intelligence? really, without conceptualizing. everyone lies here! Or it seems so Maybe basic awakening is the most important, but still, we aren't not totally awake to what we are, just the first glimpse

@Water by the River Exactly. the need of the other is enormous, every word that you articulate in your mind comes from the other. Without the other, you would be silent. are you? maybe you are. From what I read, you have great experience in spiritual work. complete dedication, like a monk? how, when, why? anyway the need of the other goes by degrees. In the maximum and sick degree, you take your self-esteem from the (imaginary) opinion of others towards you. In the healthiest degrees, you need others for the flow of love, mutual support, trust, give, between you and them. in both cases absolute solitude is the desert, the death of the soul. We have to be capable of absolute solitude, your mind in total silence, 40 days in the desert, in total silence, flowing, open. without that, all that we think about awakening is deceit imo , if you are still addicted to the others(I'm quite far from that but that's the goal). here we are communicating right? to learn or out of necessity? In my case it's clear: addiction, even it's useful and necessary for now. The first step to overcome an addiction is to admit it

Yes of course, but do you have a real opening to reality now? Are you not a prisoner in your mind? really? that is the aim of this work, of course, but there are many pitfalls, the ego mind is powerful. Haha god is capable even you shit yourself. How was the experience? So you went to a clinic and they gave you a couple of lines of ketamine? You mentioned an infusion, how's that? Id like to try

@Water by the River Interesting dream, after psychedelic maybe? But for me the hard thing is not letting go of this life and die I think, because until it happens, you are here. The difficult is letting go the need of the other people now, when alive. the need for other people is extremely deep. Other people are the illusion. They are in our mind , at least in mine, all time. The others are the big wall, the jail

@Yimpa But even harder than letting go of what you hate is letting go of what you need.

we will see. It is an absolutely blind path, it is immersing yourself in existence without any handles. without any goal except to dissolve into oneself. To let go everything is very difficult and scary, maybe impossible. But don't ot let go, is a jail.

Yes, absolutely, It is very difficult to see the love in what you hate. And if you don't, you're always divided. Extremely difficult to detach yourself of the preference

Yeah, but imagine that you blink, and when you open your eyes you are a black hole floating in the center of the galaxy. or a god creator of universes. Of the infinite void . You have to be extremely detached to no pee your pants on the enormity of the matter

@Yimpa Me neither, im starting to see a bit. may be you are and im wrong, but id say that the thing is much more deep than it seems. It is one thing to realize the infinite, the absolute that we are, but God, the infinite will, the intelligence is another.

Although you have not asked me, I will tell you what I see. the separation, the duality, is created by the need to survive. that is to say, it seems that there are external agents that threaten and that promote your survival. if you are a rat everything is simple: chase the cheese, run away from the cats. if you're a human...it's not simple. your survival is totally given by the group. you are not an individual, you are part of the hive. The maximum threat is: to be rejected. if they expel you from the tribe, terror, hunger and death. the way to give cohesion to that hive is language. language is powerful, it communicates acceptance or rejection, life or death. Language, the messenger of survival, creates duality, the barrier between what you consider to be you and what is outside of you. you don't have to be talked to all the time, soon in your life you learn to talk to yourself. each word is a symbol, an image that says life or death in its millions of nuances. the constant mental flow creates a bubble that encapsulates your being, keeps you isolated within. you can't stop it because you are survival software in action. what you can do is understand it. then, it becomes transparent. You see through the capsule.

@trenton Welcome to the fascinating world of psychedelics, which will open your being like a watermelon, bring the inside out and grease the rusty gears until everything works like superconductors spinning frictionlessly in the cosmos. they will break the bubble created by constant mental flow and equalize the self with the non-self. you will see when you try the mushrooms, the lsd, the 5meo dmt, the 5meo malt. They will open an infinite hole in the middle of your being and you will flow smoothly through life

Gamma frequencies are imaginary! No hehe I'm jocking . It is interesting to go deeper and know all this. An example, I just drove 5 hours to face a business mess and 80% of the way has been joy and openness. This 1 year ago would have been rumination and stress. It is not meditation that has led me to this but observation and deconstruction and psychedelics, which have made it possible to break the wall/shield of the mental stream and open myself to myself. I have meditated hours a day for the last two years, but this has only been preparation. btw, 2 days ago I knew a guy who lives 5 minutes from my house who makes a changa transparent like crystal, I never tried changa. this, added to the information you have shared about dmt, opens up a new path of experimentation for me. Let's see where it leads

@Yimpa that was not what he was asking. let's see, point 1, you are not realized of god. That you have accessed non-dual states by ketamine and have assimilated Leo's teachings does not mean that you have realized God. don't feel bad about it. realizing god is a mystical experience of the highest level. It is not mandatory to have reached that, nobody is going to give you a diploma or something like that. Point 2. Being convinced that you have reached the bottom of spirituality makes you and someone else here enlightened evangelical church-type preachers. This will prevent you from going deeper. the spiritual ego of some surpasses the imaginable. there is no club to access. humility is the key! You are on the beggining! It's great, you are going to deepen a lot, but stop pretending that you know everything, it's false and a mistake, you are fooling yourself

What would you say that God is? God implies creation, right? I wouldn't call simply being infinite "god". imagine infinity being without creating anything, no duality, no appearance. would that be god? or simply "existence" Ah, i already know that everything is one, the same, etc, but we are using different words like illusion, absolute, etc, to describe different states of being. So it's god another state?

Very interesting. I have to investigate this thoroughly

Well, it seems to be a separate self, and it seems.to be a duality, which for practical purposes can be translated as if there is duality. reality is constituted in such a way that if you are locked in a cage with a hungry leopard, you will create a very convincing duality between you and the leopard. Ultimately it is unreal, but when the leopard shows its teeth, it will be real. we have to work understanding the mechanisms of this duality and giving it the respect it deserves, not denying it

Ahh ok, ok Agree. I guess it's possible. I can't affirm it because until very recently I have not been able to really break the superficial layer and open myself to reality, and this is not something constant. Interesting

I never mentioned psychosis or depression, have a fairly solid mind, but I don't agree with that idea that before starting to delve into spirituality you have to be relatively successful. Obviously, I try my best to be successful relative and the cards I've been dealt aren't bad. a very dysfunctional family history but I realized it quickly, and from very early on I started working on it, but imagine that I am chronically ill, a slave on a cotton plantation or a homosexual in Iran. Would spirituality be banned for me? I don't think so. Real spirituality is trascendence. and another thing in which I think you are wrong is to think that if there is suffering you are not on the right path. there will always be suffering as long as you are human. Eastern spirituality teaches acceptance and fatalism, but that is just acceptance and fatalism. emptying the mind is nothing more than emptying the mind. True spirituality is opening yourself to the infinite. infinity is absolute joy to exist, but the moment you close yourself to infinity for a while, you will suffer, and you can't be open full time. If your business goes bad, you will suffer, if they tell you that you have cancer, you are sentenced to life imprisonment, etc., you will suffer. and? It's just suffering, part of life What I completely agree with is the tendency here to preach when you haven't scratched the surface yet, but if you haven't scratched the surface, you don't know you're on the surface.

@Razard86 yes, i know limited experience is the absolute seeming limited, there is only one thing, infinity, but i am trying to understand the structure of reality. I understand what the infinite is, the absence of limits, then the limits are imaginary. and create the apparent. the apparent and the infinite are equal in existence, both are you, everything is one, but the infinite creates finite appearances. How? with will and intelligence, and this we call god. it is important to stop thinking that one is god realized. It's not like that, I don't think even leo is. Note that now he talks about God Realization not being complete, aliens, etc. Do not fall into error number 1: I understand everything. this is a mirage. we don't understand, believe me. You mentioned 5 meo , it makes you break the limits, realize the infinity. It's great but this doesn't make you to understand what is the structure of the reality in order to understand the appearance.

I'm probably wrong, but I would say that god is limited. the infinite absolute is selfless, and therefore, it is simply infinite and absolute, without cosmos or histories. God is the will and intelligence that create themselves from a preference: exploration, the search for the deepest love. a meaningless search since the absolute infinity is already that, but equally that will arises and creates the limited experience. everything is ultimately one, but just as god is one level above limited experience, absolute infinity is one level above god, which is imaginary, since it is limited. he imagines himself limiting infinity in order to have positive qualities like infinite intelligence and will, which do not include infinite stupidity and laziness

Yes, but there is a will that wants things be exactly as they are. to deepen in love, for whatever. there is an intention, a will that manipulates the infinite and creates the apparent. How can this be selfless? If god were selfless, the only thing there would be is infinity without form existing

enlightenment, or awakening, is realizing what reality is. when it is said: no one is awake here, it is the truth, no one here has really fully realized what reality is. but we all tend to confuse learned wisdom with understanding, and to think that by a few interesting insights we have gotten to the bottom of everything. This is a problem because it prevents us from really advancing in something possible and real. here and now reality is, and you, and me, are that. we are veiled, blind to almost everything, and the work is to lift the veils and see directly and cleanly, without contaminating ideas, neither from Buddha nor from Leo or from anyone else. humility is important, and the realization that only you can open your eyes and see And, If you think that reality cannot be understood, you are wrong. reality is you, and you can fully understand yourself. As soon as you really realize infinity, you will see that you can realize everything. You just have to break the first barrier, the ice crust of the lake, and start diving. the depth is infinite, but you don't need to dive infinitely to understand its structure

I now understand much better what is absolute and what is relative and I agree with you in several of the things you said in our last conversation. The absolute is beyond the relative. really, there is only the absolute, but the relative veils it. The thing is to understand how this happens. the absolute is simply infinity. it's unimaginable, and I wouldn't call it experience, perhaps it's beyond experience, although I'm not sure about that. what is obvious is what the relative is: it is the absolute, hiding everything except exactly what is necessary for the relative experience to take place. obviously there are not two, since if there were, the absolute would not be absolute. there is one, the absolute, which is this, now, hiding its infinity. understanding how this happens is the next step

Do you understand what the form is? the form is the energy that excludes everything that is not the form. if you stop doing that, you become infinite, formless. that energy is egoism. nobody talks about rejecting the form, only about understanding it.