Breakingthewall

Well, maybe not the extermination as a race, just its disappearance as a state and its expulsion from the territory. Palestinians will not settle for less. When terrorism began, in 1920, there was not a territorial problem, but one of identity, religious. The 6-day war was not started over territory but over the founding of a state. An attempt was made to prevent it, but it was not possible, and we must assume and accept it. It is something that has happened, you have to live with it. Looking back eternally and feeding hatred is sick. The solution that is the Israeli expulsion is impossible and the apocalypse. but the Palestinians prefer that to accepting and looking for solutions and looking forward. It's a behavior against life, childish, immature, just for proud. Like: I prefer that all my kids die but save my imaginary proud

Your vision is that of the Arabs. you only see one side. What would be your reaction if you were systematically attacked with the intention of extermination for 100 years, including two attempted invasions by coalitions of countries much larger than yours. You can't relax, they want to kill you. If you want to survive you must control the situation. If you are benevolent to those who want your extermination, they will take advantage of that. They are not going to accept nice gestures, only your disappearance. Put yourself in that situation, what would you do? think about it honestly. Probably be much more hard

Totally agree, But we have to understand that the human being is extremely vulnerable and stupid and is not capable of being a free individual, he never has been, he needs group identity for his balance. Only today is a current of freedom emerging, but let's not fool ourselves, it is a minority and fragile. It is intelligence vs. stupidity, enlightenment vs. darkness, freedom vs. slavery. It's good to be aware of it.

Because there is a threat, but you are right in the sense that not all responsibility is Palestinian. The problem here is what has led human beings to war since they existed: identity as a group versus another group. Both have it, the Muslims with their hooded women, and the Jews who have survived as a group 2000 years without land, with it's orthodox fundamentalists . two group identities close together, the result is war. It doesn't matter what the cause is, there are a thousand possible sparks to light the flame, some will always occur. The thing is that seen from the outside it seems that the Israelis have a less closed identity, and it's getting more close and hard due the aggressive behavior of the Muslims, but perhaps this is an error of appreciation due to ignorance of what the situation is like seen from the inside. But it seems logical that the fact that all your neighbors hate you and want your extermination strengthens your identity as a group.

Because who wants to understand is the ego. Understanding is imaginary since the ego is an imaginary construction. Whether the ego understands more or less is irrelevant since it cannot have infinite understanding. any level of understanding that is not infinite is zero compared to infinity. There are only two levels of understanding, finite or infinite. finite is the same as nothing, since finite is illusion. The only function of understanding is to be able to free yourself from the mental capsule. Total openness is total understanding, since there is nothing to understand, it is in totality. Being is understanding and it's empty of content. That seems very disappointing for the ego, that always want more. Well, you can satisfy the ego if you want and explore, but first you should to understand what understanding is, what the self is, and what total openess is. For example, how can you understand that you are alone in existence? The only way is to compare it to not being alone. If there is no structure, you are not alone, that concept does not exist, so there is no understanding of being alone, just existence

Yeah sure, This is the history of humanity, full of movement and turbulence. now what to do? complain for the next 10 thousand years?

Saying that Israel wants a genocide is nonsense. Israel now has the duty to destroy Hamas, its survival is at stake, what has happened cannot be allowed. how to do it? It is extremely difficult. Entering the city with infantry and fighting a guerrilla battle with civilians living there would be a massacre of Israeli soldiers and Palestinian civilians. Doing this would be totally stupid because there is another option: empty Gaza, advance and destroy the buildings where there is resistance, minimizing the Israeli deaths, then place the entire population of Gaza in a concentration camp, identify the suspects (many thousands) and enjail them, then help the survivors rebuild Gaza. all of this an enormous task, being observed by the world

If the Pestinians were fighting for a two-state solution and peaceful coexistence and Israel refused again and again, all the blame would be on Israel, but if their only ambition is the disappearance of Israel and the expulsion of the Jews, then they are they responsible. You have to be realistic, you can't make Israel disappear, so why keep trying? to reach destruction? it's stupid

This war really seems like an agreement reached by Hamas, Israel, Iran, and the United States sitting at a table as friends. It's as strange as possible.

very interesting. For them the most important thing is identity. more than life. If they lose the land they lose their identity as a nation, and they cannot get rid of that, they prefer the destruction of their lives and those of their children. Without identity there is no life, it is the collective ego in action, pushing for war, as so many times before. I thought it was about Islam, wrong, it's about identity. Like all the wars.

All of them seems very nice people, but all think that they don't want to share the land, the only solution is the disappearance of Israel, out of pride. This is going to lead them to the apocalypse. But they don't care because they think that this way they will have a better life after this, since this way they fulfill their religious duty. the solution is impossible

A pleasure to read your post. I'll tell you what I think, in case it could helps you: all awakenings that make you know something, like that you are alone or that you are god, are relative awakenings. In fact, all awakenings are relative, since in them the self is understanding something. there is structure and mind, something in relation with something else. It's interesting to know those things but they don't really mean anything. What you are really looking for is total openness to the now, beyond any structure, where "I am alone" means the same as "others exist": nothing. Think about who wants to understand reality. It is the self. Reality already understands everything, enough to create the infinite cycles of the cosmos. drop the self and total opening will occur, and it will happen sober.

You the Muslims always with your threats. I was asking for reasons, but it seems there aren't

I see, You are Muslim and it hurts you that your religion is analyzed. there is no hate, just cold analysis. Basic number one lie of the Quran: Muhammad was illiterate and the Quran is a direct channeling written by God. The Koran is literal because it is the word of God and cannot be interpreted, only obeyed. What I have written before is not hate, it is an analysis of why Islam is producing more and more fanatics. Just tell me: you are wrong, Islam is true because of this and this.

How the Sufis are Islamic? When I read them I can't understand, they seems heretic for be a Muslim. In fact, I believe that they were hidden heretics who could not openly manifest their heresy. Ibn Arabi said that all religions were equal, that is why it is prohibited in Iran.

I have been to Morocco, Mauritania and Turkey several times, half of my family come from Islamic religion, I have read the Koran, Rumi and Ibn Arabi, I consider the latter the most advanced mystic I know, but the essence of Islam is what it is, it is not spreading hatred, it is revealing the reality. Just tell me, where I'm wrong?

but the fundamental difference is that one is true and the other false. If you surrender your ego, as Christianity or Buddhism says, you will enter the kingdom of heaven or nirvana. On the other hand, if you beat your wife gently and treat your slaves well and do jihad, you will not enter paradise. It is a lie, to manipulate and make you obey. It is the religion of a demon. Simple and without any possible interpretation

@zazen There is another important difference between Islam and Christianity: Christianity is a religion of fakes, since it is practically impossible to be a good Christian, you should work for free in a leper colony and be a saint. The rich can't go to heaven, if they hit you, turn the other cheek, even don't have bad thoughts. All christians have a feeling of guilt, since it is impossible to fulfill your duty, that is what confession is for.... Buddhism the same, almost impossible be a Buddha, you can't go in that direction, but arrive is almost impossible. On the other hand, Muslims can be good Muslims, a perfect one. it's easy: Ramadan, prayer, don't hit your wife too hard, etc. you must do the yihad, and can't deviate, there is no confession for Muslim, if you are a sinner, bad business, hell is waiting

That's why in Christianity is said: To God what is God's, to Caesar what is Caesar's. Christianity is a religion, not a political system. It has been a state religion for centuries, but that is not its essence. The essence of Islam is to be a state religion. Islam cannot be interpreted, it is literal, and it is created to be applied as a legal system. Not doing so is going against Islam, that's why fundamentalists really are the true Muslims, and most Muslims understand it.

@zazen Good and deep reflection, but what points do you find in Islam? Don't treat your slaves badly? In war does he kill the minimum? It is a code of conduct that is advanced for its time, but it is not timeless. Christianity and Buddhism are, Islam is obsolete

In poor countries the family is your wealth. Having many children makes you more... simply, more. If you travel through Africa, everyone will ask you: how many children do you have? If you say that no one will look at you with pity, and at a woman over 25 years old, as if her life were a misfortune. children are everything

@zazen By the way, I would really like to stop having that negative perspective towards Muslims, since they are a billion humans, it is something that poisons. I would like to see how in Islamic countries there is a movement of freedom, like the protests in Iran against the veil, or like in Tunisia where there is a secular government (not sure if yet). that Muslims open themselves to life, to evolution, creativity, freedom. It is a difficult path, we Westerners are crazy, sad, without foundation, but we move forward without fear

That's true, the thing is that Christians have evolved in one direction and Muslims in another. Comparing Hamas to Nazis makes no sense. They are both an aberration, the same as Slobodan Milosevic and many others. Christians have been extremely cruel, probably more so than Muslims. My criticism of Islam is not that, it is that Christianity is against war, while Islam as a religion promotes war. Later, Christians have massacred in the name of their religion, like stupid humans, but the Christian religion is about forgiveness, turning the other cheek and peace, while Islam is about jihad, submission of women and slavery. What I wonder is what destination can a path that begins with those bases reach?

. The Jews have enormous patience. The Palestinians have had the intention of exterminating them since 1920. They have been attacked with that intention by alliances of several countries. The Palestinians refuse to live together and persist in hatred, since they are close to a stronger civilization and do not want to be absorbed by it or live with it. Under any circumstances they would be exterminated, but this is not possible today, so the Jews must live with a neighbor who wishes their death and raises their children in hatred. Not confortable Imagine that Native Americans raise their children in hatred and terrorism. America belongs to them, right?

Anyway, everything about the Jews is extremely biblical. rave of infinite freedom, incredible. Now there are women living an unimaginable hell of multiple rapes and torture at the hands of Hamas. maximum level, worse than being crucified. Let's think in them deeply.